|
Everyone has always been a horrible monster. They were just way better at not showing it back in the old days.
|
#
?
Apr 8, 2015 04:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 00:25 |
|
|
Sometimes it depends on the way the game plays out, like if there is a play that the players deem dirty (regardless of whether it was a legal play or not) then usually there is a lot more of people getting into each others faces. Other reasons are things said before the game, or just general team rivalries.
|
|
#
?
Apr 8, 2015 22:20
|
|
|
The difference right now is partially explained by social media, allowing players to troll each other before games.
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2015 08:26
|
|
|
Sash! posted:Everyone has always been a horrible monster. They were just way better at not showing it back in the old days. Michael Jordan being the most famous example. He once was up against Muggsy Bogues (who is very short), stepped back and said "shoot it you midget." Micheal Jordan did a ton of trash talk the reporters in the 90s didn't cover.
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2015 14:30
|
|
|
axeil posted:Michael Jordan being the most famous example. He once was up against Muggsy Bogues (who is very short), stepped back and said "shoot it you midget." *shoot it you loving midget
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2015 15:28
|
|
|
Yeah I don't really know then-versus-now stuff about NFL. Part of it is the rules and the cameras. I mean, you watch an old game and yeah it's definitely different in some surface ways but you also could get away with street fighting poo poo on the line and under piles and players would just decimate WRs in vulnerable positions, sometimes just because they could.turbomoose posted:Sometimes it depends on the way the game plays out...
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2015 15:34
|
|
|
axeil posted:Michael Jordan being the most famous example. He once was up against Muggsy Bogues (who is very short), stepped back and said "shoot it you midget." Apparently that play ruined Bogues career. Basketball trash talk is the best. You could write books on MJ and Larry Bird
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2015 15:51
|
|
|
SA2K posted:Apparently that play ruined Bogues career. Basketball trash talk is the best. You could write books on MJ and Larry Bird "Merry loving Christmas"
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2015 17:03
|
|
|
SA2K posted:Apparently that play ruined Bogues career. Basketball trash talk is the best. You could write books on MJ and Larry Bird Bogues still had a good career for someone who was 5'3.
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2015 19:14
|
|
|
There's a video somewhere of Kobe and MJ talking poo poo to each other and it's really funny.
|
|
#
?
Apr 9, 2015 19:16
|
|
|
I think the coverage is a good argument tbh. Watching this Bowl game from the mid 80's shows you the quantum leap made in presentation, even little things that I took for granted like having a first down marker put onto the screen digitally and also the lack of stats coming up throughout the game. The amount of different angles you have now I guess you can just plain see more of the game than you could in the mid 80's. Another question: How much does being a Pro Bowler mean? It is on par with being on the All Star team in the NBA? I ask because you check out the resumes of even the greatest players in the NFL and they aren't consensus picks every year for the Pro Bowl, which is an expectation you have for the all time greats in the NBA, most of them had decades where they were in every all star game. I get that obviously there are more players in the NFL but I guess essentially my question is does being a Pro Bowler have the same gravitas as being an All Star or do you guys not really give a gently caress who is a pro bowler or not?
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2015 19:01
|
|
|
It's a big deal, but it's not quite like basketball or baseball. 6 or so pro bowls and 1 or 2 all-pros in a 12 year career is enough to get you in hall of fame contention. There are some guys who are so good that they get in every year, like Peyton, Tony Gonzalez, and Junior Seau, but it's far more common for players to miss out on a year or two here and there, or only be dominant for 5 or so years and rack up all their awards along that stretch.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2015 19:09
|
|
|
being voted to the pro bowl means a lot more than actually playing in it, because so many players pull out of it. Also a lot of players have pro bowl bonuses in their contracts so there's that.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2015 19:13
|
|
|
Volkerball posted:It's a big deal, but it's not quite like basketball or baseball. 6 or so pro bowls and 1 or 2 all-pros in a 12 year career is enough to get you in hall of fame contention. There are some guys who are so good that they get in every year, like Peyton, Tony Gonzalez, and Junior Seau, but it's far more common for players to miss out on a year or two here and there, or only be dominant for 5 or so years and rack up all their awards along that stretch. On the flipside there are some dudes who are so overrated they get in based on name recognition alone, even though they haven't been good in years (or were never good, Kuhn).    
|
|
#
?
Apr 14, 2015 17:42
|
|
|
you could also sign up for coach huey, a messageboard of coaches and long articles about this/that with football theory
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2015 06:24
|
|
|
So after watching the 30 for 30 documentary on Bo Jackson I was blown away but also as somebody that had only heard the name before tonight skeptical. Was he actually that good or was that just a very well put together documentary? I mean some of the clips they show were admittedly ridiculous like switching sides of the field on a run play but was he overall this dynamic force and the best RB in the game at the time as they claimed or have they just stitched together the best parts and made it sound great?
