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Rent-A-Cop posted:Pointing a gun is enough for aggravated assault in Arizona. Thinking about maybe owning a gun some day while being black is probably enough for aggravated assault in Arizona.
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:It's innovative if nothing else. Ramming vehicles during pursuits is nothing new, ramming human beings? Pretty sure that's a new one. No real reason you can't use the car to knock him over, I suppose; and this one worked out in the end, since he probably ends up (justifiably) shot dead otherwise.
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Apr 15, 2015 08:49
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If the guy was armed and assaultive that seems reasonable. Looks dramatic certainly.
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Apr 15, 2015 09:21
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nm posted:Assault by firearm doesn't require you to shoot the gun at all, much less at someone. This. As for the Trojan article, wtf?????? Something similar happened at GITMO where defense counsel realized their interview rooms were bugged.
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Apr 15, 2015 11:16
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http://www.bluehogreport.com/2014/08/27/good-news-pedophiles-fspd-reserve-officer-can-help-you-beat-child-porn-charges/ More Ft. Smith Police computer unit shenanigans.
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Zwabu posted:
Yeah, that's how SC SLED works. It's basically a state-level "federal cops", above the county level. FRINGE posted:Well this happened. WAit, so does this include the recent revelations about the "black site," or is it something separate / older? If it's a settlement on the black site cases that's remarkably fast. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Apr 15, 2015 13:25
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:WAit, so does this include the recent revelations about the "black site," or is it something separate / older? If it's a settlement on the black site cases that's remarkably fast. In my attempts to get people to leave my job faster I have the Radio turned on a local news station that plays a Radio Program called "Ground Zero," and they were railing on about this, are those actually real? What's the story, just more "LOL 4th amendment" stuff again?
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Apr 15, 2015 14:23
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, that's how SC SLED works. It's basically a state-level "federal cops", above the county level. It's from the burge stuff from decades ago. Turns out you can't electrocute and beat people into concessions and not have to make a tiny settlement decades later. This dates back almost 50 years. mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Apr 15, 2015 14:37
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Anora posted:In my attempts to get people to leave my job faster I have the Radio turned on a local news station that plays a Radio Program called "Ground Zero," and they were railing on about this, are those actually real? What's the story, just more "LOL 4th amendment" stuff again? The Chicago PD has been accused of detaining and questioning people for hours without access to a lawyer. So far, no one has alleged physical abuse like the cases they just settled. The Guardian compared it to the CIA's "Black Sites" to hype the story, even though the CIA generally doesn't let you go the same day, among other differences. It's still super illegal and hosed up though.
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Apr 15, 2015 16:57
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Which is stupid because now it's all inadmissible. If you can't follow the law because it's the right thing to do can you at least do it for utilitarian self interest.
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Apr 15, 2015 17:18
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Dead Reckoning posted:The Chicago PD has been accused of detaining and questioning people for hours without access to a lawyer. So far, no one has alleged physical abuse like the cases they just settled. The Guardian compared it to the CIA's "Black Sites" to hype the story, even though the CIA generally doesn't let you go the same day, among other differences. It's still super illegal and hosed up though. It's not quite so much hype when one of the officers involved in it somehow went on to work in Guantanamo as an interrogator. The reporter wondering about that is how the story came to light. Perhaps Chicago should be forthcoming with information about the place in any way to dispel such notions. e: Also didn't at least one person die in custody? It also sounded like it was used, at least in part, to scare the gently caress out of people into giving officers actionable information to go after other people. Another not so hyped parallel with black sites. hobotrashcanfires fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Apr 15, 2015 17:40
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ActusRhesus posted:Which is stupid because now it's all inadmissible. If you can't follow the law because it's the right thing to do can you at least do it for utilitarian self interest. They can always just execute them.
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ActusRhesus posted:Which is stupid because now it's all inadmissible. If you can't follow the law because it's the right thing to do can you at least do it for utilitarian self interest. Not stupid if it works. May never get to trial, plus the exclusionary rule is getting constantly weakened by the Roberts court . . . I mean it was probably just testosterone not that kind of cynical forethought but it ain't like we're on a long arc trending towards liberty here.
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hobotrashcanfires posted:It's not quite so much hype when one of the officers involved in it somehow went on to work in Guantanamo as an interrogator. quote:e: Also didn't at least one person die in custody? It also sounded like it was used, at least in part, to scare the gently caress out of people into giving officers actionable information to go after other people. Another not so hyped parallel with black sites. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Apr 15, 2015 18:07
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Dead Reckoning posted:A lot of FBI guys did as well when they decided to turn the interrogations over to professional law enforcement in hopes of using them in court. When he was working there would matter. Letting someone die from a heroin overdose when http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naloxone exists is really loving cruel. You give someone a spritz of nasal spray and they live. Simple as that. To let someone in custody die of a heroin OD you basically have to watch them gradually stop breathing until they die and while you stand there and do nothing.
