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Haha what europe is corrupt as gently caress and only getting worse. US style "lobby" bribery is becoming more and more common.
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Baronjutter posted:Haha what europe is corrupt as gently caress and only getting worse. US style "lobby" bribery is becoming more and more common. You're surprised Americans are behind the times on global politics?
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Apr 15, 2015 21:58
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This thread is about America's Asian-Fusion Europe. Our corruption is blatant and obvious but it's mistaken for incompetence instead of the huckster game it actually is.
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Apr 15, 2015 22:44
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RuanGacho posted:This thread is about America's Asian-Fusion Europe. Our corruption is blatant and obvious but it's mistaken for incompetence instead of the huckster game it actually is. In glorious Soviet Cascadia, there will be no corruption, all will work in the field gatehering hops for the Tsar Bomba NWPA.
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Apr 15, 2015 23:48
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reading posted:Yet all the humans in Europe manage to avoid having legalized bribery! They even send their prime ministers to prison when they break the law!
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Apr 16, 2015 00:15
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foobardog posted:In glorious Soviet Cascadia, there will be no corruption, all will work in the field gatehering hops for the Tsar Bomba NWPA. My folks can provide tomatoes and lettuce for lunch time BLTs made with locally and humanely raised bacon!
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Apr 16, 2015 01:22
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I just finished the Seattle march for $15 statewide, pretty good, then at the end a dozen people got arrested to protest Seattle Uni not supporting their teachers. I'm curious, what good does getting arrested do? It was just a sit-down then calmly walk with the police arrest too.
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Apr 16, 2015 02:26
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reading posted:Anytime you find yourself thinking "Well, it'd be great if we could implement this progressive policy, but companies would just find a loophole so we shouldn't even try" just remind yourself that it is 100% possible to find and close all loopholes and prevent all these shenanigans and actually write a really good law that works and then enforce it. Salary caps aren't a good law, they're a feel good measure. If you want to mandate good policy, just pay workers more. It's not hard.
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effectual posted:I just finished the Seattle march for $15 statewide, pretty good, then at the end a dozen people got arrested to protest Seattle Uni not supporting their teachers. I'm curious, what good does getting arrested do? It was just a sit-down then calmly walk with the police arrest too. It's about making a statement - this is important to us enough to get arrested for. Lots of responsible protests (Working Washington is nearly always good about this) will actually plan the arrest with the police ahead of time - the group organizing the protest will have identified who is to be arrested ahead of time and they'll talk with the police about this is where the people to arrest will be, here's how many there will be, here's what they're going to do to warrant arrest, here's the lawyer that will ride along to the station with them and keep an eye on things, that kind of stuff. If the protesters are cool about it and the police are cool about it, you make your point and you avoid violence, the police give them some time to block traffic or civilly disobey or whatever before making the arrest so they can make their stand, the arrested folks get processed and released promptly and smoothly back at the station, it's just better for everyone involved.
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Apr 16, 2015 04:24
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gohuskies posted:It's about making a statement - this is important to us enough to get arrested for. I'm not sure I see the point when "important enough to get arrested for" has value in "things you can wow grandkids with" and literally nothing else at this point. Its a waste of both protester and police resources now too. If its routine and compassionate enough that it can be prearranged it ignores the whole essence of the thing. Either the establishment is sympathetic enough to be humane and work with you or they're not threatened enough that working with you doesn't matter to them. It doesn't even get you a blurb on the local news anymore half the time.Its no longer MLK's civil rights era.
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Apr 16, 2015 15:32
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FRINGE posted:And in Iceland they even managed to imprison criminal *gasp* bankers. The nation of Iceland has a smaller population than the city of Portland. As fond as I am of Iceland, keep in mind that they are hardly a typical nation.
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Awwww I live in North Seattle - District 5 and I just got my first city council door knocker. Some dude named Sandy Brown. I'm kind of annoyed about how obsessive he is about safety. Seattle is the safest city i've ever lived in. There's honestly nothing to be scared of around here and he put his whole emphasis on it. I hope its just a fluke or there are better alternatives.
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Tigntink posted:Awwww I live in North Seattle - District 5 and I just got my first city council door knocker. Some dude named Sandy Brown. I'm kind of annoyed about how obsessive he is about safety. Seattle is the safest city i've ever lived in. There's honestly nothing to be scared of around here and he put his whole emphasis on it. I hope its just a fluke or there are better alternatives. I'm stuck with either Jean Godden, or an old, white dude. I'm voting old, white dude because I refuse to vote for anyone who voted for the tunnel. District 7 has it the worst, having only Sally Bagshaw to vote for. Districts 3 and 6 are at least easy; Kshama Sawant and Mike O'Brien are the two stand-outs for the council. Nick Licata is passable, but retiring. Remember not to vote for Tim Burgess for the at-large seat; that guy is a huge fucker. He's in the pocket of SPOG and the DSA moreso than pretty much any of the other candidates, which is loving saying something. gently caress that guy.
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Apr 17, 2015 05:57
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gohuskies posted:It's about making a statement - this is important to us enough to get arrested for. ...is this satire?