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 02:02
|
|
|
El Seano posted:So after watching the 30 for 30 documentary on Bo Jackson I was blown away but also as somebody that had only heard the name before tonight skeptical. You're right the documentary wasn't that accurate. He was even better than they made him out to be.
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 02:04
|
|
|
El Seano posted:So after watching the 30 for 30 documentary on Bo Jackson I was blown away but also as somebody that had only heard the name before tonight skeptical. I'm not going to name any names or point any fingers, but I think somebody in this thread has never played Tecmo Bowl.
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 02:05
|
|
|
Like a lot of things Bo it's a little bit of a guessing game how good he could have been. This probably matters a little less at RB than other positions but he was still showing up every year in October and then going out to play games without being with the team until then. He was also sharing a backfield with a HoF running back who still got some carries even when Bo was up to speed. He still averaged 5.4 yards per carry for his career which would put him #3 all time for running backs if he had enough attempts to qualify. He was at least the best part time football player ever.
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 02:27
|
|
|
SkunkDuster posted:I'm not going to name any names or point any fingers, but I think somebody in this thread has never played Tecmo Bowl. Nah I'm from the UK, I did however see that video on youtube years back where somebody literally runs out an entire quarter on one run play running back and forth down the field like 8 times, it's hilarious. One thing I'll say, having been an NBA fan for about 10 years now is that the lore and stories of the NFL are a million times more entertaining. In so much as this sport just has some crazy motherfuckers in it. It's a shame I can't really seem to find many more good documentaries than what 30 for 30 did. I caught an interesting one on Tom Brady and the quarterbacks taken before him, loved that. Also saw a decent one on Brett Favre. I'd love to watch more if you guys can recommend any. In terms of Bo just showing up and playing they mention that in the doc that he would have a play down after two or so attempts and that led me to thinking that I can understand a pass play being hard to learn what with four or five runs to memorize and the timings involved, but how hard are run plays to learn really? Isn't it just a case of knowing where your blocker is running and which angle you're running at? I always had the impression that the hardest part of a run play was reacting to the defense once the ball has been snapped and seeing where you have some daylight to run.
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 09:39
|
|
|
There's a huge difference between intellectually knowing that "32 Iso Left" means "I take the ball and follow my lead through the left B-gap and then extend the play as far as possible" and "32 Sweep Right" means "Catch the toss and look for a crease usually between TE and slot unless they shift over", and being able to actually execute it under pressure when your adrenaline's up and the crowd's getting noisy and you've taken a few hits and the defense is making adjustments and you nearly blew your pass protection responsibility two downs ago but the blitzer fell over and you got away with it. That's where practice and repetitions come in. (For most people.)
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 09:51
|
|
|
El Seano posted:One thing I'll say, having been an NBA fan for about 10 years now is that the lore and stories of the NFL are a million times more entertaining. In so much as this sport just has some crazy motherfuckers in it. It's a shame I can't really seem to find many more good documentaries than what 30 for 30 did. I caught an interesting one on Tom Brady and the quarterbacks taken before him, loved that. Also saw a decent one on Brett Favre. I'd love to watch more if you guys can recommend any. A tragic tale so utterly soul crushing, shakespeare was like  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6qrW1mdRmQ
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 10:19
|
|
|
Also Urlacher and Bettis were really goddamn good Chiche you dummy.
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 10:20
|
|
|
El Seano posted:So after watching the 30 for 30 documentary on Bo Jackson I was blown away but also as somebody that had only heard the name before tonight skeptical. Haven't watched this one yet, but I'm suspicious of another 30 for 30 doing the same thing for Marcus Dupree "The best that never was". 90% of the highlights they show are from high school, which is meaningless to me. Some kids just grow faster than others, so it's a man against boys. Great doc though.
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 11:00
|
|
|
Just reading about the Jameis Winston rape stuff, as a UKer I'm wondering if there's any precedent in the US for College or NFL team fans to picket or boycott teams for signing rapists? Football teams in the Uk regularly fire players involved in anything sketchy like this, frequently ending their career in the country. There was a recent case of a player (Chef Evans) convicted of rape, released from prison, who was then effectively blackballed by every team in the country due to fan/social media/ press pressure. Obviously no conviction in this case, but are there other examples of a player being shunned, or cut, for this stuff. I know Roethlisberger had some scandal a while back, again without conviction.
