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Joementum posted:There is actually big news in the AP story: loving hell. Does be think he can win, or does he think he can't hold his seat against a presidential electorate?
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Apr 13, 2015 16:34
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Rygar201 posted:loving hell. Does be think he can win, or does he think he can't hold his seat against a presidential electorate? Conventional wisdom says Rubio uses this campaign to get more name recognition, then launches a bid for governor in 2018 and tries again for Pres. in 2020/2024.
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Apr 13, 2015 16:37
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I'm a little surprised. Not that he's running, but that if he drops out of the Senate race, he's really going all-in for Prez. Thought he might have a better shot in 2020, which is to say, ANY chance, as opposed to the 0% chance he has right now to win. e: ^^^ Good point. 3 presidential nominees in the last 15 years (assuming Hillary wins) will have won the nod their second time around. Maybe Rubio's banking on that.
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Apr 13, 2015 16:38
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If he wants to leave the Senate, a presidential run is as good a glorified fig leaf as any.
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Apr 13, 2015 16:39
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The error page on Hillary's website. I love duck puns
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AsInHowe posted:The error page on Hillary's website. OK, whatever you may think of Hillary, that error page is actually kinda 
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Apr 13, 2015 16:41
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"You clicked the 'Hillary's Stance on the Issues' tab! Sorry, she's just going to wing it!"
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Apr 13, 2015 16:46
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Spaceman Future! posted:Rubio is going all or nothing political suicide on the executive? He must have a pretty cushy tv deal in the works. He'll spend more time on Alpha House.
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Apr 13, 2015 16:51
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AsInHowe posted:The error page on Hillary's website. Isn't Disney going to pitch a fit over her using their imagery?
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Apr 13, 2015 17:06
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I'll be in the corner with my Sanders 2016 cap and my trusty friend Evan Williams.
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Apr 13, 2015 17:07
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Drastic Actions posted:Can you change your username on reddit? If not, then he probably has a ton "invested" in that user account (karma, or whatever they do there) and he does not want to lose it. And besides, he got made fun of on SA. How many people are going to search his name and find that thread? I mean, they should, because it's amazing, but it's a low probability. I sort of agree that the whole Boyko-SA thing is a tempest in a teapot - it hardly makes him unemployable. Plus it's entirely possible he screwed up the SA part of his social-media job but did well on other components. railroad terror posted:I'm a little surprised. Not that he's running, but that if he drops out of the Senate race, he's really going all-in for Prez. Thought he might have a better shot in 2020, which is to say, ANY chance, as opposed to the 0% chance he has right now to win. I'm not disagreeing, but I don't think anyone's ever lost money underestimating a politician's ability to crawl inside their own personal bubble and group-think. I mean, the act of running for President means that you believe either (a) you are the best qualified person to lead America or (b) your own personal ambitions are more important than picking the best President, so you're almost definitionally an egomaniac if you run for President. Look at the way these guys (Rand Paul, Marco Rubio) are rolling out pre-announcement announcements - it sort of feels like they think their announcement is some major EVENT.
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Apr 13, 2015 17:11
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OK, I spent some time and have a rough estimate of Hillary's delegate count. She needs 2,422 to win the nomination and currently has endorsements from 27 Senators, 41 Representatives, 1 ex-DNC chair, and 1 ex-President, so that's 70 soft-pledged delegates to 0 for everyone else*. * The DNC rules state that only Senators elected as Democrats can be delegates, so I'm assuming Bernie doesn't have a vote.
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Apr 13, 2015 17:24
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Obdicut posted:Isn't Disney going to pitch a fit over her using their imagery? Would you slight the presidential favorite if you had as many fingers in as many pies as Disney does?
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Apr 13, 2015 17:31
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Dr. Killjoy posted:"Candidate Biden, What do you have to say about supposed connections between you and the My Little Pony, "Brony" fandom?" I could see old Diamond Joe being a Brony
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I forgot about Biden! He gets a vote at the DNC too, so he's got one delegate supporting him so far.
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Come watch the political tools scrape around Hillary's record to shore up that whole "opposition to same sex rights" smudge on her record. After a thorough probing, which included several tongue-twirls around her anus, the best they could come up with was that no email she wrote in the Clinton white house actively *opposed* same sex rights... and MEMBERS OF HER STAFF were pushing for gay rights. WOW! Let's throw a loving parade. "In Bill Clinton White House, Hillary Clinton's staff helped push on gay rights" http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/clinton-white-house-gay-rights-hillary-clinton-staff-116859.html During an interview with Fresh Air's Terry Gross, Clinton laid an egg over gay rights and arguably attacked the host and her motives. Bad move, if anyone knows Terry Gross. This is all a reaction to that.
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Apr 13, 2015 17:36
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Are there any redeeming qualities to Clinton? I am definitely not voting for her, but I would like to at least find comfort in someone who might actually change the status quo. Clinton seems to be a Conservative through and through. She's not in favor of single payer, she supports the Drug War, she's a warmonger, she's shown no real effort to raise taxes on rich or improve the welfare of the poor, she's really done nothing tangible for women or LGBT. Who the gently caress is this person? Are we expected to hand her the presidency just because she's hung around in important places?
