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fukken bars ahoy I don't see how this isn't where the tournament ends for Midoriya. I imagine he could *win* by causing Todoroki to stubbornly render himself unable to move by not using his fire side, or by ring out or clobbering him once but after loving his arms up so bad he's not going to be in any condition to fight even if Recovery Girl fixes him due to exhaustion. Also, I'd love to see him fight Iida but a rematch against Bakugou at this point...ehhhh, I don't see it happening. If he wins, he has to bow out...I guess beating Todoroki would be good enough for All Might's wishes?
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You don't see how the underdog protagonist of a shonen story could possibly win in a situation where it looks like he's on his last legs? Am I reading your post correctly? I just want to make sure I am. Also, I find it hilarious that you're suggesting that exhaustion will put someone out of a tournament in fiction of any kind.
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tsob posted:You don't see how the underdog protagonist of a shonen story could possibly win in a situation where it looks like he's on his last legs? Am I reading your post correctly? I just want to make sure I am. Also, I find it hilarious that you're suggesting that exhaustion will put someone out of a tournament in fiction of any kind. Look man you read enough Ippo and you start to always expect the worst and for rival fights to never happen
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Apr 13, 2015 03:34
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What does Todoroki want more, to win the fight or to piss off his father? Quitting the tournament would be a pretty big gently caress You, Dad.
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Apr 13, 2015 03:36
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Speaking of Ippo,Deku totally has those "glowing dead eyes" that boxers in Ippo seem to get when they're really serious, half in a trance, and about to kick some major rear end. Those are the eyes of a champ there.
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Apr 13, 2015 03:47
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how much PAIN does clenching that fist entail holy poo poo 
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Apr 13, 2015 04:11
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tsob posted:You don't see how the underdog protagonist of a shonen story could possibly win in a situation where it looks like he's on his last legs? Am I reading your post correctly? I just want to make sure I am. Also, I find it hilarious that you're suggesting that exhaustion will put someone out of a tournament in fiction of any kind.
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Apr 13, 2015 04:13
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And he can winlose this one too. Defeat Todoroki, be unable to continue anyway. Which will piss of Baku something insane and watching him lose his loving mind because his "win" is gently caress all without his two strongest rivals is hilarious in of itself.
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Apr 13, 2015 04:17
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Blinks77 posted:And he can winlose this one too.
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Apr 13, 2015 04:21
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Fabricated posted:This guy kinda likes subverting cliches a bit. Also he technically wonlost the exam fight with Bakugou. He doesn't always subvert them though and plays quite a few straight as a ruler.
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Apr 13, 2015 04:22
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Can Deku actually fire All For One out of anywhere other than his hands?
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Apr 13, 2015 04:43
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By this point I don't care who wins or loses as long as we can avoid a Bleach situation where the protagonist who's only just awakened to his powers trains for half a day and chumps dudes who've been at it their entire lives.
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Apr 13, 2015 04:44
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Say Nothing posted:Can Deku actually fire All For One out of anywhere other than his hands? he's not firing it, there's nothing to fire. he's just flicking his fingers and moving his arms so hard it causes shockwaves
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tsob posted:You don't see how the underdog protagonist of a shonen story could possibly win in a situation where it looks like he's on his last legs? Am I reading your post correctly? I just want to make sure I am. Also, I find it hilarious that you're suggesting that exhaustion will put someone out of a tournament in fiction of any kind. Honestly the manga is well-written enough that I can suspend my disbelief and honestly wonder 'What if the author swerves here?' and feel like it's not out of the question. Like even if Deku just wins through the cliched route, I do genuinely feel more inclined to suspend my disbelief and worry that he might lose than I would in most other mangas. Not a logical thing, I guess.
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Apr 13, 2015 05:41
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 Never stop being the best character, Bakugou.
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Apr 13, 2015 06:43
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My favorite panel was Deku's mom, sitting in a pile of tissues  I wonder if he's tried super-breath, or if he's too afraid of destroying his rib cage. I know that I would at least want the nurse on hand before I tried.
