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XboxPants posted:It may not be fair, but I kind of don't care? You mention comparing the moon and the sun. If I want to sit outside and easily read a book, then it may not be fair to expect that much light from the moon, but it doesn't matter if it's fair. That's how much light I need to enjoy myself. Similarly, I want a show that's really entertaining. I'm not gonna sit and watch a low quality show and be happy just 'cause "hey, that's all the better they can do". Sure! But the two shows come from different places. The only thing they have in common is they're about street-level vigilante superheroes. If all you want is "realistic" and "dark" vigilante stuff, sure you'll like Daredevil more but then I would wonder how much realism and darkness you were really expecting from a CW show.
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Apr 11, 2015 23:35
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Yannick_B posted:Sure! But the two shows come from different places. The only thing they have in common is they're about street-level vigilante superheroes. If all you want is That's very true. Arrowverse is extremely silver age, which is not really what Daredevil was going for. ...for the most part.
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Apr 11, 2015 23:38
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XboxPants posted:It may not be fair, but I kind of don't care? You mention comparing the moon and the sun. If I want to sit outside and easily read a book, then it may not be fair to expect that much light from the moon, but it doesn't matter if it's fair. That's how much light I need to enjoy myself. Similarly, I want a show that's really entertaining. I'm not gonna sit and watch a low quality show and be happy just 'cause "hey, that's all the better they can do". Hey moonlight thread not to spoil your day (heh) but sunlight totally shits on moonlight. What the gently caress are you even doing here? If Arrow is a low quality show then what possible enjoyment do you get from reading a bunch of people talking about it? Daredevil has a big fat guy taking over the slums with an army of thugs and corrupt cops, Arrow has an earthquake machine. They are different styles completely.
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Apr 11, 2015 23:39
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He's not fat, he's just big-boned.
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Apr 11, 2015 23:40
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MrFlibble posted:Hey moonlight thread not to spoil your day (heh) but sunlight totally shits on moonlight. I'm here because I've been enjoying Arrow for a years, but I've been feeling for a while like the quality's been declining. It's not the Silver Age tone - I actually like the over-the-top stuff - but basic things like writing and acting and production quality. This decline felt especially stark when I watched a somewhat similar show that did those things better. So I thought I could discuss this issue with other fans of Arrow, and see what thoughts they had on the matter. Hope that helps give you an idea of my perspective and goals.
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Apr 11, 2015 23:52
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XboxPants posted:I'm here because I've been enjoying Arrow for a years, but I've been feeling for a while like the quality's been declining. It's not the Silver Age tone - I actually like the over-the-top stuff - but basic things like writing and acting and production quality. This decline felt especially stark when I watched a somewhat similar show that did those things better. So I thought I could discuss this issue with other fans of Arrow, and see what thoughts they had on the matter. It does! I agree, Arrow season 3 hasn't felt as good as season 2 - but I think mostly thats because the Flash has been doing the stuff I like about Arrow so much better than Arrow but Arrow hasn't really done anything to set itself apart other than more relationship poo poo and a slightly grittier tone than Flash (and Ras Al Ghul - having him about is insanely cool). But I still think Arrow is enjoyable and I enjoy it in a different way to how I enjoyed Daredevil. Your comparison about my comparison is flawed because we're not talking about wanting to read a book in both cases.
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Apr 12, 2015 00:00
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Arrow Season 3 has been a meandering clusterfuck full of halfbaked plots with a terrible set of flashbacks. The only really high note so far is Ollie getting cheststabbed by Ra's which they handwaved him surviving.
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Apr 12, 2015 00:18
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Don't turn this thread into Arrow vs Daredevil. Daredevil is clearly a better show in every way than Arrow or Flash but that doesn't make either of these shows less great, it makes Daredevil even more impressive. We're working with entirely different sets of rules for both shows and completely different approaches, budgets, and talent pools involved. So don't drag the thread down with that stuff. Keep the discussion on Arrow and not on Arrow vs Daredevil.
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Apr 12, 2015 00:25
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I'm just so loving elated at TV's current game of one-upmanship among comic book shows! No matter who wins...WE win!!!
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Apr 12, 2015 00:43
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Phylodox posted:I'm just so loving elated at TV's current game of one-upmanship among comic book shows! No matter who wins...WE win!!! Correct answer.
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Apr 12, 2015 01:04
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I'm only four episodes into Daredevil but so far it has 0 boxing glove-tipped arrows so I gotta give the edge to the CW here.
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Apr 12, 2015 04:01
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Phylodox posted:I'm just so loving elated at TV's current game of one-upmanship among comic book shows! No matter who wins...WE win!!! Yeah I'm sorry I started that whole thing, so I'm just gonna quote this because it's true. And then quietly hope for a Netflix Deathstroke spin-off
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Apr 12, 2015 04:04
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McSpanky posted:I'm only four episodes into Daredevil but so far it has 0 boxing glove-tipped arrows so I gotta give the edge to the CW here. Yeah, but Arrow took 52 episodes.
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Apr 12, 2015 04:05
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Phylodox posted:Yeah, but Arrow took 52 episodes. That's just going all-in on the comic reference.
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Apr 12, 2015 04:08
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Phylodox posted:Yeah, but Arrow took 52 episodes. Now you're going to make me go back and check if this is actually the case. 
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Apr 12, 2015 04:09
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WarLocke posted:Now you're going to make me go back and check if this is actually the case. I checked it on Wikipedia.
