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Zeitgueist posted:I think that while police aren't literally members of the Klan these days http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/protests-explode-after-kkk-plot-kill-black-men-florida-prison-exposed
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So here's something actually nice. New Mexico (I know, right??) just unanimously passed a bill ending civil asset forfeiture. It's replaced with criminal asset forfeiture, which requires a conviction, so there do remain perverse incentives to arrest and prosecute people. Ideally I think there should be laws forbidding the proceeds of criminal asset forfeiture from profiting the agencies that determine who's a criminal. But this is certainly something.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 07:14 |
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http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2015/04/10/cottonwood-walmart-brawl-video/25598875/ And the amazing complete video of it: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=846207218749517 quote:
Can't really tell if this is white trash or police brutality.
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Vahakyla posted:http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2015/04/10/cottonwood-walmart-brawl-video/25598875/ This is loving hilarious up until someone gets shot to death. Like Reno 911 levels of buffoonery.
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Vahakyla posted:http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2015/04/10/cottonwood-walmart-brawl-video/25598875/ That is the least dignified death I've ever seen. Also, he was shot while grappling for the gun on top of the then already-shot cop so if there's a gently caress-up it'd be at the start. The Commencement of Battle: Accretionist fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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PostNouveau posted:This is loving hilarious up until someone gets shot to death. Like Reno 911 levels of buffoonery. So the guy actually had the cop's gun, was getting shots off left and right and hit an officer, and the cops still tried to take him down non-lethally until the end. Holy poo poo the brawlin' family look almost cro-magnon. http://verdenews.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&subsectionID=1190&articleID=65264 quote:Their father, Peter Gaver, 55, also requested a different judge "as a matter of right." pentyne fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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pentyne posted:So the guy actually had the cop's gun, was getting shots off left and right and hit an officer, and the cops still tried to take him down non-lethally until the end. It's like impossible to see what the gently caress is going on by that part of the video, but man, that melee when the cops show up. 3 vs. 5 with 2 noncops randomly going at it in the foreground.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 08:39 |
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Here's the whole family http://verdenews.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&subsectionID=1190&articleID=65055 quote:A family of nine, packed into a Chevrolet Suburban, was camping at the Cottonwood Walmart parking lot in the days before a deadly brawl with Cottonwood Police Saturday night.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 08:41 |
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Vahakyla posted:http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2015/04/10/cottonwood-walmart-brawl-video/25598875/ These guys (the not cops) are some of the dumbest people I have ever seen, I almost wonder if there's some mental health/development disability going on (which would make it sadder). I don't know what the gently caress they were thinking (I guess it was white privilege gone wrong). Sounds like someone in the group battered a walmart employee because they didn't want a female employee going into the same restroom as their mom? I have no doubt that these crazy fuckers could have grabbed the cop's gun. The police could have used better crowd control, but misdemeanor cites rarely go this crazy. It would be funny if no one what been shot.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 08:41 |
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On the 'give them all the death penalty' thing that came a little earlier in the thread: One of my friends is a UK policeman and he's a racist. He talks constantly about how Somalis cause all of his problems at work. He also seems to be becoming slightly unhinged. Last time we met there was a concerning moment where he went completely wild-eyed and announced “one day I'm just going to say gently caress it, ignore all the rules they put on me and do whatever I want”. I definitely wouldn't want to put a gun into his hands at work. I've also learned from talking to him that his job actually is one of the shittest jobs in the world - and that's here, in the UK, where things are bad but infinitely better than many cities in the US. He's been assaulted multiple times. He told me recently “don't ever get into a career. I hate mine so much but I've invested too much time in it and I can't get out”. A lot of police, even the racist, borderline unhinged ones, aren't actually power tripping hard nuts. They're people who genuinely hate their lovely lives to the point of distraction. They signed up for it, sure, but it's hard to sign off when you've learnt almost no skills in the process. A lot of policemen are deeply flawed, profoundly stupid individuals. But if you take profoundly stupid, flawed human beings, and put them in a series of extremely high stress situations, which due to socioeconomic stuff they obviously don't understand often happen to involve black men, it's not actually surprising that they end up becoming unhinged racists. That's what was always going to happen. They didn't choose to be stupid people who jump to conclusions, but we did choose as a society to employ them as police and put them in violent, racially charged situations without any real education on how those came about. The result is obvious. Human evil has nothing to do with it, and talk of the death penalty is retarded and barbaric, as it always is.
