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Ignite Memories
Feb 27, 2005

Wait, did people ITT really think that churches were like, always full of people? How would that even work? What would they be doing there?

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Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

Ignite Memories posted:

Wait, did people ITT really think that churches were like, always full of people? How would that even work? What would they be doing there?

I think it's time someone took these people to church.

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

Ignite Memories posted:

Wait, did people ITT really think that churches were like, always full of people? How would that even work? What would they be doing there?

I've always thought it was kind of hilarious how much otherwise viable building space sits idle for ~90% of the work week. I'm sure renting it out to local business owners would gently caress up religious tax exemptions, but drat if there isn't a ton of lost utility through only using a church on Sunday morning/afternoon (and maybe a few hours during the week). Basically, I want to run my office out of the local Catholic church; client interviews in a pew would be awesome.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

1redflag posted:

I've always thought it was kind of hilarious how much otherwise viable building space sits idle for ~90% of the work week. I'm sure renting it out to local business owners would gently caress up religious tax exemptions, but drat if there isn't a ton of lost utility through only using a church on Sunday morning/afternoon (and maybe a few hours during the week). Basically, I want to run my office out of the local Catholic church; client interviews in a pew would be awesome.

Please tell me you would be interviewing clients who want payday loans.

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe

1redflag posted:

I've always thought it was kind of hilarious how much otherwise viable building space sits idle for ~90% of the work week. I'm sure renting it out to local business owners would gently caress up religious tax exemptions, but drat if there isn't a ton of lost utility through only using a church on Sunday morning/afternoon (and maybe a few hours during the week). Basically, I want to run my office out of the local Catholic church; client interviews in a pew would be awesome.

Big churches make a ton of money. Like they give a poo poo if it's empty during the week. As long as they get that sweet, sweet cash on the weekends they're fine.

The pastor of the biggest church in the US bought a 10 million dollar house. And I think his church was robbed recently for like half a mil and that was just the offerings from one weekend.

What's funny about churches in movies is there's always a priest in the church ready to talk to the main character about their problems. Yeah, no. There's not some dude waiting around all the time for people to come in. My dad was a maintenance engineer for a big church and 90% of the time during the week there was nobody but maintenance staff overseeing the church.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

The TV show characters just don't go outside of the priest's hours then.

Actually in Daredevil specifically, twice you see him waiting outside the church for the priest to show up.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

1redflag posted:

I've always thought it was kind of hilarious how much otherwise viable building space sits idle for ~90% of the work week. I'm sure renting it out to local business owners would gently caress up religious tax exemptions, but drat if there isn't a ton of lost utility through only using a church on Sunday morning/afternoon (and maybe a few hours during the week). Basically, I want to run my office out of the local Catholic church; client interviews in a pew would be awesome.

They do rent the basements out. I know churches hold meetings, youth organizations, food pantry's, and other things. I also know that the churches I went to priests live near them or given living space connected to the church.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

I actually taught until very recently at a church that donates space to non-profits like mine. It's not in the big worship center, but almost all the rooms outside of that are doing something during the week.

old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!

Zaphod42 posted:

I forget which episode exactly but its part of that whole character arc where Hank is feeling really worthless as an agent. He goes into some really seedy looking bar and intentionally picks a fight with some guy and then pulls his badge and either storms out or arrests the guy, its been awhile. But he definitely goes into a bar and picks a fight at some point.

It started after nearly getting blown up by Danny Trejo's head. He gets PTSD and panic attacks and feels useless as an agent.
Some time passes, him and Gomez goes to a bar, eyes up some bikers, who may or may not be possessing. The reason he goes to his car is to leave his gun and badge, to suggest that he's not acting as an agent, but as a loving angry man that needs to get release from his personal poo poo.

Just wanted to clear that bit up.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

bobkatt013 posted:

They do rent the basements out. I know churches hold meetings, youth organizations, food pantry's, and other things. I also know that the churches I went to priests live near them or given living space connected to the church.

The priest lives in the rectory.

You go and visit the priest in his rectory.

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004

Henchman of Santa posted:

That's not really what I'm complaining about though. I'm thinking of "My life is in shambles but I can't literally beat myself up so I'm gonna get wasted and have some dude punch me in the face."

It's more specifically about men who feel they need to be as masculine as possible and what happens when they are unable to appear as manly as they want to. Like Hank in Breaking Bad, here's a supercop DEA agent who's loud, brash, tough, racist, and entirely full of himself, but he is also suffering from PTSD from his experience in El Paso. He avoids returning to El Paso and hides his PTSD and even tells his wife, when she suggests therapy, that he can't ever do that because "once you go down that road" you can't advance professionally. He's completely unable to appear unmanly for even a second, so when he is unable to perform his professional duties as he sees them he attempts to reclaim his masculinity in other ways, such as instigating a bar fight. Men wanting to appear hypermasculine and doing things to achieve that happens constantly in real life, though not always so dramatically as a t.v. show cop.