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Apr 12, 2015 04:14
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Aphrodite posted:That's just going all-in on the comic reference. lol
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Apr 12, 2015 04:14
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Phylodox posted:Yeah, but Arrow took 52 episodes. Oh my GOD.
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Apr 12, 2015 04:20
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In episode 616 Ollie is going to move into an apartment building and get a dog.
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Apr 12, 2015 04:48
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Aphrodite posted:In episode 616 Ollie is going to move into an apartment building and get a dog. You forgot about the pizza.
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Apr 12, 2015 04:50
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Deadpool posted:Don't turn this thread into Arrow vs Daredevil. Daredevil is clearly a better show in every way than Arrow or Flash but that doesn't make either of these shows less great, it makes Daredevil even more impressive. We're working with entirely different sets of rules for both shows and completely different approaches, budgets, and talent pools involved. So don't drag the thread down with that stuff. Keep the discussion on Arrow and not on Arrow vs Daredevil. But how does Daredevil compare against Agents of Shield? 
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Apr 12, 2015 05:37
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Daredevil does street crime really well but its obvious what makes it good would never be shown on the CW in the same way that they wouldn't be able to do it on AoS. Its definitely worth watching though if you liked Arrow and the Nolan Batman films. I think the best part about all these comic book shows is that they're definitely learning off each other and getting much, much better.
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Apr 12, 2015 06:41
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Yeah, I don't think you get Daredevil without Arrow paving the way. And there's still a lot of things about Arrow that I really do enjoy, even as this season continues to get more and more convoluted.
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Apr 12, 2015 09:17
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Phylodox posted:Yeah, but Arrow took 52 episodes. 
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Apr 12, 2015 14:07
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Narcissus1916 posted:Yeah, I don't think you get Daredevil without Arrow paving the way. And there's still a lot of things about Arrow that I really do enjoy, even as this season continues to get more and more convoluted. I agree with this assessment. Essentially Arrow said, look we can do this and have it be fun/thoughtful/comic booky and people will like it. It does feel like Arrow Season 3 has suffered from having one idea they wanted to go in but couldn't quite figure out how to get there and how to use their ancillary characters to move in that direction. Maybe they are suffering from a little roster bloat too. I actually think the Ras/Ollie thing is more interesting that Batman/Ras because at least Ollie is considering it and seeing how it could help people. The problem is that his usual moral centers haven't given the audience a reason to say this is why you are a hero and can be differen.. Bring on Socialist Oliver though.
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Apr 12, 2015 14:42
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Yeah that's been a big gripe of mine is when are we going to get the entire reason I like Green Arrow on the show, that he's a militant super liberal.
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Apr 12, 2015 15:11
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Deadpool posted:Don't turn this thread into Arrow vs Daredevil. Daredevil is clearly a better show in every way than Arrow or Flash but that doesn't make either of these shows less great, it makes Daredevil even more impressive. We're working with entirely different sets of rules for both shows and completely different approaches, budgets, and talent pools involved. So don't drag the thread down with that stuff. Keep the discussion on Arrow and not on Arrow vs Daredevil. The way I see it is Daredevil is what Arrow would have been if it had been on HBO. Also bring on Socialist Oliver.
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Apr 12, 2015 15:14
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Deadpool posted:Daredevil is clearly a better show in every way than Arrow or Flash. Hmm I dunno about that
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Apr 12, 2015 15:53
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The two shows really can't be compared like that. I'm sure even Gotham would be as good as or better than Daredevil if it was a Netflix show from the start.
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Apr 12, 2015 16:10
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And didn't have the Bat-embargo...
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Apr 12, 2015 16:15
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Gotta figure the daredevil budget is probably 3 times Arrows and with half the amount of episodes.
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Apr 12, 2015 16:49
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Also has Marvel shoving their full weighted support behind it. Instead of DC being a corporate bumbling idiot when it comes to this stuff.
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Apr 12, 2015 17:24
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Hollismason posted:Yeah that's been a big gripe of mine is when are we going to get the entire reason I like Green Arrow on the show, that he's a militant super liberal. I maintain he's getting more and more Ollie as time goes by. He started as "dark murder vigilante" and is now at "Okay this has all gone terribly wrong, I'm turning myself in for the good of everyone." If and when we get this Ra's plot wrapped up and he firmly tells the League of Assassins to go gently caress themselves, I'm hoping it leads to an epiphany and we can finally get socialist beard-wearing changes-costumes-in-his-Prius dates-Black-Canary Ollie. Also in the meantime, make Laurel figure out how to drive a bike. I mean, we're already on our way towards "master martial artist" thanks to Nyssa, we need to pick up the pace here.
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Apr 12, 2015 18:04
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There are references to 52 all over the place. The new channel they watch, the number listed on the wall of no lunch supermax. There are a bunch if you look.
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Apr 12, 2015 18:33
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WarLocke posted:Guys I'm not sure how I'm going to go back to Arrow after seeing Daredevil. I'll never see Roy's flips the same way again 
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Apr 12, 2015 19:08
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Krad posted:The two shows really can't be compared like that. I'm sure even Gotham would be as good as or better than Daredevil if it was a Netflix show from the start. I think Gotham was hosed from the get go.
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Apr 12, 2015 19:10
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Deakul posted:I think Gotham was hosed from the get go. Ra's Was Right.
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Apr 12, 2015 20:40
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http://dctvuniverse.com/2015/04/marc-guggenheim-teases-new-mystery-set-created-for-arrow-season-finale/ Maybe this is where their set budget went.
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