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Yeah I trust the Chicago PD about as much as my great aunt Myrta who burned down her trailer for the insurance money. When I was living there, they had some officer who was drunk driving killed someone and then the rest of the PD tried to cover it up, but I could be getting that confused because CPD officers are drunk driving pretty much all the time. And now this "we'll pay you 5million so we don't have to release the dashcam footage of us shooting a kid in the back" story should make you very fearful of living in Chicago especially while black.
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Dead Reckoning posted:A lot of FBI guys did as well when they decided to turn the interrogations over to professional law enforcement in hopes of using them in court. When he was working there would matter. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14936-2004Dec20.html "FBI Agents Allege Abuse of Detainees at Guantanamo Bay" FBI reports ranging well into 2004 alleging abuse. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/18/guantanamo-torture-chicago-police-brutality When Zuley took over the Slahi interrogation in 2003 – his name has gone widely unreported – he designed a plan so brutal it received personal sign-off from then-US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld. “The way that he approached interrogations at Guantánamo,” Fallon said, “if that’s any reflection of what he did in Chicago, it would not surprise me that he’s got a few issues going on right now.” e: So you know who Fallon is: Mark Fallon, the former deputy commander of Guantánamo’s now-shuttered investigative task force for the military commissions, said Zuley’s interrogation of Slahi “was illegal, it was immoral, it was ineffective and it was unconstitutional.” So yeah, he was there during the period the FBI themselves were reporting torture and abuse. Read the articles, I guess? hobotrashcanfires fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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DARPA posted:Letting someone die from a heroin overdose when http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naloxone exists is really loving cruel. You give someone a spritz of nasal spray and they live. Simple as that. To let someone in custody die of a heroin OD you basically have to watch them gradually stop breathing until they die and while you stand there and do nothing. or not have naxalone on hand
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:or not have naxalone on hand Call a paramedic who will have an overdose kit, or send an intern out to a local Walgreens or CVS? http://www.providencejournal.com/ne...e-overdoses.ece Naloxone is really that easy to get and use. edit: And in Illinois specifically: https://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=58142 DARPA fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Not stupid if it works. May never get to trial, plus the exclusionary rule is getting constantly weakened by the Roberts court . . . On fourth amendment they've been pretty pro defendant, actually. (And ftr, I agree)
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Even the Fox News guests are going after that guy. http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/04/former-prosecutor-says-cops-planting-evidence-on-people/ quote:Former District Attorney Arthur Aidala has appeared on Fox News many times as an expert they call in to discuss legal matters. But recently, the former Senior Assistant District Attorney for Kings County, New York said something the network didn’t like very much.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:or not have naxalone on hand Or just not look in the cell for an hour.
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http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1...97b03c6c04.html This entire story is amazing. Pretend I bolded the whole thing.
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quote:The sheriff’s deputy that certified Bates has moved on to work for the Secret Service, Glanz said during the radio interview. OBAMAAAAAA!!!! quote:Undersheriff Tim Albin has said the video cuts off after Harris was shot because the camera battery died. The video was filmed on a “sunglasses cam” purchased by Bates for the task force. Undersheriff Tim Albin should invest in lottery tickets.
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ozmunkeh posted:http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1...97b03c6c04.html Oh boy Eric Holder is gonna rent an apartment in that sheriff's rear end. Not only did they falsify this rich fucker's training records, they transferred three different supervisors who refused to do so. It'll be a bloodbath in there before this is over.
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Vahakyla posted:Most cops are not ex-military. Only roughly 10 percent. And iirc those are the ones with better trigger discipline.
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DARPA posted:Call a paramedic who will have an overdose kit, or send an intern out to a local Walgreens or CVS? http://www.providencejournal.com/ne...e-overdoses.ece Unless there is some specific US case I'm unaware off you're quite wrong about some of what you have written about OD prevention and Naloxon. 1. You barely ever use a nasal spray to treat a suspected opioid overdose, IV injection is the preferred route as it is much faster acting. It needs to be fast acting because: 2. You use naloxon to get a patient to start breathing again, that is also why nasal naloxon can fail as it needs a patient to breathe. 3. A comatose person that has stopped breathing is not a "send an intern out to a local Walgreens or CVS" kind of situation, its a call EMS situation. 4. The nasal naloxon is part of a program to get naloxon to drug addicts that refuse to call 911 as a possible rapid first line of treatment. It should never be considered as a replacement of calling 911. 5. Naloxon only helps so much, it will not revive someone that was perceived to be drunk and asleep but turns out to have also ingested copious amounts of heroin. I don't know how this person was treated, but even if the cops were adequately vigilant OD deaths can happen within 1 hour. A common occurrence in my local ED is drunks brought in by the police that take their entire stash of heroin while shuffling from the cops. If the cops miss this and the patient doesn't cooperate the normal but drunk and sleepy man can very suddenly slip away into a coma. Please goons, don't go out to find naloxon if you or someone around you OD's. Go call emergency medical services.