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out

bobkatt013 posted:

They do rent the basements out. I know churches hold meetings, youth organizations, food pantry's, and other things. I also know that the churches I went to priests live near them or given living space connected to the church.

AA meetings and similar. The church I go to has at least one twelve-step meeting there every night.

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

AlbieQuirky posted:

AA meetings and similar. The church I go to has at least one twelve-step meeting there every night.

Yes, but I want to run my divorce law practice out of the chapel.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Van Dis posted:

It's more specifically about men who feel they need to be as masculine as possible and what happens when they are unable to appear as manly as they want to. Like Hank in Breaking Bad, here's a supercop DEA agent who's loud, brash, tough, racist, and entirely full of himself, but he is also suffering from PTSD from his experience in El Paso. He avoids returning to El Paso and hides his PTSD and even tells his wife, when she suggests therapy, that he can't ever do that because "once you go down that road" you can't advance professionally. He's completely unable to appear unmanly for even a second, so when he is unable to perform his professional duties as he sees them he attempts to reclaim his masculinity in other ways, such as instigating a bar fight. Men wanting to appear hypermasculine and doing things to achieve that happens constantly in real life, though not always so dramatically as a t.v. show cop.

Yeah but I don't think that's necessarily the motivation for the specific scenes I'm talking about. In Shameless a couple of weeks ago, for example, a minor character's ex-wife had just moved to a different state and he had been denied the chance to move there to be near his son. He goes to a bar with Fiona and laughs after letting a dude pound his face in, and then I'm pretty sure he literally says that he just wanted to feel something. The Six Feet Under sample is similar.

These characters aren't emasculated, but they just experienced major loss and blame themselves. They aren't really "picking fights" - they don't even fight back.

Frostwerks
Sep 24, 2007

by Lowtax

DrBouvenstein posted:

The priest lives in the rectory.

You go and visit the priest in his rectory.

Will he repay the favor?

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out

1redflag posted:

Yes, but I want to run my divorce law practice out of the chapel.

Running a divorce law practice out of the twelve-step meetings would probably be more lucrative.

mustard_tiger
Nov 8, 2010

Henchman of Santa posted:

That's not really what I'm complaining about though. I'm thinking of "My life is in shambles but I can't literally beat myself up so I'm gonna get wasted and have some dude punch me in the face."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuDSdx_YHck

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Frostwerks posted:

Will he repay the favor?

I don't have a rectory.

mostlygray
Nov 1, 2012

BURY ME AS I LIVED, A FREE MAN ON THE CLUTCH

Phanatic posted:

There's a common one in horror movies that bugs me.



That's the ship's engine. In-universe, it's supposed to be a completely innocuous thing, it makes the ship go. But because this is a horror movie, and the ship needs to be evil, the engine has to visually look like something that just exudes an aura of ickiness and "gently caress that poo poo, I'm waiting for the next ship."

Seriously, look at that thing. Even beyond the random spiky projections all around that would, like, hurt you real bad if you slipped and fell, and the multiple unscreened moving parts that would mangle you in at least three different axes if you hit some turbulence at speed, even the lighting is really poo poo. You can't just have a shitload of fluorescent overheads to make it easy to see? No, you can't, because it's a horror movie and you need all sorts of dark shadowy alcoves for poo poo to jump out at you. It's just an *engine*, it doesn't need to *look* like an object of nameless dread.

It'd be like if in the movie _Christine_, Artie's character lifts up the hood, and instead of a 5.2-liter V8, the car is powered by a severed human head, or a bucket of dead cats or something, and nobody else in the film is bothered by this.

You've clearly never seen the horror that is old equipment. A lot of it is truly terrifying. Watch how every moving part is exposed as the combine passes the camera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7AKE_021sA

I couldn't find a good video of the header on the combines I used to run as a kid, but they make the Event Horizon engine look positively safe. First there's the take-up reel, then the slicey knives, then the spiky part that pulls the stalks towards the slicey auger part that draws everything to the center where the stabby part smashes everything up to bring it into the shaky part that separates grain from chaff and then the other part that kind of looks like raptor claws that draws out the chaff at the tail.

One of my jobs as a kid old used to be, "If Dad falls into the header while re-processing chaff, disengage the header clutch" It takes about 10 seconds to stop. Just enough time to get to the stabby bits, but his legs might have been salvageable. Just not his head.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

mostlygray posted:

You've clearly never seen the horror that is old equipment. A lot of it is truly terrifying. Watch how every moving part is exposed as the combine passes the camera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7AKE_021sA

I couldn't find a good video of the header on the combines I used to run as a kid, but they make the Event Horizon engine look positively safe. First there's the take-up reel, then the slicey knives, then the spiky part that pulls the stalks towards the slicey auger part that draws everything to the center where the stabby part smashes everything up to bring it into the shaky part that separates grain from chaff and then the other part that kind of looks like raptor claws that draws out the chaff at the tail.