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Martin Random posted:Come watch the political tools scrape around Hillary's record to shore up that whole "opposition to same sex rights" smudge on her record. After a thorough probing, which included several tongue-twirls around her anus, the best they could come up with was that no email she wrote in the Clinton white house actively *opposed* same sex rights... and MEMBERS OF HER STAFF were pushing for gay rights. WOW! Let's throw a loving parade. Hillary Rodham Clinton... Human Rights Campaign... brothers?
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Frijolero posted:Are there any redeeming qualities to Clinton? I don't hold much hope for any president being able to undo the congressional deadlock that's strangling the country, but the best possible outcome for her presidence would be a few choice deaths and retirements allowing her to stack the supreme court with liberals. The Reagan and Bush SC nominations have handed the right some of their greatest victories in the past few decades.
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AsInHowe posted:The error page on Hillary's website. Imagine going to Disney World's Hall of Presidents and seeing an animatronic version of youself, a thing I had never actually considered until this moment.
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TheBalor posted:I don't hold much hope for any president being able to undo the congressional deadlock that's strangling the country, but the best possible outcome for her presidence would be a few choice deaths and retirements allowing her to stack the supreme court with liberals. The Reagan and Bush SC nominations have handed the right some of their greatest victories in the past few decades. This. I really, really don't want to see Ginsburg replaced with an Alito clone. Barring some extremely unlikely and way out of left field type event, like Liz Warren or Deval Patrick announcing a candidacy, is the only realistic Dem opposition to Hillary at this point Martin O'Malley? I'd vote for Bernie Sanders in a heartbeat, but I feel like the MSM won't even treat a candidacy by him as legitimate. Jim Webb is insane. I'm not sure O'Malley can even muster half of what Bill Bradley got in 2000, the last time we had a truly presumptive nominee at the beginning of the primary season. Before Gore ran away with the nomination, here were the results from the early contests: Iowa: Gore - 62 Bradley - 36 New Hampshire: Gore - 49 Bradley - 45 Washington: Gore - 65 Bradley - 34 On Super Tuesday, Bradley got I think 20% in California. I could see O'Malley performing in that range.
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Frijolero posted:Are there any redeeming qualities to Clinton? Well given that without an act of god she will be the Dem nominee she has a veto pen and you arent gonna get that with your only other choice on the executive ticket. If you need more of a pitch than that you havent considered what 3 wings of fractured GOP will do, so like rage against the machine at the state level where you can actually change something.
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TheBalor posted:I don't hold much hope for any president being able to undo the congressional deadlock that's strangling the country, but the best possible outcome for her presidence would be a few choice deaths and retirements allowing her to stack the supreme court with liberals. The Reagan and Bush SC nominations have handed the right some of their greatest victories in the past few decades. So nothing? hahaha You literally said nothing about Clinton personally. Spaceman Future! posted:Well given that without an act of god she will be the Dem nominee she has a veto pen and you arent gonna get that with your only other choice on the executive ticket. If you need more of a pitch than that you havent considered what 3 wings of fractured GOP will do, so like rage against the machine at the state level where you can actually change something. I'm not asking to be convinced to vote Democrat and I am not raging. I simply want y'alls opinions on Clinton and her views and actions. Frijolero fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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railroad terror posted:This. I really, really don't want to see Ginsburg replaced with an Alito clone. That would be one hosed up copy of Scalia. I can't even imagine what that would be like - Scalia is basically a gallbladder with legs and a bullhorn, and Alito is already a less-noisy toady of Scalia. A clone of Alito would basically be Ted Cruz except without any kind of interpersonal communication skills.
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Frijolero posted:So nothing? hahaha http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/13/opinion/it-takes-a-party.html?_r=0 quote:So Hillary Clinton is officially running, to nobody’s surprise. And you know what’s coming: endless attempts to psychoanalyze the candidate, endless attempts to read significance into what she says or doesn’t say about President Obama, endless thumb-sucking about her “positioning” on this or that issue.
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Frijolero posted:Are there any redeeming qualities to Clinton? -somewhat less likely than republicans to send you an' me to die of gutshot in a goat pasture twelve miles outside of isfahon -while she probably will not do anything to further progressive agendas, she will certainly not aggressively attempt to dismantle the past eighty years' of progress like a Republican will. vote/support Bernie in the primary and your conscience can be clear.
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I, for one, am looking forward to a year and a half of "Hillary is no different from the Republicans, voting doesn't matter." Edit: Here, have a photo of Marco Rubio, the human manifestation of awkward: 
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Apr 13, 2015 18:02
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PupsOfWar posted:-somewhat less likely than republicans to send you an' me to die of gutshot in a goat pasture twelve miles outside of isfahon
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I never asked for convincing on Clinton and I am not saying she's no different than Republicans. What I asked was: Are there any redeeming qualities to Clinton? The answer is clearly No. As a Democratic candidate there are slight benefits over a GOP candidate, but as a unique person with unique traits and unique skills there seems to be a consensus that she has nothing good going for her. PupsOfWar posted:vote/support Bernie in the primary and your conscience can be clear. I'll be voting Sanders in primary and Jill Stein in the final.
