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Fried Chicken posted:The Western Conservative Summit is one of the bigger gatherings of the right, with a bunch of influential people gathering there. Among those scheduled to speak at the upcoming one are Walker, Carson, Santorum, Fiorina, Huckabee, and Perry. So, GOProud disbanded after getting shunned by CPAC something like 5 years in a row, right? What's the over/under that LCR is going to disband before the next midterms?
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AlternateNu posted:So, GOProud disbanded after getting shunned by CPAC something like 5 years in a row, right? What's the over/under that LCR is going to disband before the next midterms? LCR is almost 40 years old and despite the shouting bigot minority the Republican party is becoming more gay friendly not less.
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Apr 16, 2015 16:15
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zoux posted:LCR is almost 40 years old and despite the shouting bigot minority the Republican party is becoming more gay friendly not less. What has the GOP done to be more gay friendly? I feel like I missed something.
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Apr 16, 2015 16:17
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Joementum posted:Quote of the morning, "Charles and David Koch are well known for their business success, their generous philanthropic efforts and for their focus on innovation in management. Some also know them for their activism in the political realm. All of these are important contributions to society. What is underappreciated is their passion for freedom and their commitment to ideas. Unlike many crony capitalists who troll the halls of Congress looking for favors, the Kochs have consistently lobbied against special-interest politics." ~ Rand Paul I know its a lie, but weren't the Kochs found giving money o a organization that chiefly lobbies for oil subsidies?
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Apr 16, 2015 16:18
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zoux posted:LCR is almost 40 years old and despite the shouting bigot minority the Republican party is becoming more gay friendly not less. Every major Republican presidential candidate came out in support of Indiana's RFRA law, which would have allowed businesses to discriminate against gay customers.
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Apr 16, 2015 16:19
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DaveWoo posted:Every major Republican presidential candidate came out in support of Indiana's RFRA law, which would have allowed businesses to discriminate against gay customers. Yeah that's called "pandering to the loud bigot minority" but in terms of general rhetoric and nationwide opinion, the RNC can see which way the wind is blowing. If they passed the Indiana law in 2006, they sure as poo poo wouldn't be backing away from it and promising to reform it like they are now. There has been a sea change in public opinion regarding gay rights in the last 10 years and while there are plenty of shitheads remaining, the smart money is on gay marriage becoming a thing and a number of prominent republicans have "evolved" on gay rights.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the morning, "Charles and David Koch are well known for their business success, their generous philanthropic efforts and for their focus on innovation in management. Some also know them for their activism in the political realm. All of these are important contributions to society. What is underappreciated is their passion for freedom and their commitment to ideas. Unlike many crony capitalists who troll the halls of Congress looking for favors, the Kochs have consistently lobbied against special-interest politics." ~ Rand Paul  Just when I thought I couldn't possibly despise Randy any more than I already do.
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DaveWoo posted:Every major Republican presidential candidate came out in support of Indiana's RFRA law, which would have allowed businesses to discriminate against gay customers. All while denying it has anything to do with gay people. They're still terrible about GLBT issues, but they have to be more canny now that homophobia is becoming less palatable.
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Apr 16, 2015 16:22
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Rexicon1 posted:What do you call it when you can use words that have very specific meanings in any form you'd like for any purpose you'd like including using it in the most ironic possible manner? "Death of Language"? Newspeak TBH.
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zoux posted:Yeah that's called "pandering to the loud bigot minority" but in terms of general rhetoric and nationwide opinion, the RNC can see which way the wind is blowing. Then why still do it? Going from weekly f**-drags to supporting RFRA doesn't scream LGBT friendly to me. Edmund Lava posted:All while denying it has anything to do with gay people. They're still terrible about GLBT issues, but they have to be more canny now that homophobia is becoming less palatable. Seriously it's why dog-whistle is a thing. They can still be closeted homophobes.