One of my jobs as a kid old used to be, "If Dad falls into the header while re-processing chaff, disengage the header clutch" It takes about 10 seconds to stop. Just enough time to get to the stabby bits, but his legs might have been salvageable. Just not his head.

The job of a combine harvester is to rip and break stuff, so of course its going to be a little intimidating. Any macerator or wood chipper would be too. But a ship's drive engine? Engines usually aren't nearly so bad. There's some with exposed pistons or huge metal chains for belts which would easily rip off a hand or something if you lost it in them, but they're not exactly covered in spikes like an HR Geiger painting.

Even that harvester you linked, which is designed to smash stuff and would gently caress you up good if you got run over by it, doesn't look half as intimidating as the EH's core.

I'm with Phanatic on this one.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Zaphod42 posted:

The job of a combine harvester is to rip and break stuff, so of course its going to be a little intimidating. Any macerator or wood chipper would be too. But a ship's drive engine? Engines usually aren't nearly so bad. There's some with exposed pistons or huge metal chains for belts which would easily rip off a hand or something if you lost it in them, but they're not exactly covered in spikes like an HR Geiger painting.

Even that harvester you linked, which is designed to smash stuff and would gently caress you up good if you got run over by it, doesn't look half as intimidating as the EH's core.

I'm with Phanatic on this one.

Most engines work on the principle of "use the expansion of hot gasses to harness the chemical energy of fuel" and not "punch a hole in the universe", though.

Medieval Medic
Sep 8, 2011

Frostwerks posted:

Will he repay the favor?

He'll visit your kids rectum.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Most engines work on the principle of "use the expansion of hot gasses to harness the chemical energy of fuel" and not "punch a hole in the universe", though.

I always just figured it was using some weird fields, and the spinny spirally deals to generate or control said fields.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Captain Monkey posted:

I always just figured it was using some weird fields, and the spinny spirally deals to generate or control said fields.

I always assumed it was powered by cool.

an overdue owl
Feb 26, 2012

hoot


designed by the devil and powered by the dead

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

an overdue owl posted:

designed by the devil and powered by the dead

With quality assurance by Glenn Danzig.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


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Bill Dungsroman
Nov 24, 2006

Breaking Bad's Hank owns, he was my favorite character.

The fourth wall stuff in House of Cards is funny because a lot of it is Spacey's character's paranoid, skewed, selfish take on what's going on and he's often not entirely accurate. My real gripe about the show is aside from Spacey's character being a serial killer, it's absurdly unlikely the former VP would have ever stepped down from being VP. No politician would do that unless they were involved red-handed in a heinous scandal of some sort.

With Daredevil the thing that bothered me was the use of that tired convention where the masked hero can wear a mask over just part of his face and talk in his normal voice and interact with someone close to him who fails to recognize him whatsoever. Also for a very intelligent crime mastermind like Fisk and his lawyer, both did some really dumb things at times later in the season, all the more glaring because how well they handled matters earlier in the season.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Bill Dungsroman posted:

Breaking Bad's Hank owns, he was my favorite character.

:hfive:

I thought he would just be the token buffoon, but I ended up absolutely loving his character development. Dean Norris totally sells it.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

Bill Dungsroman posted:

The fourth wall stuff in House of Cards is funny because a lot of it is Spacey's character's paranoid, skewed, selfish take on what's going on and he's often not entirely accurate. My real gripe about the show is aside from Spacey's character being a serial killer,

Wait, what?! When the hell did that happen, I only watched up to I think the peach episode and I don't really remember much of it.

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Ryoshi posted:

Wait, what?! When the hell did that happen, I only watched up to I think the peach episode and I don't really remember much of it.
Peter Russo and Zoe Barnes.

Medium Style
Oct 11, 2002

Frostwerks posted:

Will he repay the favor?

Might give you a preacharound.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
Daredevil (the netflix one) bugged me because they somehow or another turned the Kingpin of Crime into some weird autistic aspergery awkwardly mumbley heavy breathing fat guy instead of the loving KINGPIN OF CRIME.

Spoilering this cause it's vaguely sorta spoilery
Seriously, in the comics and even the cartoons the dude was just like an evil Frank Sinatra who had plans and poo poo. In the netflix show he's just this weird loving awkward loser guy, not the guy you'd imagine being in charge of any massive crime family. Maybe in charge of his dad's hardware store. He sounds like he's 10 seconds away from an asthma attack when he's speaking chinese.