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Bad Seafood posted:By this point I don't care who wins or loses as long as we can avoid a Bleach situation where the protagonist who's only just awakened to his powers trains for half a day and chumps dudes who've been at it their entire lives. Deku's been training for quite a while, though. He trained for months even before he got One For All, and has likewise been working his rear end off since getting it. Perhaps not his entire life, sure, but he has been working at it. Also, as he was called out on, Todoroki is not putting his all into this. Using only half his power, spending a lot of time focused on what his father thinks rather than the fight itself, etc. Unless he steps it up he kind of deserves to lose here, really.
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I'm half expecting him to push Todoroki until he has to use his fire powers, and then it's revealed that since Todoroki has refused to use it often, he isn't prepared to use it in a real fight. Maybe he's afraid of burning himself, or Deku, or the crowd, but it just doesn't go as planned. I dunno though. 
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Hopeford posted:Honestly the manga is well-written enough that I can suspend my disbelief and honestly wonder 'What if the author swerves here?' and feel like it's not out of the question. Like even if Deku just wins through the cliched route, I do genuinely feel more inclined to suspend my disbelief and worry that he might lose than I would in most other mangas. Not a logical thing, I guess. Roland Jones posted:Deku's been training for quite a while, though. He trained for months even before he got One For All, and has likewise been working his rear end off since getting it. Perhaps not his entire life, sure, but he has been working at it. Deku's a smart kid, but with both his arms busted and Todoroki in charge, if he can't turn things around legitimately then I'd rather he lose than win because the plot says so.
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Mr. Fowl posted:My favorite panel was Deku's mom, sitting in a pile of tissues There was a panel in an earlier chapter where she was flipping out from worry/hype that I loved too. His mom's the best. 
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Apr 13, 2015 11:07
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DrSunshine posted:Speaking of Ippo,Deku totally has those "glowing dead eyes" that boxers in Ippo seem to get when they're really serious, half in a trance, and about to kick some major rear end. Those are the eyes of a champ there. It's called brain damage.
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Apr 13, 2015 11:26
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Deku learns that the one organ in his body that can resist the impact of One for All is...his heart. 
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Mr. Fowl posted:My favorite panel was Deku's mom, sitting in a pile of tissues After the Cavalry battle he cried so hard that the force of his tears pushed him into the ground, and his eyes didn't explode.
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Apr 13, 2015 12:26
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Tollymain posted:how much PAIN does clenching that fist entail holy poo poo One-For-All is suffering.
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Hopeford posted:Honestly the manga is well-written enough that I can suspend my disbelief and honestly wonder 'What if the author swerves here?' and feel like it's not out of the question. Like even if Deku just wins through the cliched route, I do genuinely feel more inclined to suspend my disbelief and worry that he might lose than I would in most other mangas. Not a logical thing, I guess. I think what helps in this regard is that it's now been established how victory for either side could potentially indicate some character growth, and be a good thing. Ie, if Todoroki uses his fire powers, embracing them and his full potential whilst still giving the middle finger to his father, then his fight with Deku has helped him change for the better. If Deku wins, well, he's overcome one of his rivals, shown off his potential, and the tournament arc continues to be part of his path to succeeding All-Might. So either way, there's a point.
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Mr. Fowl posted:My favorite panel was Deku's mom, sitting in a pile of tissues I too thought this was the absolute best. Deku's mom is best mom. Hell of a chapter though. No way Deku doesn't win it, but the way he does it is going to be amazing to see considering how utterly hosed up his arms are. I think he's only ever used his arms in front of his classmates, so him surprising Todoroki with a kick clear out of the arena would make a pretty sweet two page spread for me.