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lmaoboy1998 posted:On the 'give them all the death penalty' thing that came a little earlier in the thread: He should quit before he does something horrible. You can kill someone without a gun. Some people, hell, most people shouldn't be cops. Most cops shouldn't be cops. I know some "good" cops (who have called out lying cops), and they don't hate their jobs like that.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 08:51 |
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pentyne posted:So the guy actually had the cop's gun, was getting shots off left and right and hit an officer, and the cops still tried to take him down non-lethally until the end. Oh ho, no, you should watch the video. It's retarded as hell.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 08:52 |
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nm posted:He should quit before he does something horrible. You can kill someone without a gun. Unfortunately it's an unsolvable problem as the work is low paid and always will be, meaning the best and brightest aren't going to flock to be cops. He'll quit and some other slightly thuggish young man will replace him and get equally angry at having to spend his New Years Eve disarming mentally ill Somalis. The circle of life. The only thing you can do is improve training. Mandatory courses on socio-economic causes of crime, with an emphasis on the fact that this explains minority crime rates, for every police officer, with a test at the end. Might work, might not. Who the fark knows>
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 09:17 |
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Accretionist posted:
Look how tactically sound everything about that is.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 09:20 |
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loving South Carolina of all places: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150410/PC1603/150419942/1177 quote:COLUMBIA, S.C. — An eyewitness’s video of a white North Charleston officer fatally shooting a black man as he ran away could propel the South Carolina Legislature to pass a law calling for body cameras on law enforcement officers statewide. http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150410/PC16/150419860 quote:Several of South Carolina’s House members are discussing the idea of introducing legislation that would require the State Law Enforcement Division to investigate all officer-involved shootings, following the death of Walter Scott.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 09:49 |
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lmaoboy1998 posted:Unfortunately it's an unsolvable problem as the work is low paid and always will be, meaning the best and brightest aren't going to flock to be cops. He'll quit and some other slightly thuggish young man will replace him and get equally angry at having to spend his New Years Eve disarming mentally ill Somalis. The circle of life. Oh and they get like 3% at 50 pensions (which means if you start at 20, you can retire at 50 with 90% of salary)
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 09:53 |
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Yeah, there's huge variation. After 6 months, a Seattle cop's at ~$75,000. My Florida buddy's D&D group has a career cop making $26,000. There was actually an article about this following the flare up in St. Louis: Article: Police Pay Gap: Many of America's Finest Struggle on Poverty Wages From: NBC News Date: October 26, 2014 quote:In the aftermath of the police shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, last August, police officers from throughout St. Louis County were dispatched there to respond to mounting protests. Though the officers were doing the same jobs, they were paid starkly different wages, some as low as $10.50 an hour.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 10:24 |
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Sounds like their police unions should focus less on protecting bad cops and more on pay. While it should be noted that base pay is basically useless for calculating what cops make because of OT (note that a lot of OT in a good contract doesn't really require much work beyond 40hrs), but the idea of a cop making $11.18 is terrifying. That's the guy who couldn't get a job at loving costco.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 10:29 |
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Lol there is at least one city in South Carolina with cops that earn 9.50 an hour. They do pay for the academy, so many just ditch and run.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 10:31 |
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Vahakyla posted:Lol there is at least one city in South Carolina with cops that earn 9.50 an hour. Sweet Christ that was my starting salary at Dunkin' loving Donuts. Do they at least get benefits?
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Voyager I posted:Do they at least get benefits? A license to kill?
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 14:47 |
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Was a local town in this state paying $11 an hour for Sgt. with a few years experience and a masters degree. Even the wawa there paid more and had better benefits.
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I would unironically kill for $11 an hour, that's probably more than I will make starting off at DHR.
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Accretionist posted:Yeah, there's huge variation. After 6 months, a Seattle cop's at ~$75,000. My Florida buddy's D&D group has a career cop making $26,000. I also had a senior officer tell me that when he travels out of State he never discusses salary with other officers. Apparently it produces friction.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 16:51 |
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Sportsfans are good at making noise. Maybe this will do something. http://www.thenation.com/blog/203937/so-nypd-just-broke-nba-players-leg quote:So... the NYPD Just Broke an NBA Player’s Leg
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 17:01 |
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quote:"If they can shoot a white boy like a dog, imagine what we’ve been going through."
