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Amergin posted:You still keep using this word "hate" as though it's just an agreed-upon and accepted fact. Republicans don't just want to get rid of things, and the things they want to get rid of tend to be things they think are unconstitutional rather than they simply "hate" it. Foreign policy and diplomatic endeavors to mend relations with hostile governments are not unconstitutional, and Republicans are fully aware of it. It has nothing to do with their particular ignorance, it has to do with the votes that they believe said positions will gain them.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Honestly at this point there both 'united' by a hatred of the other. If the one splintered, progressives/tea partiers would split off from the third wayers/establishment pretty quick imo. I've been saying it for a few years now but I still really believe we're ripe for another realignment. The boomers aging out of the workforce and the millennials stepping up their involvement seem like big enough shifts to trigger it. That's why i want to see Rand get the nomination, he's the biggest potential wedge driver on that side this cycle.
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That's growth in spending, not spending itself. Considering Obama's growth in spending is > 0 then yes, he is the biggest spender.
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Amergin posted:Republicans are united by a common hatred? When has a republican ever been moral?
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Amergin posted:That's growth in spending, not spending itself. Considering Obama's growth in spending is > 0 then yes, he is the biggest spender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hou0lU8WMgo
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Who What Now posted:When has a republican ever been moral? Roosevelt.
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So yesterday the net neutrality rules were published, and a lawsuit to overturn them immediately filed today the republicans are fast tracking a repeal of net neutrality. Which Obama will promptly repeal
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Fried Chicken posted:today the republicans are fast tracking a repeal of net neutrality. Which Obama will promptly repeal quote:This isn't the only Republican effort to overturn the FCC's net neutrality rules. Another, titled the "Internet Freedom Act," would wipe out the new net neutrality regime. Oh, those Republicans and their bill names.
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Amergin posted:That's growth in spending, not spending itself. Considering Obama's growth in spending is > 0 then yes, he is the biggest spender. So we could have a President abolish every office and department but would still be the biggest spender just from hiring the bulldozer teams for a strip mall over the MLK Jr. memorial.
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Have any of them promised to repeal same-sex marriage legalization should (ha ha it's happening) it happen?
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No, you sell the memorial and the buyer has to pay for their own bulldozers. You liberals can't even destroy government right.
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DaveWoo posted:Oh, those Republicans and their bill names. Any time something has the word "Freedom" in it I am now just immediately suspicious of it.
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Talmonis posted:Roosevelt. Post Southern Strategy, I mean.
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greatn posted:No, you sell the memorial and the buyer has to pay for their own bulldozers. You liberals can't even destroy government right. Yeah if you want to lose all the clues to finding George Washington's cache of doubloons and sapphires.
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Quidam Viator posted:Meanwhile, Americans are able to continue to sit back complacently for almost another decade, split by deliberate polarization to fight with each other over the medical benefits of murdering cops' wives, lament the facility with which the Koch Brothers take over everything from university economics programs to whole states, and the terrible destruction of the environment, warmongering, and destruction of workers rights STILL HAPPENS JUST AT A SLOWER PACE, so that your average American can still be consoled by a media that presents "both sides" of these issues. See this: quote:"There is a considerable likelihood of warming reaching 4°C above pre-industrial levels within this century... Crop yields are expected to decline by 30 percent with 1.5-2°C warming and up to 60 percent with 3-4°C warming.
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Quidam Viator posted:Very well, I'm off again then. It doesn't hurt to be polite. Oh my god guys, comity itself has sadly departed from us.
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Burning It All Down will create too much CO2. Accelerationists are the planet's greatest enemy.
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http://www.abajournal.com/mobile/article/suspicious_lawyer_finds_malware_on_external_hard_drive_supplied_by_police_l/ Suspicious lawyer finds malware on external hard drive supplied by police lawyer in discovery quote:An Arkansas lawyer is seeking sanctions after his computer expert found malware on an external hard drive supplied in response to a discovery request.
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SedanChair posted:Oh my god guys, comity itself has sadly departed from us. He has failed to heed my advice that he seek a more healthy outlet for his psychotic misanthropy, such as in a millenarian non-denominational megachurch, and continues to be a dollar store vanguardist.
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Fried Chicken posted:http://www.abajournal.com/mobile/article/suspicious_lawyer_finds_malware_on_external_hard_drive_supplied_by_police_l/ If the police attorney was in on this (and it sounds like he or she was based on the irregular method of delivery) that should certainly be grounds for disbarment.