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Astro Nut posted:I think what helps in this regard is that it's now been established how victory for either side could potentially indicate some character growth, and be a good thing. Ie, if Todoroki uses his fire powers, embracing them and his full potential whilst still giving the middle finger to his father, then his fight with Deku has helped him change for the better. If Deku wins, well, he's overcome one of his rivals, shown off his potential, and the tournament arc continues to be part of his path to succeeding All-Might. So either way, there's a point. See, I don't think that's true. If Todoroki wins, then what we end up with is Deku, our main character sitting on the sidelines for the next dozen or so chapters as other people take center stage in events, which you don't want to do without reason for a start. The upshot would be that Todoroki would start using his fire half, but he'll need to come to terms with having had to use it to win, which goes against his entire mindset and so will cause him some inner conflict which is better resolved outside of a fight then in one, where the majority of focus on him would be if he won. On the other hand, Deku, who is going in to this tournament with all the right qualities the manga is pushing for a hero to have as well as a good deal of training and hard work behind would lose and..what? Either he'd just go "Welp, gotta work harder", which is a fairly superficial and lovely lesson given what he's already doing or he'd angst out over his loss, which is even worse given that he's not doing anything wrong. If Deku wins though, he's rewarded for having the right mindset and Todoroki has to question his mindset and decide to grow up, rather than be forced to in a reactionary manner where he may just berate himself for having had to and double down on his ice side in response. Him having to consciously recognize that his decision is childish is a better way to go about things, and also how the manga has already gone about it with Bakugou. And frankly, if Deku is going to lose to anyone I'd prefer it be Bakugou, who has already lost to him once in the past, since it means that Bakugou remains more relevant but also shows some personal growth on his part. Deku losing to Todoroki would basically be the mangaka having him lose for the sake of losing and putting in an unexpected twist with no real motive behind it and is, to me at least, him losing in the absolute worst way he could lose in the tournament because he's losing to someone who doesn't deserve to win. What's more, Todoroki has no real stakes in any of the fights he'd end up in with Iida and Bakugou. There's really nothing I can see the manga gaining by having Deku lose here, where there's a lot to gain by having him continue to win, if nothing else because his attitude towards his competitors is so fun to watch.
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If Deku loses then Todoroki vs. (probably) Iida would more likely be about personal growth for Iida and holy christ you guys are way too invested in this silly argument. Deku winning would be a cliche, and so would Deku losing. Either way it'll be fun so just strap in for the ride.
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chumbler posted:If Deku loses then Todoroki vs. (probably) Iida would more likely be about personal growth for Iida and holy christ you guys are way too invested in this silly argument. Deku winning would be a cliche, and so would Deku losing. Either way it'll be fun so just strap in for the ride. Iida can have that personal growth against Deku as easily as Todoroki though, which was kind of part of my point. Also, how dare we discuss one of the more interesting and currently relevant things in this thread for discussion on the story? What else is there to discuss at the moment?
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Apr 13, 2015 17:26
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This level of investment and analysis proves Hero Academia is a Good Manga.
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The art is really good in the manga. Like, really good.
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Terper posted:The art is really good in the manga. Like, really good. Also yeah; the fact that we can't really just say, "what is the most cliched thing that can happen?" and know 100% that's what'll happen is one of the reasons this manga owns.
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I hope Deku beats Todoroki, (barely) beats Iida, and is so worn out that he has to forfeit the tournament. Bakugou never gets to face him, explodes. He accepts his victory with a full chapter of non-stop profanity.
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Fabricated posted:Deku's hosed up hand was kinda gross, but yeah. Too many series with healing/regeneration in play tend to ignore the painful repercussions of needing to heal/regenerate in the first place.
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Bad Seafood posted:I like that it's gross. Really gives you a sense of what he's sacrificing to make his point. Even if he slams on the heal button later, right now must really suck. And then every once in awhile you get something like Tokyo Ghoul.
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Terper posted:The art is really good in the manga. Like, really good. If you haven't read the unfortunately cancelled Oumagadoki Zoo, I would highly recommend it.
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Spoilers are out. Like again, the black bars. Don't wanna hear any poo poo if you look. (it's nothing overly descriptive anyway) No, fight doesn't end in this chapter. Yeah, I stand by my suggestion that Midoriya is going to lose or be forced to bow out of the tournament due to injury. He is beyond loving himself up now. When it comes out, pay attention to when he realizes he can't move his hand and how he deals with it. 
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Revving up for the mountains of text as we speak.
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new chapter's out in english: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Boku-no-Hero-Academia/Ch-039--Todoroki-Shouto--The-Origin?id=226977
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Well that got over and done with fairly quickly. Good job, Deku, you're a good main character.
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