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Lovechop posted:i'd kill to see flame poo poo on everyone in na though, just imagine what him or spirit would do to the entire league by themselves Flame or Spirit would dominate NA. You could put Spirit on Dignitas and they'd start winning.
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Jerkface posted:They just have to get enough points to join the play in. Lets assume that TSM wins summer, C9 is 2nd. TSM goes automatically, C9 wins most points. From that point on we have the 6th most points vs 5th most points, winner vs 4th most points, winner vs 3rd most points. Only fourth place and up gets points, IIRC. So they need to knock out one of the Forever Four to make worlds.
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Nope top six http://na.lolesports.com/articles/championship-points-unlocked-and-more-2015-lcs-changes
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Apr 15, 2015 20:53
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Transient People posted:Only fourth place and up gets points, IIRC. So they need to knock out one of the Forever Four to make worlds. Naw you get points for 5th and 6th. CLG & GV both have 10 points right now. You get 20 points for placing 5th/6th in summer, so displacing 1 of those teams means another team could snag a playin spot. pre:Place Spring Split Summer Split 1st 90 AQ 2nd 70 90 3rd 50 70 4th 30 40 5th-6th 10 20 7th-10th 0 0 Jerkface fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Apr 15, 2015 20:55
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I'm trying to imagine Flame playing nothing but Lulu for 10 straight competitive games and having a hard time deciding if he gets really loving mad about TSM starving him of resources, or somehow stomps everyone in NA on a utility Lulu build.
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Apr 15, 2015 21:01
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The funny thing is that, even though Flame was legitimately the best toplaner in the world for at least a year, I have no idea if he is anywhere near that level now.
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Apr 15, 2015 21:09
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Flameingblack posted:I'm trying to imagine Flame playing nothing but Lulu for 10 straight competitive games and having a hard time deciding if he gets really loving mad about TSM starving him of resources, or somehow stomps everyone in NA on a utility Lulu build. Dyrus himself has done it before. Flame totally could do it. Yuran M. Bazil posted:Nope top six Jerkface posted:Naw you get points for 5th and 6th. CLG & GV both have 10 points right now. You get 20 points for placing 5th/6th in summer, so displacing 1 of those teams means another team could snag a playin spot. Whoops, right you are. So to qualify for the seed championship, you just need to be among the six best teams of the LCS. That's a lot easier than I thought it would be, though admittedly there's a grueling road to the third seed after qualifying.
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Apr 15, 2015 21:10
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Flameingblack posted:It's a gimmick specifically for tanky toplaners who already have a decent engage/disengage without needs flash IE: Shyvana, Udyr and Shen, who benefit a whole lot from Cinderhulk in this meta and are strong duelists/counter junglers on their own, which makes them very strong in the current metagame as a dual jungler. Shen needs flash to have a hope of landing his taunt on the right people in teamfights (you could take it in place of TP/ignite though) and I don't think anyone plays top Udyr at all anymore (Udyr also needs flash or ghost or else he gets kited constantly). Hell, I think Monte was correct that playing Shen right now doesn't make sense at all. Shyvana and Hecarim are the two that make the most sense. Firebert fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Apr 15, 2015 21:10
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Jerkface posted:Naw you get points for 5th and 6th. CLG & GV both have 10 points right now. You get 20 points for placing 5th/6th in summer, so displacing 1 of those teams means another team could snag a playin spot. way too much whitepsace man, bring it back a lil' thanks
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Apr 15, 2015 21:12
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Firebert posted:Shen needs flash to have a hope of landing his taunt on the right people in teamfights and I don't think anyone plays top Udyr at all anymore (Udyr also needs flash or ghost or else he gets kited constantly). Shyvana and Hecarim are the two that make the most sense. I ended up playing Cinderhulk Shen top and eventually got so tanky the ADC was killing themselves on me and I was unkillable.
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Flameingblack posted:Shen and Udyr both have been used a bit in challenger solo queue, so I'm basing it off that and not how great it is competitively. Shy and Hecarim are probably the only two who would be running it in a competitive game. As a sidenote, since Shen has Q/W remakes or buffs incoming, I expect to see him become an unholy toplane or jungle terror soonish. Cannot wait for it to happen because he's one of the best loving champions in the game. 
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Apr 15, 2015 21:16
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Disinterested posted:Lust didn't like Blaze that much and Flame has a reputation for being domineering and demanding resources. I think it's a bad match tbh unless TSM really wants to become a topside oriented team, and right now the meta is botsided. I think it's more that THEIR meta is bot side not the meta in general (which is pushing more towards carry tops and utility adc's because of Cinderhulk). It's just that TSM push so hard with their bot focused team that it becomes a bit insane to think about a carry top on them (and dyrus' showings on carry top laners are... spotty this season). I'm surprised that Riot hasn't done anything about Rumble, thinking about carry toplaners. The guy is basically either picked or banned.
