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BloatedCorpse posted:This probably was just bad communication - there's plenty of abdominal conditions which call for going nil-by-mouth as treatment. Intravenous fluids and glucose are given in this time. You don't lose 4kg going NBM for 4 days - she lost the weight because she was sick. Unfortunately the article doesn't say what was wrong with her because of confidentiality. 'Bad communication' is still neglect, and, besides, i do not believe that it's a simple case of some demented old biddy forgetting that she's dying. If that woman was forty years younger people would be freaking out because you wouldn't be able to easily assume she was some demented old biddy who simply forgot why she was in hospital. A person in their forties reporting that treatment would be a massive story, even if their condition was terminal and maybe included some kind of disorientation. The assumption that elderly people and people with disabilities are so cognitively disabled that they can't reliably report abuse is one of the most revolting things about our culture, and that is what this response depends upon. At the same time we have a senate inquiry about rampant abuse of people with disabilities by the very people who are paid to ensure their safety and dignity. The hospital and WA health are hoping that no one gives a poo poo because the stupid old bitch is probably demented and doesn't remember how well she was treated, it's all a misunderstanding. Everyone knows that vulnerable people are never neglected or abused. Fruity Gordo fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Apr 12, 2015 |
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Graic Gabtar posted:I had the TV on, but I wasn't sitting there watching it but I'm very certain this is how it went. My previous post wasn't that clear. Nah, I heard it wrong. Just jumped on iview. It's 1.77% of all children. The 40k number is correct though and under the new rules it would be barely over a thousand.
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Graic Gabtar posted:Nah, I heard it wrong. Just jumped on iview. Depends. My wife has a CO at work and they don't send kids to childcare and are above the FTB threshold for A, so she is just gonna gripe and still not do it because she's not losing out. The only way to catch everyone would be to remove the subsidised places at kindergarten as well, but I think that's state, not federal funding.
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Matthew Beet posted:Depends. My wife has a CO at work and they don't send kids to childcare and are above the FTB threshold for A, so she is just gonna gripe and still not do it because she's not losing out. Yes, there are going to be people who it won't impact. Earlier I suggested they should get slammed with a higher Medicare levy.
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Graic Gabtar posted:Yes, there are going to be people who it won't impact. Earlier I suggested they should get slammed with a higher Medicare levy. Yeah i like the Medicare levy idea. They should decouple it from education completely. The children of these people need more education options, not less.
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Fruity Gordo posted:$250 is cheap as gently caress, which is why I called them grifters. She has to pay board bc she's not a dependent and is living in a publicly owned official residence, and that is a pathetically piddly amount of board. is that per month? because a lusty rofl at that one
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Graic Gabtar posted:Yes, there are going to be people who it won't impact. Earlier I suggested they should get slammed with a higher Medicare levy. i think we should murder everyone in australia and then sink this drat island, as i like to call it, 'oval office'inent, the worst in the universe
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Orkin Mang posted:i think we should murder everyone in australia and then sink this drat island, as i like to call it, 'oval office'inent, the worst in the universe
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Matthew Beet posted:Yeah i like the Medicare levy idea. They should decouple it from education completely. The children of these people need more education options, not less. I'm supportive of both at the moment just to get the course correction, though I take your point.
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In the latest Ipsos poll NSW is reported as 52 - 48 2pp in favour of LNP. I thought it could be factoring in an imminent Turnbulling but no, Abbott is also preferred PM by 5 points. Even WA, 50-50 2pp has Abbott behind. What the poo poo, NSW? First state worst state.
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Birdstrike posted:In the latest Ipsos poll NSW is reported as 52 - 48 2pp in favour of LNP. I thought it could be factoring in an imminent Turnbulling but no, Abbott is also preferred PM by 5 points. Even WA, 50-50 2pp has Abbott behind. Let me see: Tony Abbott; check, Bronwyn Bishop; check, Joe Hockey; check, Scott Morrison; check. Do I need to go on?
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What the gently caress is the Courier Mail printing these days? quote:“IF I was running al-Qa’ida in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008 and pray as many times as possible, for a victory not only for Obama, but also for the Democrats.” Oh...
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Looks like a copy/paste from Fox News or something. I like how they didn't bother to even mention Bin Laden once. CATTASTIC fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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Editor of the Spectator.
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Looks like all that brown nosing of the mining industry is paying off for Sloppy Joe and the LNP. Not.quote:BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto would make just $US1 on every tonne of iron ore sold if prices fall to $US35 a tonne, a level Treasurer Joe Hockey says the government is "contemplating".
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quote:"I find it very difficult to step into the heads of chief executives because a number of them are quite short-term in their thinking," he said.
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Yeah, if anything this is a good example of long term thinking. Drive the price down and sacrifice short term profits to gently caress your competition in the long term and create a duopoly controlling most of the world's supply. I reckon the shareholders would be pretty happy with the way everything is heading.
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open24hours posted:Jesus Christ. But but but quote:"But ... they've got a fiduciary obligation to act in the best interests of their companies and their shareholders and they're doing that."
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Rio Tinto is life, Rio Tinto is God. I for one welcome our new ore eating overlords. That'll show us all for letting them run roughshod over our nation and not thinking of the future ourselves ala Mr Barnett.
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quote:Mr Hockey questioned the two big miners' strategies to drive out domestic and international rivals, including Chinese ore producers. So close to realising that maybe an unrestrained market with companies having that much power isn't always a good thing.
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The Market can not fail, only be failed.
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Oh yeah, forgot to mention - I'll send out keys to the indexer when I get home from work, so don't expect a reply in the next few hours 
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what's the retention period?