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 18:19 |
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Vahakyla posted:loving South Carolina of all places: You mean your regionalist otherizing stereotypes aren't necessarily correct? Quelle surprise. Anyway, glad Progressive Strongholds like Utah and South Carolina are leading the country in police accountability. Maybe one day backwards places like Massachusetts and New York City, will catch up.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 18:43 |
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Vahakyla posted:Lol there is at least one city in South Carolina with cops that earn 9.50 an hour. This is the sort of thing that organised statistics on police shootings would be useful for - comparing the amount a cop gets paid with likelihood to be involved in a shooting. Are there any statistics gathered on American police performance that isn't K/D ratio? GreyPowerVan posted:I would unironically kill for $11 an hour, that's probably more than I will make starting off at DHR. Would you prefer your victim to be fleeing, prone or armed with a wiffle bat? This is important.
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# ? Apr 11, 2015 20:55 |
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The mom of the crazy musicians was probably bathing in the sink of the bathroom (so they probably went ages between bathing and all stank to high heaven.)
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Murderion posted:This is the sort of thing that organised statistics on police shootings would be useful for - comparing the amount a cop gets paid with likelihood to be involved in a shooting. Are there any statistics gathered on American police performance that isn't K/D ratio? Prone is probably safest for me.
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# ? Apr 12, 2015 03:56 |
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Here's a story out of VA. A mentally ill woman was in a jail cell with her hands handcuffed behind her back, leg shackles, and a protective face mask, and was tasered to death because she refused to bend her knees to be put in a wheeled restraint chair. Such a completely unnecessary death. Police are investigating, no charges filed yet, etc.
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# ? Apr 12, 2015 05:23 |
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It's perfectly normal for them to taser someone who is already restrained!?! quote:Fairfax County Sheriff Stacey Kincaid declined to comment on the case but defended the use of a stun gun on a restrained prisoner, saying it was “a means that is often useful to ensure the safety of a person” rather than using physical force to gain compliance. She said stun guns were used “occasionally” on prisoners who are already restrained. I suppose it's slightly better than shooting to death someone already handcuffed? A setup in safety for everyone.
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Florida Betty posted:Here's a story out of VA. They aren't even necessarily malicious. There is just so much internalized "you will consent and bow to my authority" bullshit that they can't seem to help themselves. Should we step back and reevaluate the situation? Nah, let's just continue to escalate the situation and torture her to death.
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# ? Apr 12, 2015 16:49 |
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It's because police training lends to the idea of complete and utter control. Like they don't do what you want force them until they do no matter what.
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# ? Apr 12, 2015 16:54 |
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/video-shows-tulsa-man-shot-deputy-meant-stun-article-1.2181787 Grandpa meant to taze the subdued suspect, but shot him to death. Haha, ooooh grandpa you crazy old coot.
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Hollismason posted:It's because police training lends to the idea of complete and utter control. Like they don't do what you want force them until they do no matter what. I'd disagree with that. The last police involved shooting death we had here ( around two years ago) involved a domestic that went bad. Local units rolled up on an elderly male bleeding from lacerations to the face and torso. While trying to figure poo poo out his wife ran out of the house and attempted to stab him with a kitchen knife, all four police on scene shot the woman, a 72 year old grandmother of 6. I think possibly in that case it was less thug cops forcing control and more thug cops trying to stop a murder. YMMV though.
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Spacman posted:I'd disagree with that. You're not really disagreeing with what he said, though. Police culture seems to advocate escalating violence quickly to assert control. You're giving an example of police stopping an attempted murder by shooting a knife-wielding 72 year old. That seems like the exact situation that Tasers are good for.
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# ? Apr 12, 2015 17:42 |
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A lot of cops absolutely do have a "You WILL respect my authoritah!" attitude. That can't reasonably be debated. That doesn't mean every shooting is a result of that attitude.
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# ? Apr 12, 2015 17:44 |
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Yeah sometimes they're just racist and afraid of a black 10 year old boy
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# ? Apr 12, 2015 17:46 |
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Dr Pepper posted:Yeah sometimes they're just racist and afraid of a black 10 year old boy According to them he looked like an adult. They all look alike you see...
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