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Accelerationism is dumb because things are slowly getting better, not worse. Yeah there's a lot of bad poo poo happening and every tiny step forward gets fought tooth and nail, but we're making slow progress and slow progress tends to stick. I wish we could move things forward faster but the bigger and faster changes get fought even harder. The average human brain simply cannot handle fast, radical change. I hate incrementalism but it's all we have and it's been working since the 50s. Instead of trying to make things worse for everyone so that they'll rise up in glorious revolution, let's use those resources and energy to prevent our small victories from getting overturned, and to keep pushing for more progress. We KNOW that will work because history has shown us that it does. We just need to keep at it. Tirelessly.
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Seeing people posting a story on Facebook where a black judge sentenced some presumably black home invaders to some very minor time because "He felt the 3 year old white victim was racist". If this were real I assume it would be everywhere, provided left wing media isn't hiding it of course, so what's the real story so I can counter it? I'm really just assuming it's some bullshit to counter the thing where you can pay a police department to hunt unarmed black men.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Accelerationism is dumb because things are slowly getting better, not worse. Uh what's your metric here? I mean accelerationism is dumb, but that's not why.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Accelerationism is dumb because things are slowly getting better, not worse. Yeah there's a lot of bad poo poo happening and every tiny step forward gets fought tooth and nail, but we're making slow progress and slow progress tends to stick. I wish we could move things forward faster but the bigger and faster changes get fought even harder. The average human brain simply cannot handle fast, radical change. I hate incrementalism but it's all we have and it's been working since the 50s. A certain kind of liberal (without value) cannot see this progress. To them, life is a vague, foggy assemblage of pictures on an MSF fundraising letter.
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Is there anyone here that doesn't think we're headed for some sort of civilizational collapse within the next century? I'm starting to feel like an outlier here.
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zoux posted:While he's an obnoxious chicken little, I get why QV is so hysterical about the state of American politics, because I can't really see a way the status quo evolves back into a workable system without some sort of catastrophe. Between the nature of campaigning for national office and the way that political communications are done and the polarization of the electorate, I don't know how we get to a point where governing is possible. Republicans reduce to a rump party, Dems continue to move right, leftists flow to a former third party.
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SedanChair posted:A certain kind of liberal (without value) cannot see this progress. To them, life is a vague, foggy assemblage of pictures on an MSF fundraising letter. What does MSF stand for?
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fknlo posted:Seeing people posting a story on Facebook where a black judge sentenced some presumably black home invaders to some very minor time because "He felt the 3 year old white victim was racist". If this were real I assume it would be everywhere, provided left wing media isn't hiding it of course, so what's the real story so I can counter it? I'm really just assuming it's some bullshit to counter the thing where you can pay a police department to hunt unarmed black men. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/10/judge-slams-victims-for-tots-black-men-fear/25604929/ It sounds like two years after the robbery, the parents were trying to say that the robbers made their three year old racist and that should result in a harsher penalty for the criminals during the sentencing of one. The judge responded by saying that the kid isn't racist, but the parents are possibly using the kid as a way to sanitize their own racism. The robber getting probation seems to come from a hope he would redeem himself, not to stick it to the victims. So yeah saying he's giving the robbers a pass because he thinks the three year old is a racist is in typical right wing media fashion taking a small kernel of truth and then creating a larger lie out of it. It plays in perfectly because you supposedly have black criminals victimizing a white family then a black man in a position of power yelling at them afterwards and of course using that to give a lighter sentence to the robbers to further stick it to whitey. It's a great "boo hoo white people are the real victims of racism " that the right wing is pushing like crazy lately. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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MaxxBot posted:Is there anyone here that doesn't think we're headed for some sort of civilizational collapse within the next century? I'm starting to feel like an outlier here. I was raised on global warming being a thing and I haven't seen anything to indicate that it's something we're going to be able to pull out of besides "the human race always thinks of something at the last minute!" And that's besides the whole running out of fossil fuels thing.
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Accelerationism works if you're aiming for the political instability part and not the whole things get better after that part. America isn't immune to political, financial, or international crisis simply because it's a superpower. It's simply ahistorical to suggest otherwise. Accelerationists want that cycle to happen faster.