I was also kinda let down with the lack of a "Radar sense vision" cgi thing, but I guess it kinda makes a weird form of sense with how they explain the whole thing.

Kingpin though, that poo poo is unforgivable. Fucker didn't even wear a white suit with a cravat or have a diamond tipped pimp cane. What the gently caress Marvel? Not even a callback or an easter egg for it?

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Wilson Fisk is not the Kingpin and he will sue you for slander if you continue to make accusations.

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
vaCatioN




Lipstick Apathy
Because the season was his "origin story", he's not there yet but he's on the way.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Daredevil (the netflix one) bugged me because they somehow or another turned the Kingpin of Crime into some weird autistic aspergery awkwardly mumbley heavy breathing fat guy instead of the loving KINGPIN OF CRIME.

Spoilering this cause it's vaguely sorta spoilery
Seriously, in the comics and even the cartoons the dude was just like an evil Frank Sinatra who had plans and poo poo. In the netflix show he's just this weird loving awkward loser guy, not the guy you'd imagine being in charge of any massive crime family. Maybe in charge of his dad's hardware store. He sounds like he's 10 seconds away from an asthma attack when he's speaking chinese.

I was also kinda let down with the lack of a "Radar sense vision" cgi thing, but I guess it kinda makes a weird form of sense with how they explain the whole thing.

Kingpin though, that poo poo is unforgivable. Fucker didn't even wear a white suit with a cravat or have a diamond tipped pimp cane. What the gently caress Marvel? Not even a callback or an easter egg for it?


They mentioned that a man in a white suit seduced Vanessa. The dude had a plan, but Daredevil caused it to be hosed up.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Daredevil (the netflix one) bugged me because they somehow or another turned the Kingpin of Crime into some weird autistic aspergery awkwardly mumbley heavy breathing fat guy instead of the loving KINGPIN OF CRIME.

Spoilering this cause it's vaguely sorta spoilery
Seriously, in the comics and even the cartoons the dude was just like an evil Frank Sinatra who had plans and poo poo. In the netflix show he's just this weird loving awkward loser guy, not the guy you'd imagine being in charge of any massive crime family. Maybe in charge of his dad's hardware store. He sounds like he's 10 seconds away from an asthma attack when he's speaking chinese.

I was also kinda let down with the lack of a "Radar sense vision" cgi thing, but I guess it kinda makes a weird form of sense with how they explain the whole thing.

Kingpin though, that poo poo is unforgivable. Fucker didn't even wear a white suit with a cravat or have a diamond tipped pimp cane. What the gently caress Marvel? Not even a callback or an easter egg for it?


I largely agree and see where you're coming from, but the series, for me, was basically saying "this is how these two become the guys from the comics." Daredevil doesn't get his suit until the last episode, and Kingpin doesn't realize, in his own words, that he's the "ill intent" until he's under arrest. For Wilson, that's the moment when he breaks from his good intentions and realizes what he really is. Up until then he's still laboring under the delusion that he's a good guy who does bad things today for a better tomorrow.

Also, one thing I noticed is that it was Vanessa who wore white most, and was a driving force for his character. They may have been playing with that. And he's wearing white in prison. :haw:

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
Yea, it just bugged me cause in the comics, and pretty much every form of media he's shown up in, dude is this big force of nature.

In the show, he's just this whiny, wheezy fat guy with a temper problem.

The guy playing Ben knocked it out of the loving park though. Foggy was surprisingly awesome as well.

The show was great, and I can't wait for season 2 (Cmon stilt man!) but drat they way they handled Fisk bugged me. It had the start of something cool, with the OMG DON'T SAY HIS NAME OR ELSE YOUR WHOLE FAMILY WILL DIE threats, especially the dude willing to kill himself rather than have everyone he knows and loved killed thing going on, which DID make the character seem pretty much like the comics, but then they hosed it all up with how they handled him later in the series.

I just don't buy that this wheezy fat mumbling awkward guy can rise to the top of any crime family except MAYBE by birth, and even then it's just still a bit of a reach. It's like they took the Fisk from the Punisher series where he was just a stooge for the main families until he killed everyone and rose to power, except left out that plot thing.

Just, irrationally irritated me I guess.

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord
You need viewers to be able to relate to the villain on some level so they made him an awkward asthmatic nerd, like the audience.

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A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

It's like they took the Fisk from the Punisher series where he was just a stooge for the main families until he killed everyone and rose to power, except left out that plot thing.

The Punisher's version of Fisk is so drat good, though. He's a force of nature, and even though he only appeared as that series was nearing its end, that short period of time somehow managed to be both the best origin and the best end you could give that character.

It's like the complete opposite of how the tv series presents the Kingpin, though.

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