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Apr 15, 2015 21:21
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'Utility ADCs' is like the farthest thing from the truth ever, c'mon Calax. There's nothing utility about Jinx and Lucian who are once again all the rage, they're there to melt motherfuckers because nobody else kills tanks faster. Same for Urgot, really.
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Apr 15, 2015 21:32
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Calax posted:I think it's more that THEIR meta is bot side not the meta in general (which is pushing more towards carry tops and utility adc's because of Cinderhulk). It's just that TSM push so hard with their bot focused team that it becomes a bit insane to think about a carry top on them (and dyrus' showings on carry top laners are... spotty this season). No the game is not top centric at all right now in professional play, it's basically suboptimal to play a carry top style. Winning teams are almost all teams with a supportive top or a top who can play that style at least. Flame wants to freeze for 30 minutes and farm to win, not group for objectives early and take tp.
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Apr 15, 2015 21:39
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I'd qualify Jinx as a utility ADC because she has on-demand CC. That said, she has everything else too, so it doesn't really define her kit the way the same kind of skills define Varus and Ashe.
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Apr 15, 2015 21:39
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Hecarim says Hi from carrying teams around from the toplane... Also my "utility ADC" comment comes mostly from this where turtle mentions that things are so tanky now that he can't blow somebody up that fast he has to basically sit back and hang out on a utility unless the p/b's are designed to funnel everything into the bottom.
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Apr 15, 2015 22:06
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Did liquid and tip ever play out to determine who was fourth?
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Luna Was Here posted:Did liquid and tip ever play out to determine who was fourth? The fourth place games are Saturday, Finals are sunday.
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Apr 15, 2015 22:09
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Just wanted to know if the prophecy had been finalised with tsm in 1st and c9 2nd and curse/liquid in fourth
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Mic Check from the semi's. Includes XiaoWeiXiao singing, and TiP chanting TSM TSM TSM!
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Luna Was Here posted:Just wanted to know if the prophecy had been finalised with tsm in 1st and c9 2nd and curse/liquid in fourth Yeah we're pretty close to having the exact same finishers as last time.
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Transient People posted:As a sidenote, since Shen has Q/W remakes or buffs incoming, I expect to see him become an unholy toplane or jungle terror soonish. Cannot wait for it to happen because he's one of the best loving champions in the game. I expect him to be terrible and in severe need of buffs like Veigar and Zilean post rework. Riot has shown themselves to be VERY risk averse with their reworks. Q is probably a skill shot now but has +100 range.
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Apr 15, 2015 22:35
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Cinder hulk needs to be fwiggin destroyed and will be on the patch after the finals but before MSI in all likely hood haha.
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Hypocrisy posted:I expect him to be terrible and in severe need of buffs like Veigar and Zilean post rework. Yo, real talk, I'd take that instantly if it came with a damage increase for vorpal blade. Shen's pretty much fine already, his damage is just so amazingly lovely that you get brutally punished if you don't get a three or four man taunt to replenish all your bar instantly. Just giving him a bit more but more unreliable damage would be enough.
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Shen's trading in lane against some champions, however, is really good and Shen can actually all-in some people early game quite well.
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Disinterested posted:Shen's trading in lane against some champions, however, is really good and Shen can actually all-in some people early game quite well. Yeah, that's part of why Shen needs some tweaking. He's hard to straight buff as he is right now because the combo of not-actually-bad level 1-3 damage on a Q that can't miss, plus a heal, plus a shield, plus Ki Strike is a really overloaded thing for the early levels. Later on though, 195 (or was it 160?) damage from 450 range barely even tickles.
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Apr 15, 2015 23:06
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Shen would get lane swapped on so fast and hard you'd think he was Avalon
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Any Shen rework seems like a nightmare to do. Like TF, Riot needs to keep the rest of his kit lovely because of how powerful his ult is. And on top of that, they've said that they want to change him away from being a tank to a role that better suits his character design, which I'm guessing would be closer to a fighter like Yasuo than his current incarnation.
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Firebert posted:Any Shen rework seems like a nightmare to do. Like TF, Riot needs to keep the rest of his kit lovely because of how powerful his ult is. And on top of that, they've said that they want to change him away from being a tank to a role that better suits his character design, which I'm guessing would be closer to a fighter like Yasuo than his current incarnation. You're gonna have to source that quote, because the last thing I've seen about Shen is 'he's something you don't expect (tank ninja) but it makes a lot of sense, and we want to tweak him to make him more interesting to play with and against while keeping the highs of his kit (money dashes and teles)', coming from Riot Scruffy.
