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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:We did with hurricane and flooding relief in PA. Either you put "None" or the odd looter under the enemy paragraph. That should probably change, then and this is a perfect example of why. In a highly visible, politically sensitive situation having the actual military come in from out of town and refer to US persons as "enemy" is going to cause exactly this problem. Especially if that military force has some white supremacist issues.
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Stultus Maximus posted:That should probably change, then and this is a perfect example of why. In a highly visible, politically sensitive situation having the actual military come in from out of town and refer to US persons as "enemy" is going to cause exactly this problem. It's the title of the section of the OPORD format. It's there for threat assessment. And if you're calling in the military, there's obviously some sort of threat. In reality, it's because the Guard just copy and pastes 90% of their OPORDs and just change the places, dates, etc. as needed instead of writing entirely new ones every time.
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This is kinda funny because, if I remember right, the NG was pretty restrained in handling the protests. The shitheads were the County Sheriff, playing with their new toys. They teargassed a loving camera crew that wasn't even close to protestors. E: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqqp_LAVklA Completely forgot that they got caught on camera, taking down the cameras after they tear gassed the crew. goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Apr 17, 2015 |
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Slim Pickens posted:I can always just buy more beer, you can't buy your dignity back. You already joined the military. O.o
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Stultus Maximus posted:That should probably change, then and this is a perfect example of why. In a highly visible, politically sensitive situation having the actual military come in from out of town and refer to US persons as "enemy" is going to cause exactly this problem. Are you retarded?
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Stultus Maximus posted:That should probably change, then and this is a perfect example of why. In a highly visible, politically sensitive situation having the actual military come in from out of town and refer to US persons as "enemy" is going to cause exactly this problem. It's a template that has been widely used for a long rear end time now. Besides that, it's just semantics. Change "Enemy" to "Threats" if that sits better with people, when commanders sit down and figure out MET-TC or whatever the acronym is now they're going to separate cvilian threats from the civilian considerations portion and lump it into planning for an enemy.
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OZYMANDICKASS posted:Are you retarded? USMC503 posted:You already joined the military. O.o
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bitcoin bastard posted:This is kinda funny because, if I remember right, the NG was pretty restrained in handling the protests. The shitheads were the County Sheriff, playing with their new toys. They teargassed a loving camera crew that wasn't even close to protestors. would stand in tear gas yelling " gently caress you police, this weak poo poo aint nuff'n gimme some more "
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Stultus Maximus posted:Do they use the same language and op order in providing tornado relief? Yes.
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OZYMANDICKASS posted:Are you retarded? Because I think that things like humanitarian assistance and MSCA missions are different enough from military operations that they should have different planning and execution? Do you not understand that use of military on American soil with civilians is inherently a politically sensitive action and needs to take that into account?
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"it's been done that way forever!" is never a defense for anything. Hooray for its longevity, maybe it's time to change it. I 100% understand the reasoning behind it, but would changing it to "Opposing Forces" be so bad? Hell, OPFOR is already a thing.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Because I think that things like humanitarian assistance and MSCA missions are different enough from military operations that they should have different planning and execution? I understand that the military is a giant loving organization in which standardization is of huge importance. Several others have already explained why the word "enemy" appears on these orders. If someone isn't able to parse the reasoning behind it, maybe that's on them? The National Guard getting called into town means somebody hosed up. Stop complaining about the lipstick on the pig. Don't feign stupidity on behalf of others. It isn't constructive.
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pretty sure having those standards is the retarded thing
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OZYMANDICKASS posted:I understand that the military is a giant loving organization in which standardization is of huge importance. Several others have already explained why the word "enemy" appears on these orders. If someone isn't able to parse the reasoning behind it, maybe that's on them? there's a news article where people were freaking about the NG doing armed patrols in california neighborhoods when it was just a road march. not relevant to what you are saying but i thought it was funny.
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Cole posted:there's a news article where people were freaking about the NG doing armed patrols in california neighborhoods when it was just a road march. not relevant to what you are saying but i thought it was funny. Wait.. a MARCH?! That just sounds so ... MILITANT. We really gotta do something about the language used by the people we pay to murder browns in defense of capitalism.
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Cole posted:there's a news article where people were freaking about the NG doing armed patrols in california neighborhoods when it was just a road march. not relevant to what you are saying but i thought it was funny. It's kind of relevant because it's not on the civilian population to understand military bureaucracy. It's on the military to adapt their bureaucracy when interacting with civilians.
