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Zeitgueist posted:How big a problem is minority kids ragging on each other for attempting to do schoolwork, would you say? Is it the root of minority underachievement? No. Socioeconomic status and poo poo schools are more the cause. Does it suck for the kid getting called Oreo? Yup. Anyway, this is a derail. My point was simply that saying "only" staunch republicans undervalue education is inaccurate.
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ActusRhesus posted:That speaking in absolutes is dumb because there will always be a counter example? I never said that aren't people besides GOP voters who are proud of ignorance. I'm more making fun of your really bad attempt at a counter.
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ActusRhesus posted:Is it the root of minority underachievement? No. Socioeconomic status and poo poo schools are more the cause. Does it suck for the kid getting called Oreo? Yup. Anyway, this is a derail. My point was simply that saying "only" staunch republicans undervalue education is inaccurate. Oh so you really meant "black" when you said minority.
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ActusRhesus posted:Sometimes you deliberately gently caress up an interpretation in order to bring it into alignment with your own perceptions. Your point appeared to be "yes, many black people and Latinos willfully mire themselves in ignorance, just like republicans." There's little difference.
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Why don't we just ban whites from being in the police? That should solve most of these problems.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The issue though is that all of this military hardware got paid for at some point and apparently industry lobbyists and ensuring that the government is required to buy X amount of stuff every year whether they need it or not. Given that our military spending is obscene what people are seeing is that we're spending poo poo loads of money arming the police just as heavily as we do soldiers when there are people going hungry. The defense companies are making money hand over fist while the rest of us get to foot the bill. And for what? So Sergeant Fatty McRacistpants can murder black people more efficiently. They are separate problems. The contracts exist to let military industrial shitlords sell more hardware. The cops getting their leftovers is just a side-effect, and if you stopped that from happening the government would just throw them all in a pit or whatever because the contract still says they have to buy X whatevers per year.
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Voyager I posted:They are separate problems. The contracts exist to let military industrial shitlords sell more hardware. The cops getting their leftovers is just a side-effect, and if you stopped that from happening the government would just throw them all in a pit or whatever because the contract still says they have to buy X whatevers per year. Works for me. Maybe even get a few pennies for scrap.
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Obdicut posted:Also harder to quantify. I know after 9/11 a bunch of supposed experts on The Islamic Terror got big bucks for giving lectures to cops and feds and stuff--their expertise turned out to be reading Krauthammer articles. How do you get in on this racket? More importantly, they won't be suspicious when you cite SomethingAwful Dot Com as your source, right?
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Obdicut posted:Also harder to quantify. I know after 9/11 a bunch of supposed experts on The Islamic Terror got big bucks for giving lectures to cops and feds and stuff--their expertise turned out to be reading Krauthammer articles. Link please, because that super owns.
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ActusRhesus posted:Is it the root of minority underachievement? No. Socioeconomic status and poo poo schools are more the cause. Does it suck for the kid getting called Oreo? Yup. Anyway, this is a derail. My point was simply that saying "only" staunch republicans undervalue education is inaccurate. ActusRhesus posted:See e.g. Minority students being accused of "acting white" for doing well in school. It appears that your point was that minorities place little value on education and decry those in their communities for placing a high value on education. Also account for the fact that your original statement was, "Minority students being accused of "acting white" for doing well in school." By reading that one can easily see it as an implication that minorities obviously scorn education. You also make it seem like it is an actual fact when really it is just some baseless rhetoric, that incidentally implies fault with minorities for not receiving equal levels of education. Agrajag fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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sugar free jazz posted:Link please, because that super owns. There was this dude: http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/11/terrorism.expert/ And Cristina Del Sesto, and Steve Emerson--Emerson claimed the entire town of Birmingham was now a Muslims-only enclave.
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Well this happened. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/04/14/399609170/chicago-plans-reparations-fund-for-victims-of-police-torture-in-70s-80s http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/chicago-to-make-5-5-million-in-reparations-to-police-torture-victims/ quote:(14 Apr 2015)
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Zeitgueist posted:Oh so you really meant "black" when you said minority. Good lord, what lengths will you go to in order to prove how stupid you are. Zeitgueist posted:How big a problem is minority kids ragging on each other for attempting to do schoolwork, would you say? Why don't you tell us, you have all the answers.
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ActusRhesus posted:Is it the root of minority underachievement? No. Socioeconomic status and poo poo schools are more the cause. Does it suck for the kid getting called Oreo? Yup. Anyway, this is a derail. My point was simply that saying "only" staunch republicans undervalue education is inaccurate. There's actually quite a difference between "undervalue and/or do not have access to education" and "openly hostile to the idea of being taught things." I went to high school with some white guys who were functionally illiterate and proud of it. Voyager I posted:They are separate problems. The contracts exist to let military industrial shitlords sell more hardware. The cops getting their leftovers is just a side-effect, and if you stopped that from happening the government would just throw them all in a pit or whatever because the contract still says they have to buy X whatevers per year. Not really. All this leftover military stuff laying around is leading people to go "well what do we do with this? gently caress I don't know, I guess the police can use it?" and it is arming police to the teeth. Sorry but one is ultimately directly causing the other which has been leading to an increasingly well-armed police force. The defense contractors are just lapping up the free money while anybody that says "Well I don't know, maybe we shouldn't be spending so loving much on tanks we don't even need" is labelled a coward. Cutting military spending is effectively impossible so we have the net effect of a police force that gets more heavily armed every year. And hey you give some boys new toys and they're going to want to play with them, right? It also doesn't help that a lot of people are also ex-military...you know, people that are literally trained to kill and told that the proper response to a threat is bullets? Then you consider that police culture often has a severe "us vs. them" attitude and you have this perfect shitstorm that is going to get worse before it gets better.
