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Skwirl posted:Why do we think Walker is a real candidate again? Because he's a tier-1 Republican candidate. Several term governor of a traditionally blue state which he'd likely carry in the general, and he's the only Republican in the race able to successfully straddle the line between establishment money and the TeaParty grassroots crazy.
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I'm a few pages back and incredibly disappointed that nobody called the Hilary eating at Chipotle "scandal" Beanghazi.
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Apr 17, 2015 23:45
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My Imaginary GF posted:Because he's a tier-1 Republican candidate. He's the only Republican in the race able to successfully straddle the line between establishment money and the TeaParty grassroots crazy. 
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Apr 17, 2015 23:45
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Dirk the Average posted:I'm a few pages back and incredibly disappointed that nobody called the Hilary eating at Chipotle "scandal" Beanghazi. Someone beat you to it a dozen pages back or something.
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Apr 17, 2015 23:45
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Skwirl posted:Why do we think Walker is a real candidate again? Has credentials typically associated with successful candidates, holds views in the mainstream of the party, is liked and respected by party actors.
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Apr 17, 2015 23:45
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I know this may seem like madness to us, you're not thinking like an establish Republican would. Joementum posted:Has credentials typically associated with successful candidates, holds views in the mainstream of the party, is liked and respected by party actors. See? Joementum, now there's a guy who, on the fly, can think like a Republican.
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Apr 17, 2015 23:45
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My Imaginary GF posted:Because he's a tier-1 Republican candidate. Several term governor of a traditionally blue state which he'd likely carry in the general, and he's the only Republican in the race able to successfully straddle the line between establishment money and the TeaParty grassroots crazy. Eeeh, still not convinced.
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Apr 17, 2015 23:47
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Dirk the Average posted:I'm a few pages back and incredibly disappointed that nobody called the Hilary eating at Chipotle "scandal" Beanghazi. See, that's the thing, did she even GET beans in the burrito bowl? If not, all of the concerns about farting on the bus seem a bit off point.
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Apr 17, 2015 23:49
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Skwirl posted:Eeeh, still not convinced. Because you're likely not a Republican.
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Apr 17, 2015 23:49
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I know it's been explained in here before, but I still don't get it. Why do candidates have a time limit on when they have to announce? Like how Hillary had until last Sunday to announce, why is that? Explain as if I'm a particularly stupid small child
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Apr 17, 2015 23:52
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My Imaginary GF posted:I know this may seem like madness to us, you're not thinking like an establish Republican would. Is this english?
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Apr 17, 2015 23:53
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Is MIGF a joke poster, a threadshitter or just an idiot? I honestly can't tell. edit: VVV I can't read that, I blocked you a while ago redreader fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Apr 17, 2015 |
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Apr 17, 2015 23:54
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blunt for century posted:I know it's been explained in here before, but I still don't get it. Media narrative, "Is it too late for X? In this crowded field, is there any room left for Y?" Take for instance Chris Christie. He wants to run, sure, his supporters see him as hedging the longer he delays. The more folks hedge, the less committed they are to your candidacy and your candidacy alone.
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Apr 17, 2015 23:55
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My Imaginary GF posted:Media narrative, "Is it too late for X? In this crowded field, is there any room left for Y?" Take for instance Chris Christie. He wants to run, sure, his supporters see him as hedging the longer he delays. The more folks hedge, the less committed they are to your candidacy and your candidacy alone. Ah, okay, I thought it was a legal thing for some reason
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Apr 17, 2015 23:57
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Skwirl posted:Why do we think Walker is a real candidate again? He hates unions and govt spending
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Apr 17, 2015 23:58
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My Imaginary GF posted:Because he's a tier-1 Republican candidate. Several term governor of a traditionally blue state which he'd likely carry in the general, and he's the only Republican in the race able to successfully straddle the line between establishment money and the TeaParty grassroots crazy. He's polling badly in Wisconsin now sorry
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Apr 17, 2015 23:58
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joeburz posted:He's polling badly in Wisconsin now sorry When was the last time facts mattered in a primary fight, 1968?