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Stultus Maximus posted:It's kind of relevant because it's not on the civilian population to understand military bureaucracy. It's on the military to adapt their bureaucracy when interacting with civilians. Oh, I didn't realize the national guard distributed the OPORDs press release style to the people of Ferguson. My bad.
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OZYMANDICKASS posted:Oh, I didn't realize the national guard distributed the OPORDs press release style to the people of Ferguson. Even in internal stuff we keep switching between "Sea of Japan" and "East Sea" because of political sensitivity so 
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All enemies, foreign and domestic.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:"it's been done that way forever!" is never a defense for anything. Hooray for its longevity, maybe it's time to change it. I 100% understand the reasoning behind it, but would changing it to "Opposing Forces" be so bad? Hell, OPFOR is already a thing. Opposing Forces is used in some templates. The Situation paragraph is supposed to provide information on MET-TC factors. It's kept generally the same everywhere so that everyone can understand it. With that being said, criminal activity is oftentimes placed under the civil considerations subparagraph so yeah.
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The final solution is to nuke Ferguson from orbit.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Because I think that things like humanitarian assistance and MSCA missions are different enough from military operations that they should have different planning and execution? Son of Thunderbeast posted:"it's been done that way forever!" is never a defense for anything. Hooray for its longevity, maybe it's time to change it. I 100% understand the reasoning behind it, but would changing it to "Opposing Forces" be so bad? Hell, OPFOR is already a thing. 
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late to the party but on the air travel thing i think presenting my cac card should be a red flag for tsa because it is official documentation i am a dumb idiot and may very well have done something numbskull like regarding my luggage
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That NG march video was just posted in the conspiracy thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj7efDgGRH0 The comments are glorious. 
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e: That's a lovely source, and after looking around with finding any real verification, I can't keep that story up. Disregard.
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Larry Parrish posted:All enemies, foreign and domestic.
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All enemies, brown and browner.
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USMC503 posted:The final solution is to nuke Ferguson from orbit. Get rekt bitch
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Lazy Reservist posted:All enemies, brown and browner. I'd re-enlist yesterday if they let us take this oath as a blood oath / violent and homicidal group suicide pact in a properly militant enough ceremony prominently featuring alcohol and the otherizing of.. Others. The whole sexual assault leniency thing needs to be less implied and more directive in the enlistment oath IMHO.
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Also Brown and Browner is the working title for my ISIS themed buddy Romcom I'm hoping to have casting ready by fall. It's set in an Islamic broke back mountain, which is of course all Islamic mountains, and is a pretty big sausage fest cast wise but the second act is full of boypussy and goat meat. And is exactly why there's no smell-o-vision.
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Third World Reggin posted:pretty sure having those standards is the retarded thing No, you're thinking of Missouri.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Because I think that things like humanitarian assistance and MSCA missions are different enough from military operations that they should have different planning and execution? The MDMP is equally applicable regardless of the nature of the mission. Yes, the use of the military on US soil is politically sensitive, however when troops show up with no weapons to fight a forest fire or provide tornado relief or what the gently caress ever the citizens need to stop being hypersensitive fucklords. As for "white supremacist issues" a few soliders here and there are not "White supremacist issues" of the whole force.
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Kiryen posted:The MDMP is equally applicable regardless of the nature of the mission. Yes, the use of the military on US soil is politically sensitive, however when troops show up with no weapons to fight a forest fire or provide tornado relief or what the gently caress ever the citizens need to stop being hypersensitive fucklords. lol no, National Guard is significantly more retarded than even regular Army.
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Stultus Maximus posted:lol no, National Guard is significantly more retarded than even regular Army.
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Kiryen posted:still does not excuse the citizenry freaking out over semantics. I see you have zero concept of the topic, so I'll just leave you alone.
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Stultus Maximus posted:I have zero concept of the topic, so I'll just leave you alone. You do that.
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Stultus Maximus posted:lol no, National Guard is significantly more retarded than even regular Army. Having worked with both, and I'd say the rate of retardation is about equal. The only difference is National Guard soldiers are in worse shape and know what it's like to not be treated like a child on a day to day basis.
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Baloogan posted:Enemy Forces Should have been done long ago.
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psydude posted:Should have been done long ago. It was. Citing events from 40 years ago as evidence of present problems means you're ~questioning authority, man~
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