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Transient People posted:You're gonna have to source that quote, because the last thing I've seen about Shen is 'he's something you don't expect (tank ninja) but it makes a lot of sense, and we want to tweak him to make him more interesting to play with and against while keeping the highs of his kit (money dashes and teles)', coming from Riot Scruffy. Meddler said that "There's definitely some mismatch between his theme and his gameplay. Mechanically he's a health stacking tank who gradually grinds you down, bit of a contrast to his image as a 'traditional' looking ninja and the expectations of speed, damage, stealth, assassination etc that go with it. We'd aim to avoid such a mismatch if making him today" but then said that "he's got an established playstyle and players though so it's not necessarily appropriate to try and change that at this point". I don't buy that second part at all, just look at what they did with the Sion rework.
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Jesus christ Riv is even worse than usual on this PTL. "Hey supports are only meant to last hit", what the gently caress are you even talking about.
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Riv is an extremely racist asian caricature of a white man that has been brought to life and given a job as an eSports caster.
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fnox posted:Jesus christ Riv is even worse than usual on this PTL. "Hey supports are only meant to last hit", what the gently caress are you even talking about. I think the reason they keep him around is because he's so comfortable on camera and willing to anchor that stuff. I love the great escape by Balls and C9's reactions. From Reddit translation of Inven quote:Translated from an interview on Inven: Calax fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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fnox posted:Jesus christ Riv is even worse than usual on this PTL. "Hey supports are only meant to last hit", what the gently caress are you even talking about. He's making a joke.
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Not sure about the Alex Ich sub in, I really hope that he doesnt go to TDK permanently though, I want Misfits to work.Sexpansion posted:Also, Roccat chose CWA (low land lions) so Giants will get Reason Gaming. Are you sure about Roccat? I thought LLL/CWA were pretty good aside from being smashed by Origen, but I think Origen is markedly better than Roccat (they actually do things) Overpow is way worse than Soaz too so Morsu might have a chance to do something and maybe carry. Also Roccat picked up MYM's coach for some reason?!
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YamatoCannon seemed like a smart guy whenever they had him on the desk this split, even if he was seemingly born without a sense of humour. I'd be willing to believe it's a positive move for the team. I hope Roccat isn't doesn't think a change in coaches will solve all their problems, though - they could probably do with excising the whole team except Vander and Jankos and rebuilding from the ground up, IMO. Speaking of coaches on the analyst desk, any particular reason NA didn't do this? I enjoyed hearing what the different coaches had to say about things in EU. Pr0lly, Dentist and Leviathan are just plain good personalities to have around in the land of players who sound like they've never talked to a human being face to face before, not to mention it's good to have someone with actual insight on the desk rather than, say, Quikshot. Wol fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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Typical Pubbie posted:Riv is an extremely racist asian caricature of a white man that has been brought to life and given a job as an eSports caster. Nah, Riv is the Joe Buck of LoL casters.
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Wol posted:YamatoCannon seemed like a smart guy whenever they had him on the desk this split, even if he was seemingly born without a sense of humour. I'd be willing to believe it's a positive move for the team. I hope Roccat isn't doesn't think a change in coaches will solve all their problems, though - they could probably do with excising the whole team except Vander and Jankos and rebuilding from the ground up, IMO. I think its because EU lost all their announcers so they dont have enough people, literally, to analyze on the desk. NA has too many color commentators. Kobe, Jatt, Phreak, Zirene can all do color. Its also probably because NA coaches don't speak any english. I don't get this YamatoCannon guy being some hot get when he is like 12 years old. I kind of side with the Monte side of coaching where coaches should be old enough to have some kind of life experience based authority over the players.
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Firebert posted:Meddler said that "There's definitely some mismatch between his theme and his gameplay. Mechanically he's a health stacking tank who gradually grinds you down, bit of a contrast to his image as a 'traditional' looking ninja and the expectations of speed, damage, stealth, assassination etc that go with it. We'd aim to avoid such a mismatch if making him today" but then said that "he's got an established playstyle and players though so it's not necessarily appropriate to try and change that at this point". I don't buy that second part at all, just look at what they did with the Sion rework. They could probably tweak Shen, but I feel like Sion is the definition of a champion that needed a kit and theme rework and the Riot created successful outcome. It seriously felt like they got rid of a lovely beta champion and replaced it with a brand new one.
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