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"Would you help me kill a man?"
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Apr 15, 2015 12:07
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Jesus. Fanart in response to this chapter ain't pulling punches.
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Apr 15, 2015 13:19
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This is a beautiful, moving piece of art. I didn't expect that when I clicked. Would click again.
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Apr 15, 2015 13:28
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Wittgen posted:Jesus. Fanart in response to this chapter ain't pulling punches. Daaaaaaaamn  pro click
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Apr 15, 2015 14:45
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I think this page is sorta a breather compared to the others since a lot of us called this exact conversation happening. Also for the umpteenth time, Annie was wearing that dress at the beginning of Red Returns, so while it's similar enough to be weird, it's not like she's wearing her old hospital stuff.
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Apr 15, 2015 14:51
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Wittgen posted:Jesus. Fanart in response to this chapter ain't pulling punches. Ahahaww Ysengrin.
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Apr 15, 2015 15:19
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Brightman posted:Also for the umpteenth time, Annie was wearing that dress at the beginning of Red Returns, so while it's similar enough to be weird, it's not like she's wearing her old hospital stuff.
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Apr 15, 2015 15:30
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Nettle Soup posted:
Release the Seraphim "Fly my winged
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Apr 15, 2015 15:42
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Rumda posted:After she had been stewing for six weeks alone waiting for her father to come back for her, I'm not sure what your point is. A lot of people have been acting like it's literally the dress from the hospital. Did you read what I said? I wasn't refuting that it was weird, just that it's not the same dress.
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Apr 15, 2015 16:36
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Brightman posted:I think this page is sorta a breather compared to the others since a lot of us called this exact conversation happening. If you don't think it's fully intentional to reference the hospital in both those, I have no idea whose comic you have been reading
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Apr 15, 2015 16:38
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Fried Chicken posted:If you don't think it's fully intentional to reference the hospital in both those, I have no idea whose comic you have been reading It's literally in the first panel of narration on that page yeah
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Apr 15, 2015 16:44
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Ditocoaf posted:Kat, Kat's parents, Jones, Eglamore, Renardine and Ysengrin all have their flaws, but together they make a much better support structure for Annie than her father appears to be remotely capable of. Yeah, I'm gonna say that a lovely a dad as Anthony is, he's still a better dad than the guy who tried to murder Annie twice.
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Apr 15, 2015 17:06
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Patrick Spens posted:Yeah, I'm gonna say that a lovely a dad as Anthony is, he's still a better dad than the guy who tried to murder Annie twice. Ya, Anthony is a much better dad. He's only tried to murder Annie once. (sarcasm)
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Apr 15, 2015 17:10
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Fried Chicken posted:If you don't think it's fully intentional to reference the hospital in both those, I have no idea whose comic you have been reading a medical mystery posted:It's literally in the first panel of narration on that page yeah What the hell. Okay, let me rephrase that slightly. Brightman posted:I think this page is sorta a breather compared to the others since a lot of us called this exact conversation happening. I pointed out it was weird, I get it, but no one seemed to read that part of the post. I forgot to say "literally", sorry. Enough people were acting like it was the exact same outfit so I thought it warranted pointing out, because if it was the exact same outfit that'd be a little bit more hosed up, like 5% more hosed up, I dunno.
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Apr 15, 2015 17:24
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Brightman posted:Enough people were acting like it was the exact same outfit
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Apr 15, 2015 17:37
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I think it gets the point across even if it's not literally the dress from when she was tiny
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Apr 15, 2015 17:44
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Patrick Spens posted:Yeah, I'm gonna say that a lovely a dad as Anthony is, he's still a better dad than the guy who tried to murder Annie twice. Oh, I wouldn't claim that Ysengrin is a remotely fit subsitute-dad himself, I wasn't saying that. I was saying that in aggregate, with all the various people in her life contributing something (and helping protect her from each other), she found a support structure that's really great. Even Ysengrin was a positive influence at select times (like when she was recovering from the trauma of discovering the nature of her mother's death). Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Apr 15, 2015 19:05
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Well, Kat's take on the homework situation seems to be going better than Reynard's did a while back - now we just need the other shoe to drop on Friday to get this chapter back on track. Destination: MISERY
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Apr 15, 2015 19:10
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Patrick Spens posted:Yeah, I'm gonna say that a lovely a dad as Anthony is, he's still a better dad than the guy who tried to murder Annie twice. Not really, though; and that's the most hosed-up thing about Annie's life Like, who are Annie's father figures:
It's a three-way race to the bottom and it's a wonder Annie isn't even more of a mess than she is
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Apr 15, 2015 19:10
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Ysengrin only was dangerous to Annie because Coyote hosed with his brain. Not that he isn't still dangerous, but it's a worthwhile distinction, I think. In a better situation he could be a legit good mentor/father figure.
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Apr 15, 2015 19:16
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Ysengrin is pretty hosed up, but when he's in his own right state of mind, he cares quite a bit for Annie. He's still sort of a father figure, just one with a severe mental disability. It's not a lot different from my friend's mom, who loves her kids when she's herself and says horrible, hateful things when her meds aren't working. And Ysengrin and Renard's first murder attempts were before they got to know her, so they don't really speak for how they've come to feel about and treat her.
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Apr 15, 2015 19:17
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Apr 15, 2015 19:23
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Ysengrin's pretty drat lovely, he wouldn't shy from killing someone he doesn't respect. He's only good to Annie because she's earned his respect, but he literally tried to kill her before it got to that point.