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I don't consider myself an accelerationist but the only argument I've heard against it that really jived me with was (paraphrasing from this thread) If catastrophe is inevitable it will be better to have someone like Hillary at the helm when it happens than someone like Walker, and by keeping the presidency. in the dems hands increases the likelihood of that happening. I don't understand how an anti-accelerationist can be so completely convinced that their prediction of the future is correct. How do you know for sure which outcome will lead to a smaller amount of future suffering? Sometimes the counter-intuitive answer is more correct. I don't think it is in this case, but if you don't recognize that fact your argument will never resonate with someone like me or QV. If you believe that catastrophe lies ahead, the feeling of needing to propose something ambitious can be overwhelming. making GBS threads on the whole premise of being ambitious and telling someone to leave the thread doesn't help. Repeating that the only thing to do is barely do anything because it will be less bad maybe doesn't help. Maybe there's no way to talk about it constructively because we're hosed and there's nothing we can do about it. But without being able to know that for sure, the arrogance in some of the arguments is hard to swallow.
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Crowsbeak posted:What does MSF stand for? http://www.msf.org/
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Radish posted:If the police attorney was in on this (and it sounds like he or she was based on the irregular method of delivery) that should certainly be grounds for disbarment. So was the use of FedEx over the USPS a way to avoid some mail related charges like in the movie, "The Firm"?
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gradenko_2000 posted:I was raised on global warming being a thing and I haven't seen anything to indicate that it's something we're going to be able to pull out of besides "the human race always thinks of something at the last minute!" People have been predicting imminent collapse of civilization ever since it started and so far they have all been wrong, so I would be a lot more hesitant about predicting it than humans so far have been. I can understand why climate change would be a concern but the fossil fuels thing seems downright silly in light of how far alternative energy sources have advanced and how we've found even more relatively economical sources of fossil fuels. I mean the only reason at this point we haven't transferred over to more renewables is a lack of political will, not a lack of feasibility. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:I was raised on global warming being a thing and I haven't seen anything to indicate that it's something we're going to be able to pull out of besides "the human race always thinks of something at the last minute!" Running out of fossil fuels is going to take a century or more at least at this rate, dude. It's somewhat surprising what a difference the concerted effort to force cars to better efficiencies and massively increase efficiency of things like standard appliance, heating/cooling system, hell even replacing massive energy consumption CRTs for larger but lower energy use LCDs does. sillyloquy posted:I don't understand how an anti-accelerationist can be so completely convinced that their prediction of the future is correct. How do you know for sure which outcome will lead to a smaller amount of future suffering? The thing is accelerationism guarantees extraneous future suffering directed at the mass populace as part of it's entire reason to exist. So if collapse is inevitable anyway, all accelerationism does is make things suck more while we wait for it, meaning more suffering. And if collapse isn't inevitable, then accelerationism brings up the suckitude AND causes an unneeded collapse. It's a lovely bet either way. Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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I figured we'd slowly have to make do with a less hospitable climate, fewer material things and less easy travel, but that wouldn't be the end of civilization, just a (mostly very negative) change. Or maybe it's just a return to a sustainable level of humanity. The poor and down-and-out will be completely hosed though. The rich will make sure that they take the most damage from the unpleasant changes, one way or another. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Well then, I'm genuinely very happy at being proven wrong on one of those fears.
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Catastrophic climate change? Resource scarcity? Welcome to the history of the human race
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sillyloquy posted:I don't consider myself an accelerationist but the only argument I've heard against it that really jived me with was (paraphrasing from this thread) If catastrophe is inevitable it will be better to have someone like Hillary at the helm when it happens than someone like Walker, and by keeping the presidency. in the dems hands increases the likelihood of that happening. If we're hosed and there's nothing to do, why would you want to get to the "we're hosed state" any faster. Accelerationism is, to my black mind, something disaffected and well off white people tell themselves because they're depressed
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MaxxBot posted:People have been predicting imminent collapse of civilization ever since it started and so far they have all been wrong, so I would be a lot more hesitant about predicting it than humans so far have been. I can understand why climate change would be a concern but the fossil fuels thing seems downright silly in light of how far alternative energy sources have advanced and how we've found even more relatively economical sources of fossil fuels. I mean the only reason at this point we haven't transferred over to more renewables is a lack of political will, not a lack of feasibility. The Earth cannot sustain the current levels. It's unviable. It's undoable. It's agriculturally only possible because of the innovations of petroleum fertilizers and mechanized farming of the 20th century, but that's also heading out the door. The last time humanity ever encountered a mass extinction cycle, our population was way smaller and we needed a lot less food to do it. To make our situation feasible would me to immediately kill off half of Earth's population at least, and switch to better farming practices immediately.
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