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What's funny is that the effect Actus is talking about is taught in any intro to racism class you'll see.
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Most cops are not ex-military. Only roughly 10 percent.
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tsa posted:What's funny is that the effect Actus is talking about is taught in any intro to racism class you'll see. Sure, and if you ever get beyond the intro level you might come to understand what sort of person never stops talking about it. That's the sort of person who'll bring it up when people are discussing republican stupidity; apropos of nothing, they will begin to prate on about self-destructive black culture.
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Obdicut posted:Also harder to quantify. I know after 9/11 a bunch of supposed experts on The Islamic Terror got big bucks for giving lectures to cops and feds and stuff--their expertise turned out to be reading Krauthammer articles. Sounds like a lot of those anti-Satanic cult seminars cops had deal with in the 80s/90s and that was just dudes making poo poo up.
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KomradeX posted:Sounds like a lot of those anti-Satanic cult seminars cops had deal with in the 80s/90s and that was just dudes making poo poo up. Or the cop convention in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
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SedanChair posted:Sure, and if you ever get beyond the intro level you might come to understand what sort of person never stops talking about it. That's the sort of person who'll bring it up when people are discussing republican stupidity; apropos of nothing, they will begin to prate on about self-destructive black culture. And what sort of person is that
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Republicans may be stupid, but do you know who is even stupider? THE BLACKS. I am a moderate centrist, that's how you know I am trustworthy. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Agrajag posted:It appears that your point was that minorities place little value on education and decry those in their communities for placing a high value on education. Also account for the fact that your original statement was, "Minority students being accused of "acting white" for doing well in school." By reading that one can easily see it as an implication that minorities obviously scorn education. You also make it seem like it is an actual fact when really it is just some baseless rhetoric, that incidentally implies fault with minorities for not receiving equal levels of education. No. My point was that there are some people who are not staunch republicans who also ridicule education. Never said it was representative of the general population. But...you know...if you want to pretend that no kid has ever experienced social stigma for "acting white" that's cool.
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Zeitgueist posted:I never said that aren't people besides GOP voters who are proud of ignorance. Was responding to toxic slurpee. Not everything is about you.
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FRINGE posted:Well this happened. Awesome, that means the guys getting disappeared now should expect a payout around 2050. PROgress
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Obdicut posted:Or the cop convention in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I have not watched nor read Fear and Loathing
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Arizona police cruiser sends gun-wielding suspect flying, skip to about 1:55 if you just want to see the impact. This page has an interview where the police chief defends the action saying not to "Monday morning quarterback" them, lol.
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:Arizona police cruiser sends gun-wielding suspect flying, skip to about 1:55 if you just want to see the impact. This page has an interview where the police chief defends the action saying not to "Monday morning quarterback" them, lol. Oh my sweet Jesus loving Christ thats, gently caress I don't even know what to say about that
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:Arizona police cruiser sends gun-wielding suspect flying, skip to about 1:55 if you just want to see the impact. This page has an interview where the police chief defends the action saying not to "Monday morning quarterback" them, lol. What the gently caress
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It's innovative if nothing else. Ramming vehicles during pursuits is nothing new, ramming human beings? Pretty sure that's a new one.
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:It's innovative if nothing else. Ramming vehicles during pursuits is nothing new, ramming human beings? Pretty sure that's a new one. But really, what brain surgeon thinks the response to a guy holding a gun to his head is to run him over?
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tezcat posted:Well police trying to murder a potential suicide victim isn't new. Someone who wants to indirectly pull the trigger.
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http://tucson.com/news/blogs/police-beat/marana-suspect-hit-by-police-car-id-d/article_d25f2a7e-bb97-11e4-ba50-df63e61754d4.html?id=201408quote:Mario Miranda Valencia, 36, is facing charges of discharging a firearm in city limits, aggravated assault on a police officer with a deadly weapon and shoplifting involving a firearm, according to a news release from Marana police. Haha, dude got ran over and he's getting charged with aggravated assault. Seems a bit strange to me.
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Terebus posted:http://tucson.com/news/blogs/police-beat/marana-suspect-hit-by-police-car-id-d/article_d25f2a7e-bb97-11e4-ba50-df63e61754d4.html?id=201408 Probably from him firing a random shot during his negotiations with the police.
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The other story said he shot in the air.
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Series DD Funding posted:The other story said he shot in the air. There was air between him and the police. Ergo, it was at the police.
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Oh those rascal "law enforcement" people! You dont do the job. You dont understand. They cant possibly obey the law... because. http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/04/lawyer-representing-whistle-blowers-finds-malware-on-drive-supplied-by-cops/ quote:Lawyer representing whistle blowers finds malware on drive supplied by cops Hey they looked at themselves and said "naw we wont charge ourselves its cool thanks though" and justice was done.
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Series DD Funding posted:The other story said he shot in the air. Assault by firearm doesn't require you to shoot the gun at all, much less at someone.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:There was air between him and the police. Ergo, it was at the police.
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Still seems like overkill for an officer to blast onto the scene like Mario Andretti having a seizure, and ram him (and a wall) from behind, while he's walking away from other officers who are already there and following him. It's not the first time I've seen a video of a cop running down a dude from behind though...at least the guy was actually armed this time.
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FRINGE posted:Oh those rascal "law enforcement" people! treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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