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Edmund Lava posted:All while denying it has anything to do with gay people. They're still terrible about GLBT issues, but they have to be more canny now that homophobia is becoming less palatable. They felt it was worth the effort to use dog whistle with regard to talking about black Americans and policies concerning the theft of Whites wealth distributed to them. LGBT people get no such subtleties. They'll make it pretty clear what they think and how, non-hetero people may as well be in ISIS.
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The question was "are Log Cabin Republicans on the way out" and my response is that the voices within the GOP that were fine with kicking GOProud out of CPAC aren't as dominant in the party anymore, meaning that LCR isn't going anywhere. I'm not trying to say that they are great on LGBT issues or whatever, they aren't. But they are better than they were when the RNC was using gay rights as a wedge issue to drive social values voters to the polls in 02-06.
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Apr 16, 2015 16:28
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The Civil Rights Act has passed, and because of it racism is over.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the morning, "Charles and David Koch are well known for their business success, their generous philanthropic efforts and for their focus on innovation in management. Some also know them for their activism in the political realm. All of these are important contributions to society. What is underappreciated is their passion for freedom and their commitment to ideas. Unlike many crony capitalists who troll the halls of Congress looking for favors, the Kochs have consistently lobbied against special-interest politics." ~ Rand Paul It appeals to Rand Paul's Libertarian side. Money talks 
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WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: Abolish the office of Vice President and appoint Joe Biden Maester of the Realm, a new office held for life. Whitehouse.gov posted:We ask President Obama to support a constitutional amendment that abolishes the office of Vice President and creates a new office, held for life, called Maester of the Realm. The Maester would be a scholar and healer who would serve the United States and advise the President no matter who holds that office. Make it happen, goons.
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What the fuckity gently caress.
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zoux posted:The question was "are Log Cabin Republicans on the way out" and my response is that the voices within the GOP that were fine with kicking GOProud out of CPAC aren't as dominant in the party anymore, meaning that LCR isn't going anywhere. I'm not trying to say that they are great on LGBT issues or whatever, they aren't. But they are better than they were when the RNC was using gay rights as a wedge issue to drive social values voters to the polls in 02-06. This narrative doesn't seem to have any evidence supporting it.
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amanasleep posted:WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: No thanks.
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SedanChair posted:This narrative doesn't seem to have any evidence supporting it. http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/gay-marriage-republican-party-stance-20150327 quote:Support for gay marriage has grown by 11 percentage points among Republicans since 2011, according to Alex Lundry, a pollster for Project Right Side, a group created by one of the most influential, openly gay men in the party, former Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman. "The Republican Party is fast approaching a majority on support of gay marriage," Lundry says. "I want to be clear: We're not at that yet. But we're getting there."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vudnMLzZjTg Rand Paul 2016!
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I'm all for Biden being Maester of the realm if he has to wear a cool robe and walk with an ornate staff.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Log Cabin Republicans are LGBT people that desperately want to join the "gently caress the Poor" club, but can't accept that pandering to ignorant bigots is a core strategy of the Republican Party. There's a similar thing going on in Canada, where the gradual acceptance of gay marriage and the Conservative PM being more or less silent on social issues has encouraged a whole new group of gay FYGM types to openly advocate for the Conservative Party's regressive policies vis-a-vis other groups. You'd think being part of a minority group that's suffered systemic discrimination would give one a degree of empathy towards other disempowered groups, but such is after all the very definition of "gently caress You Got Mine".
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PhilippAchtel posted:Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Log Cabin Republicans are LGBT people that desperately want to join the "gently caress the Poor" club, but can't accept that pandering to ignorant bigots is a core strategy of the Republican Party. A lot of people care more about their bank accounts than their civil rights. I got in a huge argument with my Republican gay uncle about this one time, and I was baffled that he would support a group that thinks he's a disease. SedanChair posted:Got anything other than pariah Ken Mehlman's poll? You got any counter evidence?
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SedanChair posted:Got anything other than pariah Ken Mehlman's poll? History? The gay rights debate is following the same route as interracial marriage, its unlikely that a ban or someone opposed to it will win the White House, considering polls are showing even Evangelicals are starting to come over to the side of being okay with gay marriage.