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It's still backfilling (certain groups take forever), but at the moment it's between 900-1400 days. You can see the specifics at https://murodese.org. e; oh yeah, except a.b.multimedia, gently caress that group
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i've been fiddling around with my own one, with 7 days' retention, but don't have enough quota to do anything useful. Are you hosting at home?
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Mr Chips posted:i've been fiddling around with my own one, with 7 days' retention, but don't have enough quota to do anything useful. Yeah, a vps of that power would cost an assload.
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Can we take the piracy chat out of the ASIO monitored political group plz I like Usenet and dont want it to go away.
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Murodese posted:Incidentally, if anyone needs access to an HTTPS Usenet indexer for the purposes of downloading linux isos and public domain ebooks you can PM me. I'd like to know why Usenet is the go to option rather than seedboxes or VPNs which you can also use to get around some geo-restrictions
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Laserface posted:Can we take the piracy chat out of the ASIO monitored political group plz I like Usenet and dont want it to go away. God drat it dude, the first rule of Usenet is don't say the p word.
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lightinwater posted:I'd like to know why Usenet is the go to option rather than seedboxes or VPNs which you can also use to get around some geo-restrictions Because some of us are old.
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How about those politics? That Joe Hockey is a cad. What a cad.
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Laserface posted:Can we take the piracy chat out of the ASIO monitored political group plz I like Usenet and dont want it to go away. ASIO knows about usenet. Usenet is not protected by obscurity, a few usenet hosts have already had the rear end sued out of them. Besides, we're using usenet to download linux isos, don't know where you got this piracy idea from. lightinwater posted:I'd like to know why Usenet is the go to option rather than seedboxes or VPNs which you can also use to get around some geo-restrictions Dunno either, VPN services seem cheaper too. I guess if there's a big drop in people using torrents the amount of content available and the download speeds will both be affected, but I don't think that's likely to be a major problem.
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MiniSune posted:Because some of us are old. its infinitely better.
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lightinwater posted:I'd like to know why Usenet is the go to option rather than seedboxes or VPNs which you can also use to get around some geo-restrictions Cost of hosting @ home is lower than having a VM, esp if you have a healthy download quote. You can combine with VPN if you like. ASIO won't give a poo poo about it, AFP *might* but if you're not uploading then you'll be so towards the bottom of the list of targets. AFP still bust people burning DVDs and selling them at markets.
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The ASIO peeps should come play some Mafia instead, just don't spy on anyone's PMs or that'll spoil all the fun: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3712993
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Fruity Gordo posted:'Bad communication' is still neglect, and, besides, i do not believe that it's a simple case of some demented old biddy forgetting that she's dying. If that woman was forty years younger people would be freaking out because you wouldn't be able to easily assume she was some demented old biddy who simply forgot why she was in hospital. A person in their forties reporting that treatment would be a massive story, even if their condition was terminal and maybe included some kind of disorientation. The assumption that elderly people and people with disabilities are so cognitively disabled that they can't reliably report abuse is one of the most revolting things about our culture, and that is what this response depends upon. At the same time we have a senate inquiry about rampant abuse of people with disabilities by the very people who are paid to ensure their safety and dignity. I'm still pretty sure it was a misunderstanding. It's very unlikely she was "starved" by accident. If you're nil by mouth for a procedure and the procedure gets delayed to the next day then standard practice is to give you lunch and dinner and then fast you from midnight. There are so many checks in place in hospitals (even poorly resourced ones) to make sure people don't starve - the treating specialist's team sees you in the morning ward round to establish the plan for the day. The team's intern or resident is around on the wards to implement the nitty-gritty of the plan and deal with issues that arise (such as complaints of being starved). There are nurses who check on you very regularly to monitor your vital signs and complaints, advocate for you and contact the team if concerned. There are physiotherapists, dieticians and occupational therapists to keep you in good condition and arrange things to make sure you're ready for discharge when the course of your medical treatment is complete. There are usually 3 other patients in the room who usually will speak up if something is going obviously wrong for you. The food trolley person comes round and checks if you should be eating 3 times a day. If she was admitted for an ileus (which is very consistent with how her condition was described in the article) or acute pancreatitis (also consistent) then one of the mainstays of treatment is going nil-by-mouth (with intravenous fluids and glucose). Feeding someone in this case can result in complications like a perforated intestine, which would probably lead to death. They can go ahead and have their inquiry, or she can sue the hospital if she really thinks she was mistreated, but if I had to place a bet on the outcome it would be that the lack of feeding was the right thing to do and that the perception of mistreatment arises out of a lack of insight into her condition - which could be due to delirium, dementia, or poor communication or a combination of all three. If a family member of yours is hospitalised make sure you keep up to date with what is going on with them - delirium is very common in hospitals so even a young, normally fit person can suffer from disorientation and confusion during their hospital stay, so it's always handy if they have a family member who knows what's going on. Even without delirium your emotional condition can make it hard to understand what you're being told. I've seen plenty of people told they've had a heart attack/stroke/they might have cancer/they need major surgery who then fail to absorb anything they are told over the next 10 minutes.
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lightinwater posted:I'd like to know why Usenet is the go to option rather than seedboxes or VPNs which you can also use to get around some geo-restrictions The two most useful bits of software (Sickbeard and Sonarr) both only? work on usenet. I think there are forks that can handle torrents, but usenet is the go-to. Also yeah, much safer because you're only connecting to unlogged servers over SSL (rather than a torrent swarm) and generally faster, even for older releases.
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