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LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:as a third party you dont eliminate another party politically, you take over an existing party by making them adopt your agenda by showing it gets voted in. thats why you focus on the local level first. Yeah, take a state where the local political leadership of the minority party is a bunch of idiots, ignore them and campaign and win somehow. Now your policies are shown to be winners in a state the mainstream policy has trouble in, which means they'll probably want to adopt your policies in other hard-fought places.
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VanSandman posted:Yeah, take a state where the local political leadership of the minority party is a bunch of idiots, ignore them and campaign and win somehow. Now your policies are shown to be winners in a state the mainstream policy has trouble in, which means they'll probably want to adopt your policies in other hard-fought places. I used to think the last chance any third party had to establish themselves nationally was Perot carrying the Reform Party banner in 1992 and 1996, but it was obvious in retrospect there was no institutional support (or any downballot) candidates for Reform, it was just a rich as gently caress Texan who wanted a party to run with, and "Reform" sounded good. Most success third party candidates get statewide tend to be due to regional issues, or just plain weird circumstances (see: Alaskan Independence Party, or perennial Rhode Island candidate Bob Healey unexpectedly cracking 20% in the 2014 RI Governor's Race under the "Moderate" Party label, which, ironically, was a party started by Ken Block, the guy who ran for that year's Republican nomination and lost).
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Fried Chicken posted:I'm curious, what was your read of the Chicago election? Or is there something else you are seeing that I've missed? Chuey going down was the source of my opinion that while the left part of the democratic coalition is growing, it still isn't delivering. Sure there is Warren, but Warren swept into the primary so that's not really anything for their strength, and once she was the candidate the party splits are rather inconsequential. The ability for movement progressives to push on primaries still seems lacking for now. I think Rahm got embarrassed in the Chicago election. That city is as rigged as you can get for a finance-backed incumbent and he got pushed into a run-off and had to spend millions against an essentially unfunded opponent and still just barely squeaked into double digits. A similar thing happened to Cuomo in the NY Gubernatorial election and it will keep happening to Democrats who don't (or don't want to) understand that it's not the 90s any more. And some of those Democrats will lose. I don't think Hillary is that stupid and her campaign is going to have to articulate an economic vision, which won't be to nationalize the banks, but also won't confine itself to deficit reduction and "entitlement reform". Equal pay and raising the minimum wage are already fully integrated into the party platform and Democrats can anticipate an expansion of those ideas. In 2008, Hillary was against lifting the payroll tax cap, in 2014 she said she's OK with lifting the cap above $200k. So, as I said, we'll see. And then she'll get into office, appoint Larry Summers as Treasury Secretary and I'll have to start pumping whisky directly into my stomach 
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Joementum posted:I think Rahm got embarrassed in the Chicago election. That city is as rigged as you can get for a finance-backed incumbent and he got pushed into a run-off and had to spend millions against an essentially unfunded opponent and still just barely squeaked into double digits. A similar thing happened to Cuomo in the NY Gubernatorial election and it will keep happening to Democrats who don't (or don't want to) understand that it's not the 90s any more. And some of those Democrats will lose. If you want to look at what her campaign is going to promise, you really just need to flip through: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/report/2015/01/15/104266/report-of-the-commission-on-inclusive-prosperity/
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quote:Just a few hours before a scheduled annoucement, which many expect to be his presidential bid, Business Insider uncovered the issue pages on Rubio's website. While the website currently only shows a teaser for tonight's announcement, a sitemap revealed a list of URLs that appear to be for various positions of a presidential campaign. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/marco-rubio-campaign-website-platform
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Apr 13, 2015 21:02
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Not sure if thats a joke or not but it actually looks good.
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I don't know about this, I prefer Italian fashion brands.
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Compared to the 9/11 H it owns.
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Series DD Funding posted:Compared to the 9/11 H it owns. I like the 9-11 H
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The spacing between letters kinda bothers me, but yeah, I think this actually looks good. I like it more than Hillary's logo and the solid red US outline is a nice detail, from a Republican pov.
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Cliff Racer posted:Not sure if thats a joke or not but it actually looks good. That's the real logo and, yeah, I agree, his designers did a good job. And I'm now going to refer to Marco's campaign as the Project for a New American Century
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Fine with conservatives probably. A new American century is just what we need right now.
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Cliff Racer posted:Fine with conservatives probably. A new American century is just what we need right now. Thanks for weighing in, Donald Rumsfeld.
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 Nothing will ever top the Huntsman H.
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Is there anything more uncool than college republicans?    
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Is there anything more uncool than college republicans? ahahahahahahaha ahahahahaha Oh dear sweet baby jesus.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Is there anything more uncool than college republicans? The DNC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkPitNW4aG0
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I don't even understand that first one. An international nonprofit hosted an event overseas for which it received funding? TERRORISM SOMEHOW.
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A year back the college republicans at my school tried recruiting during rush week for frats by putting up placards going "RUSH GOP"
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Is there anything more uncool than college republicans? .....Aslan? You're in trouble when your college wing is further off the pulse than Cheney's ex heart.
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Chamale posted:Agreed. I voted for them in 2012 despite disagreeing with their anti-nuclear energy stance. But since Stein is also anti-vaccine, I'm going to find another hopeless third party to vote for this time. Should I choose the Socialist Party or the Party for Socialism? I'm voting Pirate Party. It's like technosocialismlibertarianism light.
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Spaceman Future! posted:.....Aslan? Its all Game of Thrones poo poo.
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Cliff Racer posted:Its all Game of Thrones poo poo. Narnia would be more in line with their world view.
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Nonsense posted:The stage we're at where liberals admit: "There are some hard truths we need to understand about social security, and covering our eyes and ears won't change that."
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Do the democrats have joke candidates this cycle on par with republicans?
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Okay now I'm really getting scared that my livelihood is hosed even if Hilary wins the election. ^^We basically have no other candidates this season.
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Foo posted:Do the democrats have joke candidates this cycle on par with republicans? Jim Webb? That guy that used to be a Republican? They're not as entertaining, but they have about as much chance at getting the nomination.
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Foo posted:Do the democrats have joke candidates this cycle on par with republicans? Google "Hillary Rodham Clinton"
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Joementum posted:
So maybe you can keep it to the high end whisky is what I'm saying
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railroad terror posted:
Would stay at this four star hotel.
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The platform is the most important thing anyone should look at when deciding who to vote for. Then straight party ticket for the party who has the platform most beneficial to you. So goddamn easy
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Grouchio posted:Okay now I'm really getting scared that my livelihood is hosed even if Hilary wins the election. What's your livelihood, and who is it under threat from?
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Fried Chicken posted:you know, it's funny, but now that he is away from any sort of power he's been making somewhat sensible noises about the economic problems we are having now. Ben Bernake just owned the poo poo out of him so, no.
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Democrats have Jeff Boss Jeff ran in New Jersey under the campaign name :NSA DID 9/11 http://www.jeffbossforpresident.org/
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Millenials dont even know what a Friends is what the gently caress is this?
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The guys getting married in Hillary's announcement video didn't know they were going to be in the announcement video, but now that they do know they've invited Hillary (and a plus one) to their wedding.
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