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“There aren’t any secrets in law enforcement. Zero. Those types of issues would have come up.” Had to double check that this wasn't the onion. Dude hosed up. He should have said he saw furtive movements at the waistband. He'd have walked. An accident is manslaughter.
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IAMNOTADOCTOR posted:Please goons, don't go out to find naloxon if you or someone around you OD's. Go call emergency medical services.  of course you shouldn't saunter down to Walgreens during a medical emergency. But if you are in a facility that expects a lot a drug users (like, I don't know, a secret prison?) send an intern to walgreens so you have Naloxone on hand. Just like you wouldn't go shopping on amazon for an AED while someone has a cardiac episode. You do that poo poo before hand if you care about the health and well being of the people at your facility.
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effectual posted:And iirc those are the ones with better trigger discipline. The military actually has rules of engagement and tries not to kill innocent people.
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IAMNOTADOCTOR posted:Unless there is some specific US case I'm unaware off you're quite wrong about some of what you have written about OD prevention and Naloxon. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/nyregion/anti-overdose-drug-becoming-an-everyday-part-of-police-work.html A nalaxone nasal spray was developed recently and has started being distributed to police departments for beat cops to carry. The idea is that it's easy to use even for a layperson and can be given immediately while medical help is still on the way. It's already saved a bunch of lives.
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 "April, 1976. A police officer in position in front of the Apollo hotel in Amsterdam, Netherlands, where a criminal has barricaded himself inside."
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Cichlid the Loach posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/nyregion/anti-overdose-drug-becoming-an-everyday-part-of-police-work.html That's pretty smart, I didn't know they started giving it to cops so thanks for that. The reason I hammer on calling EMS is that a lot of google educated recreational drug users buy naloxon and use it as a replacement for calling EMS when suspecting an overdoses. While it is a great working antidote, fact remains that even hospitals have opioid OD patients die while in their care. About the wallgreens: is naxolon already an over the counter drug in the US?
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Reminder that a guy ran a sherriff's campaign, bought him 5 cruisers, and would just call up the office like "hey guys what are you up to? Can I come?" and they would take him on undercover gun busts. Oh and they got rid of anybody who wouldn't fake his training hours. My!
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SedanChair posted:Reminder that a guy ran a sherriff's campaign, bought him 5 cruisers, and would just call up the office like "hey guys what are you up to? Can I come?" and they would take him on undercover gun busts. Oh and they got rid of anybody who wouldn't fake his training hours. In fairness please see the following list of goons who would NOT do this if they could: - - - - -MIGF
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Zeitgueist posted:The military actually has rules of engagement and tries not to kill innocent people. I remember reading an article several years ago where a US Army officer said that when it came to cornering someone inside a house in Iraq, he was literally under stricter rules of engagement than the cops are. The army would surround the house and basically wait the guy out, and more often than not the dude would surrender within like 24 hours. If I remember right, actually breaking into the house was considered extremely risky and a last resort, and he'd have to get permission from further up the chain of command to do so. Contrast with the cops where they're loving gung-ho about bashing the door in and throwing flashbangs and LARPing out their Tom Clancy Rainbow Six fantasies.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Contrast with the cops where they're loving gung-ho about bashing the door in and throwing flashbangs and LARPing out their Tom Clancy Rainbow Six fantasies. Sort of suggests a solution to the problem though.
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nm posted:“There aren’t any secrets in law enforcement. Zero. Those types of issues would have come up.” Well, his training was falsified...
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Rent-A-Cop posted:The contrast exists because cops are much less likely to be blown up by an IED or met with a hail of machine gun fire when kicking down a door. Don't you dare suggest that our boys in blue aren't in the most dangerous job in the world.
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IAMNOTADOCTOR posted:That's pretty smart, I didn't know they started giving it to cops so thanks for that. The reason I hammer on calling EMS is that a lot of google educated recreational drug users buy naloxon and use it as a replacement for calling EMS when suspecting an overdoses. While it is a great working antidote, fact remains that even hospitals have opioid OD patients die while in their care. fairly certain its not an over the counter for narcan yet but there are programs in certain states for easier access to it
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