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Frijolero posted:So nothing? hahaha I don't care. The personal aspect of the candidate doesn't matter. Candidates are bound by their coalitions. The party matter infinitely more than the particular candidate because the party provides all the staffers to head up the massive organization that is the federal state, and the party provides the coalition. Past these, so long as the president doesn't let the birds fly, them personally being amazing or an rear end in a top hat is of little consequence. At best it comes out in campaigning, but they always hide their real personalities anyways. I mean, do you really think Romney actually likes corn dogs, or that Obama was totally cool with people waving the confederate flag at him? Clinton's views and actions will reflect those of her coalition. That means she will, at a minimum, seek to maintain the basic social safety net of social security, Medicare, and Medicaid in their current form, while preserving and extending the ACA. Taxes on the rich will stay at about the level they are. She will preserve the 2010 financial reform, she will move forward on climate issues, she will appoint center left justices like Kagan and Sotomayor to the SCOTUS, and she isn't going to shred freshly forged international agreements. What she wants has very little to do with it beyond highlighting the relative priority and means of these. It's what Obama is doing now, it's what W did for his coalition, what Bill did with his, what HW Bush did, etc etc etc. And with whomever the GOP nominee is its largely going to be the same priorities for them: destroy the ACA, block grant Medicaid, voucherize Medicare, cut Social Security. Cut taxes in the rich. Eliminate the financial reforms and consumer protections. Abolish any climate regulation, defund any programs addressing climate issues, appoint more justices like Alito and Roberts to the SCOTUS, resume a hostile stance with Iran and have direct military intervention in the Middle East. Whether it's Cruz, Paul, Bush, or some other but the only difference will be the relative importance of these agenda items, how they achieve them, and the competence at doing so. It has nothing to do with what they might want to do; President Gingrich may want to focus on his moon zoo but it isn't part of this agenda so it won't get acted on past some symbolic motions. The coalition dictates what the candidate does. Who they are as a person doesn't matter.
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Frijolero posted:I never asked for convincing on Clinton and I am not saying she's no different than Republicans. What I asked was: Are there any redeeming qualities to Clinton? I realize you think you are being clever and contradictory and speaking truth to whatever power you imagine goons hold (the power to send pizza to the veep candidate?) But all you are really doing is showing you don't know how it works and rambling on like an 18 year old who watched too much West Wing.
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Fried Chicken posted:The coalition dictates what the candidate does. Who they are as a person doesn't matter. True for candidates in the general election, but the primary still offers a chance to articulate and resolve differences within the coalition. For example, Obama was criticized in the 2008 primary for his position that he'd agree to negotiations with Iran without preconditions. We're only now seeing the result of that choice - and still don't know if it will pay off. It's too early to say what choices Hillary will need to articulate during the primary, but people who assume that she's going to be the same candidate she was in 2008, 2006, or 2000 are just plain wrong. The Democratic party has changed considerably in the last decade and she'll change with it.
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The people who vote based on "redeeming personal qualities" tend to be the low-information "independent" voters who actually get swayed by TV advertisements. I like Bernie and Jill Stein, too. But there's a world of policy difference between maintaining the ACA and gutting the ACA. The veto power Hillary would hold matters a lot more than a meaningless vote for Jill Stein. e: I mean this in the context of a general election, between a more clearly defined D and R candidate. In primary season, yeah, personal qualities play an outsized role. 2008 is a good example. railroad terror fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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Fried Chicken posted:I don't care. The personal aspect of the candidate doesn't matter.
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Obdicut posted:Isn't Disney going to pitch a fit over her using their imagery? Disney's lawyers versus Clinton's lawyers? That would be the King Kong vs. Godzilla of our times.
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Fried Chicken posted:I realize you think you are being clever and contradictory and speaking truth to whatever power you imagine goons hold (the power to send pizza to the veep candidate?) lol You are getting your panties in a bunch over nothing. I've been reading about Clinton and it seems she's done very little for the welfare of average Americans. I was expecting to be proved wrong but instead I got a Democrat calling me names and getting all riled up and defending someone who really needs no defending. Good luck with life loser. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Joementum posted:True for candidates in the general election, but the primary still offers a chance to articulate and resolve differences within the coalition. For example, Obama was criticized in the 2008 primary for his position that he'd agree to negotiations with Iran without preconditions. We're only now seeing the result of that choice - and still don't know if it will pay off. quote:It's too early to say what choices Hillary will need to articulate during the primary, but people who assume that she's going to be the same candidate she was in 2008, 2006, or 2000 are just plain wrong. The Democratic party has changed considerably in the last decade and she'll change with it.
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