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Apr 17, 2015 23:59
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blunt for century posted:Ah, okay, I thought it was a legal thing for some reason No don't listen to MIGF, it has to do with fundraising laws but joementum is going to have to fill in on the details. Basically she did something that counts as starting a campaign so she has to actually start a campaign and follow FEC rules instead of the less rigorous 'exploratory committee' fundraising rules.
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Apr 18, 2015 00:00
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Jeb Bush, on Chipotle: “Do I go there? Yeah, I go there. The one on US 1. Drive my own car, park my own car, get out of my own car. Get Chipotle, take it home.” His own car!
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Apr 18, 2015 00:02
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My Imaginary GF posted:When was the last time facts mattered in a primary fight, 1968? I was addressing your point of him carrying wisconsin. It won't happen, although people will vote for him in the primary regardless.
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Apr 18, 2015 00:02
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blunt for century posted:I know it's been explained in here before, but I still don't get it. The calculus is different for Hillary and the other candidates. Hillary wanted to announce around this time to prevent the situation where she waited too long and other Democrats started to think she wasn't actually going to run. They'd then enter the race and distract from her campaign. Her announcement now effectively clears the field so that it's her against Martin O'Malley, Lincoln Chafee, Jim Webb, and Bernie Sanders, none of whom have any chance of ever beating her. But if she'd waited until September maybe Kirsten Gillibrand or Deval Patrick would start making some extra trips to Iowa. Clinton was also on a timeline for announcing because she wanted to set up an actual campaign operation targeted at the general election. The more names you collect now, the biggest the email list you put together, the more volunteers you enlist, the bigger networks you create in battleground states, the better you'll do in November. This requires an actual campaign office and actual campaign staffers paid in actual campaign dollars and the FEC rules state that as soon as you start doing any of that you have to declare as a candidate within 15 days. The timeline for the Republicans is much different. They need to announce as soon as they know they have a shot because they need to start collecting money to attack each other and finance their trips to primary states. The only reason that you don't want to declare is that as soon as you do you have to start actually... campaigning. Here's the history of campaign announcements. For reference, Hillary declared her campaign 286 days before February 1, 2016 which her campaign says is going to be the date of the Iowa Caucuses (they're wrong, but it's a minor point). 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:No don't listen to MIGF, it has to do with fundraising laws but joementum is going to have to fill in on the details. Basically she did something that counts as starting a campaign so she has to actually start a campaign and follow FEC rules instead of the less rigorous 'exploratory committee' fundraising rules. What all counts as starting a campaign?
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Jeb Bush, on Chipotle: “Do I go there? Yeah, I go there. The one on US 1. Drive my own car, park my own car, get out of my own car. Get Chipotle, take it home.” Oh poo poo, really? drat, he's just like me. I should vote for him for president.
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Apr 18, 2015 00:05
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blunt for century posted:Ah, okay, I thought it was a legal thing for some reason According to the FEC: FEC posted:Individual Becomes a Candidate I think the thing with Hillary was that renting the building she was going to use for the campaign office would have put her over the $5000 threshold and thus require her to declare candidacy within 15 days.
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Apr 18, 2015 00:08
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redreader posted:Is MIGF a joke poster, a threadshitter or just an idiot? I honestly can't tell. :MIGF:DnD::SMG:CineD: He takes rather realistic readings of what's actually happening and states their plain meanings, but mixes in spin and alternate explanations when he want's to troll. Like 40% is the kind of poo poo you rapidly pick up if you spend a few years working campaigns (eg primacy of money, that a donation from someone in district is worth more than a donation out of district because uit is a commitment to vote, but that can be overridden in value if the out of district donates a sufficiently larger sum. Or references to filing and FEC rules.) and 60% loving with you spin (eg last year in the Ferguson thread opening a post with a quote or reference to Richard Nixon, then spend the rest oft he post referring to Governor Jay Nixon only by his last name, so a bunch of goons reacted like he was claiming Tricky Dick was running Missouri) He's one of the better trolls in that he is actually trolling, saying fairly reasonable (within mainstream american dialog at least) things and getting people to overreact, not saying batshit things and when people say "that's nuts" claim to have been trolling.