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IronicDongz posted:Ysengrin only was dangerous to Annie because Coyote hosed with his brain. He was fully in control of his faculties the first time he tried to kill her, and I honestly don't know how much of his reaction the second time was Coyote's mindfuckery and how much was his (by all accounts legitimate and long term) hatred of humans. I mean, I agree that Ysengrin is more likable than Anthony, because literally everyone is, but he (and any group of parental figures that includes him) is a really bad dad.
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Apr 15, 2015 21:06
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The first time might well count against him as a bad person, but not really as a bad dad? He was attacking someone who'd just insulted and attacked his boss, a member of an organization he considered to be an enemy. He wasn't in any way mistreating someone for whom he was responsible or a father figure to. Attacking her later on though, that definitely is, but he... didn't really seem in control of himself, considering afterwards (for a short time) he didn't understand what he'd done or why and seemed confused and ashamed. So I'm not sure how much it directly reflects on him.
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neogeo0823 posted:Her whole world literally broke. It was split apart and smashed to bits by her dad, and she thinks he did no wrong. That is some serious brainwashing/denial/mental conditioning there. Like, drat. Turns out Annie copying Kat's work all these years didn't weigh lightly on her. Even with trips to the Forest, bursting into flame and flowers in her hair, Antimony keeps a lot bottled up. She's more open with Kat than anyone else, but there was still guilt and shame she kept hidden from her closest friend. Donny Dons told her that for his friend the smallest things carried the heaviest weight. Is it too far to believe it's the same way with Annie? I think after the catharsis of dealing with Kat's forgiveness, acceptance and unconditional friendship that Annie will be receptive to the idea Papa might not always know best (eventually). There might even be an intervention of sorts from her other friends. If nothing else, I think Donny would try to convince Andrew of another course to take since he values Annie's friendship with his daughter.
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Apr 15, 2015 22:35
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Next scene: Bird-Alistair cooked up on Anthony's dinner table like a turkey.
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Apr 15, 2015 22:37
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This page is proof that Annie hasn't learned any lessons from the previous two times she's thought herself on the wrong side of Kat. I'm impressed she managed to get her hair cut, being denser than Jones and all. Plus on Kat for setting her straight again.
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Patrick Spens posted:He was fully in control of his faculties the first time he tried to kill her, and I honestly don't know how much of his reaction the second time was Coyote's mindfuckery and how much was his (by all accounts legitimate and long term) hatred of humans. I mean, I agree that Ysengrin is more likable than Anthony, because literally everyone is, but he (and any group of parental figures that includes him) is a really bad dad. Coyote has been messing around in Ysengrin's brain for a long time. It's hard to say that anything Ysengrin does is not Coyote's fault.
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Rand Brittain posted:Coyote has been messing around in Ysengrin's brain for a long time. It's hard to say that anything Ysengrin does is not Coyote's fault. Are you saying that Ysengrin's love for, and desire to impress, a being that seemingly does not care for him and manipulates his emotions is leading him to make choices that have devastating consequences for those he interacts with?
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Dammerung posted:Are you saying that Ysengrin's love for, and desire to impress, a being that seemingly does not care for him and manipulates his emotions is leading him to make choices that have devastating consequences for those he interacts with? Love makes people act in strange ways. As does erasing their memories of the strange things they've done in the past and the results thereof.
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This comic should be renamed "Little Annie and the Bad Dads." I really hope some actual good comes of this, like a reconciliation or something warm and fuzzy.
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Apr 16, 2015 02:23
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I'm glad Annie is accepting this with some grace. It's not easy to admit that you've been messing up for years and it's nice to see her respond with maturity.
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Hypocrisy posted:I'm glad Annie is accepting this with some grace. It's not easy to admit that you've been messing up for years and it's nice to see her respond with maturity. This only applies to the grades situation, and it's an incredibly drastic measure (and a dick move) that does damage to her social growth and friendships. Any responsible adult would probably have her stay in the same grade and make up the coursework through after-school tutoring until she's caught up. Everything else done by Anthony has been spiteful. Moving her away from her social connections, cutting her off from her employment and tutelage on her powers, flat-out stealing her father figure away from her and altering her appearance have all been abusive, unnecessary behaviors. He's an abusive parent, hands down. She shouldn't be accepting this with grace, she should be looking for a solution, but due to her underlying father issues it's probably going to be up to her friends to help her see that.
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I wonder if the Donlans or someone have legal grounds to claim Annie as a ward since Anthony essentially abandoned her for four years, that'd be a good step towards blocking his influence.
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mr. stefan posted:I wonder if the Donlans or someone have legal grounds to claim Annie as a ward since Anthony essentially abandoned her for four years, that'd be a good step towards blocking his influence. The trouble with this is that in order to move forward they'll have to be willing to completely abandon their friendship with Anthony, which is probably going to make it hard for them to see that it needs to be done.
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I kinda feel like this last page is setting it up for Annie and Kat to reconcile too easily so I wonder what the conflict is going to be from here on out? Annie and Kat working behind the scenes to undo Anthony's influence?fiver posted:is it weird that i find annie super attractive now without makeup and shorter hair? I don't even like hentai dawg 
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himajinga posted:I kinda feel like this last page is setting it up for Annie and Kat to reconcile too easily so I wonder what the conflict is going to be from here on out? Annie and Kat working behind the scenes to undo Anthony's influence? Kat tells Annie to just run to the forest and not come back to the court, maybe?
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mr. stefan posted:Kat tells Annie to just run to the forest and not come back to the court, maybe? Oh that would be something, maybe after they have the convo about Rey and bring their concerns to the court higher ups who sides unequivocally with Tony?
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