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Y'all do recognize that the GOP slowly coming around on gay marriage is a good thing right? It may not mean that they cleave to their terribly regressive views until they die fiery deaths in your accelerationism fantasies and be punished for their sins, but it does mean that your friends and family members will get more and more equality under the law as it becomes less acceptable to demonize gay rights in public rhetoric.
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zoux posted:Y'all do recognize that the GOP slowly coming around on gay marriage is a good thing right? It may not mean that they cleave to their terribly regressive views until they die fiery deaths in your accelerationism fantasies and be punished for their sins, but it does mean that your friends and family members will get more and more equality under the law as it becomes less acceptable to demonize gay rights in public rhetoric. Its really not because it makes raising money from the gay lobby and gay interests that much more difficult for Democrats.
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zoux posted:Y'all do recognize that the GOP slowly coming around on gay marriage is a good thing right? It may not mean that they cleave to their terribly regressive views until they die fiery deaths in your accelerationism fantasies and be punished for their sins, but it does mean that your friends and family members will get more and more equality under the law as it becomes less acceptable to demonize gay rights in public rhetoric. Right. I don't think anyone here believes the GOP is anything but a party of screaming bigots, but the fact that they have to use dog whistles when we had sodomy laws being enforced 16 years ago is still progress.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-15/bloomberg-politics-national-poll-finds-deep-partisan-split-on-israel-and-iranquote:Republicans by a ratio of more than 2-to-1 say the U.S. should support Israel even when its stances diverge with American interests, a new Bloomberg Politics poll finds. Democrats, by roughly the same ratio, say the opposite is true and that the U.S. must pursue its own interests over Israel's. 
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SedanChair posted:Got anything other than pariah Ken Mehlman's poll? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...o-gay-marriage/ caveat: I have read the article but not the underlying poll.
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-15/bloomberg-politics-national-poll-finds-deep-partisan-split-on-israel-and-iran I really can't understand this logic at all. I mean I can get that they like ultra right wing Bibi over Obama, that makes sense. However the idea that Israel should be a priority over their own country is crazy to me, especially from people that roll themselves up in the Ultra Patriot persona.
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Radish posted:I really can't understand this logic at all. I mean I can get that they like ultra right wing Bibi over Obama, that makes sense. However the idea that Israel should be a priority over their own country is crazy to me, especially from people that roll themselves up in the Ultra Patriot persona. The only moral God drat America is... It is a curious divergence to their usual hypernationalist rhetoric, likely the evangelical side of the party overriding the flag pin brigade.
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Radish posted:I really can't understand this logic at all. I mean I can get that they like ultra right wing Bibi over Obama, that makes sense. However the idea that Israel should be a priority over their own country is crazy to me, especially from people that roll themselves up in the Ultra Patriot persona. If a Republican made the deal the GOP side would look very different, it's just generic Obama hate. The Democrat side would look the same cuss let's face it Schumer manages to stay elected in perpetuity.
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Gonna laugh at all of you "Trollbama Best Obama " folks when he trolls you with the TPP.
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OK, you guys check in with me about 6 more months into the election cycle. We'll see what the candidates have worked themselves around to saying about gay rights. e: Amergin posted:Gonna laugh at all of you "Trollbama Best Obama The rear end-fuckings are a given at this point. We just like it when he fucks people other than us every once in a while.
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Amergin posted:Gonna laugh at all of you "Trollbama Best Obama Yeah that really sucks but it's not that surprising from Obama.
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Amergin posted:Gonna laugh at all of you "Trollbama Best Obama Yeah, that's pretty lovely. But more money for the plutocrats always comes first. Why can't he do something like the NAU instead.
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-15/bloomberg-politics-national-poll-finds-deep-partisan-split-on-israel-and-iran Out of curiosity, are there any good numbers on what % of Americans consider themselves Democrats vs Republicans in TYOOL 2015?
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Amergin posted:Gonna laugh at all of you "Trollbama Best Obama He's still doing great trolling work with that, its just trolling the non-rich.
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