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Apr 18, 2015 00:09
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joeburz posted:He's polling badly in Wisconsin now sorry So was Romney in Massachusetts.
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Has the Hillary ad from America Rising PAC been discussed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k1-PdKfKX0
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Fried Chicken posted:So was Romney in Massachusetts. And Romney lost mass. Again I was pointing out how migf was wrong about walker carrying his home state, not his desirability in a GOP primary.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Clinton's reaction to first story: 'Cut that poo poo out, I have a base to pander to! You want access? Well gently caress you, correct yourselves.' An authoritarian mindset, which you deduced from this exchange that you completely made the gently caress up?
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Apr 18, 2015 00:12
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Who is the way early person in 2004? I thought Howard Dean, but wikipedia says he formed a exploratory committee on May 31, 2002, but didn't formally announce until June 23, 2003.
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OctoberBlues posted:Who is the way early person in 2004? I thought Howard Dean, but wikipedia says he formed a exploratory committee on May 31, 2002, but didn't formally announce until June 23, 2003. I believe that graphic is using the exploratory committee announcement dates to get more data. Most candidates only ever form exploratory committees and never formally announce. This year will probably be different in that regard.
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CaptainCarrot posted:An authoritarian mindset, which you deduced from this exchange that you completely made the gently caress up? Its a pattern of behavior from team hillary, you're either with Hil22 or you're dead to Hil22.
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Apr 18, 2015 00:18
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If you'd like to report instances of the Clinton Foundation accepting foreign contributions you can report them via Rand's campaign website. This is IN NO WAY an attempt to build his campaign contact list!!!
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Apr 18, 2015 00:26
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CaptainCarrot posted:An authoritarian mindset, which you deduced from this exchange that you completely made the gently caress up? Honestly, I hope MIGF is kind of right about her. We've had 8 years (well, 6 years) of collaborationist attempts and it's so obvious the other side's not playing that even Obama's not trying for bipartisanship now. I want Hillary to be the political murder machine she's made out to be, because gently caress this Congress forever.
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Apr 18, 2015 00:43
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My Imaginary GF posted:Clinton's reaction to first story: 'Cut that poo poo out, I have a base to pander to! You want access? Well gently caress you, correct yourselves.' Yeah, I hate it when Clinton does a thing I totally imagined in my head and then claimed as fact.
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:Honestly, I hope MIGF is kind of right about her. We've had 8 years (well, 6 years) of collaborationist attempts and it's so obvious the other side's not playing that even Obama's not trying for bipartisanship now. I want Hillary to be the political murder machine she's made out to be, because gently caress this Congress forever. Hillary is the LBJ to Obama's Kennedy. That's a good thing. LBJ got momentous poo poo done that a man with a lesser spine, balls, or volume of blackmail could not have accomplished.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Its a pattern of behavior from team hillary, you're either with Hil22 or you're dead to Hil22. As shown by what, though?
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Jazerus posted:Hillary is the LBJ to Obama's Kennedy. LBJ is legitimately one of my top historical presidents I look to when considering a candidate and perhaps because of this I don't think Hillary is quite that caliber, but neither is Obama a Jack Kennedy, so perhaps the shoe fits.
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Juvenalian.Satyr posted:LBJ is legitimately one of my top historical presidents I look to when considering a candidate and perhaps because of this I don't think Hillary is quite that caliber, but neither is Obama a Jack Kennedy, so perhaps the shoe fits. It's weird as hell that when he left office, he was seen as a complete failure with his domestic policies screwing up the nation and the only bright spot of his administration being his escalation of Vietnam. Times change.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Its a pattern of behavior from team hillary, you're either with Hil22 or you're dead to Hil22. Which Team Hillary? Because Team Hillary 2008 is substantially different from Team Hillary 2016
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