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CaptainSarcastic posted:The nation of Iceland has a smaller population than the city of Portland. It is irrelevant because the citizens of both countries wanted essentially the same thing. It is relevant because the US has its size, geography, and day-to-day desperation used against it in order to ignore what the citizens want. 
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Republicans posted:...is this satire? tellers say of a beforetime when the tests weren't just another way fer th iggies t' boot us
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Republicans posted:...is this satire? It's Poe's Law Leftist edition. Or maybe populists' edition.
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Apr 17, 2015 07:36
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Republicans posted:...is this satire? A lot of liberal organizations have gotten super collaborative with the people they're supposedly trying to battle. See also: union leadership partnering with corporations, environmental organizations trying to stop grassroots initiatives, and a bunch of worried hand-wringing about Democrats followed by unconditional support of them. Taking the "disobedience" out of "civil disobedience" is just part of that. Probably all of the protestors who got arrested decided it was worth it prior to the event, but I know for at least the organization I'm part of they certainly didn't call up the cops ahead of time to let them know.
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Apr 17, 2015 11:10
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So how about that WA state auditor? Seems like a bit of a dick. I was at the federal courthouse when he turned himself in yesterday. I didn't see the actual thing I was either walking through the lobby a couple minutes early or a couple minutes late but that place is normally a graveyard and there were tons of press yesterday.
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Apr 17, 2015 16:31
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A baby got shot and a the freeway is literally filled with bees. Nobody cares about a little political corruption.
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Apr 17, 2015 16:46
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oxbrain posted:A baby got shot and a the freeway is literally filled with bees. Nobody cares about a little political corruption. Not just shot, but shot in the face.
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Apr 17, 2015 17:25
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oxbrain posted:A baby got shot and a the freeway is literally filled with bees. Nobody cares about a little political corruption. I am awaiting the anti bee spill protests.
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Apr 17, 2015 17:34
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oxbrain posted:A baby got shot and a the freeway is literally filled with bees. Nobody cares about a little political corruption. Along with the guy who fell asleep in the cargo hold of an airplane, its been a weird couple of days.
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Seattle is the new Florida.
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Trust the bees.
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Apr 17, 2015 20:03
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Semi-related because I love union talk, but the IAM discontinued their vote at the Boeing South Carolina plant because their organizers faced significant hostility. A few supporters had guns pointed at their head when they went door-to-door. Gotta love the south!
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Ernie Muppari posted:bees? BEADS.
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seiferguy posted:Semi-related because I love union talk, but the IAM discontinued their vote at the Boeing South Carolina plant because their organizers faced significant hostility. A few supporters had guns pointed at their head when they went door-to-door. Gotta love the south! not really surprising, especially when they IAM was decertified *right* before boeing bought that facility from Vought/GA. funny how that happened right before they got their purchase in.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:BEADS. BEADS?!
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How far north does California's drought go? Does it have a strong effect on say Redding, CA, or southern Or?
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Bad Mr Frosty posted:How far north does California's drought go? Does it have a strong effect on say Redding, CA, or southern Or? This seems to be a pretty good map http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/ The far tip of California's north coast is somewhat OK and continues to receive rain, otherwise the drought continues across the state. I assume the part of Oregon on the map is the drier parts of Oregon already, and wouldn't have the same impact on agriculture like in CA.
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Pervis posted:
Yeah, the red areas there are desert already; Medford might be affected but not nearly to the same degree as parts of California.
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Apr 19, 2015 19:21
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Medford is in the "moderate" shaded area. All that means is our annual month of rain was shorter than usual.
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Bad Mr Frosty posted:How far north does California's drought go? Does it have a strong effect on say Redding, CA, or southern Or? Snowpack on mount hood is only at 24% of average. Snowpack at mountains in the cascades is also way below average. Things are OK now because precipitation has been close to average; it just wasn't snow. The effects won't be felt until the drier summer months when water levels are dependent on snowmelt.
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seiferguy posted:Semi-related because I love union talk, but the IAM discontinued their vote at the Boeing South Carolina plant because their organizers faced significant hostility. A few supporters had guns pointed at their head when they went door-to-door. Gotta love the south! The same thing happened for deep south Volkswagon plants even though Volkswagon management in pro-union, so it's not surprising.
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So speaking of the California drought it looks like we might be shipping some of our water down, some people are even talking about a pipeline. http://www.adn.com/article/20150414/long-anticipated-bulk-water-exports-sitka-start-summer-businessman-says
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Hasters posted:So speaking of the California drought it looks like we might be shipping some of our water down, some people are even talking about a pipeline. A pipeline just isn't cost effective. The best solution to California's water issues is mass conservation by those who use(waste) it the most: the farmers.
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There's a lot of conspiracy theorists in Canada who think "the world" is going to invade canada "for our water" but isn't water fairly hard to transport over long distances cost-effectively? I can't remember the reasons, but oil flows very differently from water when in a pressurized pipe which is why we don't have huge water pipelines like we do oil pipelines. That and outside of Dubai, oil is worth a bit more. If water became expensive enough that it would be economical to pipe down from Canada to California big-ag would already be hosed.
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Hasters posted:So speaking of the California drought it looks like we might be shipping some of our water down, some people are even talking about a pipeline. William Shatner is already on it.
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