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 11:21
|
|
|
The Bo Jackson 30 for 30 was good but really you couldn't gently caress that up if you tried. He's not that interesting a guy/story beyond his highlights but goddamn those highlights, and it's a good "oh yeah the late 80s" slice in time. He was a total freak of nature. Watching the Broncos / AFC West growing up there was definitely an "oh poo poo Bo's back from baseball" moment for those few seasons. People say "once in a generation" but really I think that understates it. Just on like an all-purpose talent level who else is there, really? Honestly if you can get past the JUST HOW GOOD WAS HE lens the Dupree 30-for-30 was more interesting, though.
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 11:53
|
|
|
El Seano posted:Nah I'm from the UK, I did however see that video on youtube years back where somebody literally runs out an entire quarter on one run play running back and forth down the field like 8 times, it's hilarious. "The U" is the football doc to end all football docs.
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 14:33
|
|
|
Henchman of Santa posted:"The U" is the football doc to end all football docs. This man speaks the truth. Pony Excess is also very good.
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 15:57
|
|
|
wooger posted:Just reading about the Jameis Winston rape stuff, as a UKer I'm wondering if there's any precedent in the US for College or NFL team fans to picket or boycott teams for signing rapists? 
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 17:07
|
|
|
Volkerball posted:Also Urlacher and Bettis were really goddamn good Chiche you dummy. I never said they were never good, I said they kept getting into pro bowls that were probably undeserved.
|
|
#
?
Apr 18, 2015 17:16
|
|
|
wooger posted:Just reading about the Jameis Winston rape stuff, as a UKer I'm wondering if there's any precedent in the US for College or NFL team fans to picket or boycott teams for signing rapists? Americans in general don't care if you can ball. We're stupid that way. Lawrence Taylor was (probably still is) a terrible human being but man, he could ball, so he's a god to football fans. Of course, it was the 80's. We might be in general less tolerant now, after all Ray Rice didn't get any looks after being reinstated, but that was probably because general perception was he couldn't ball no more. Greg Hardy got signed despite what he did. Adrian Peterson whipped his child's balls bloody and you bet drat well he's gonna play now that he's reinstated. We haven't had a case of a convicted rapist yet, surprisingly, most either were just accused (big ben) or got off on bullshit technicalities (Perish Cox, who keeps finding work). I think if a player got convicted of rape he'd probably have a difficult time finding work unless he was top 5-10 at his position. I certainly wouldn't put it past America to forgive a baller cuz he raped someone, we're stupid like that.
|
|
#
?
Apr 24, 2015 02:30
|
|
|
Febreeze posted:Americans in general don't care if you can ball. We're stupid that way. Lawrence Taylor was (probably still is) a terrible human being but man, he could ball, so he's a god to football fans. Of course, it was the 80's. We might be in general less tolerant now, after all Ray Rice didn't get any looks after being reinstated, but that was probably because general perception was he couldn't ball no more. I think you're confusing an owner signing the player and fans accepting him. If Ray Rice got signed by a team we could find out whether fans would accept him, fans in Baltimore certainly had his back at first but fans of other teams took the opportunity to reject him and mock him. We'll see how fans respond to Adrian Peterson, but the fact that he's gonna play doesn't mean much. Lawrence Taylor hasn't been a god to football fans who know what rape is since 2011, and before that lots of people disapproved of the drug abuse Also Perrish Cox didn't get off on a technicality, he got off on the most common rape defense there is
|
|
#
?
Apr 24, 2015 16:03
|
|
Febreeze posted:Americans in general don't care if you can ball. We're stupid that way. Lawrence Taylor was (probably still is) a terrible human being but man, he could ball, so he's a god to football fans. Of course, it was the 80's. We might be in general less tolerant now, after all Ray Rice didn't get any looks after being reinstated, but that was probably because general perception was he couldn't ball no more. Mike Tyson is a convicted rapist and he's spun himself into a goofy lovable comedy character in movies and with his own cartoon tv show
|
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2015 03:35
|
|
|
Are there any good articles or books on how things work in a war room before and during the draft?
|
|
#
?
Apr 28, 2015 18:57
|
|
|
OperaMouse posted:Are there any good articles or books on how things work in a war room before and during the draft? There was a movie that came out that was a very accurate depiction of what the war room is like for the Cleveland Browns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok7Vc3jczNg
|
|
#
?
Apr 28, 2015 19:00
|
|
|
OperaMouse posted:Are there any good articles or books on how things work in a war room before and during the draft? I can recommend War Room by Michael Holley for this: http://www.amazon.com/War-Room-Belichick-Building-Perfect/dp/006208240X It's specific to the Patriots/Chiefs/Falcons in 2010, but a good read for how that works. It's very Patriots centric though, since Holley was a Boston sportswriter, and his previous book was him embedded with the Patriots for an entire season, and is basically the one guy who Belichick will talk to endlessly (and as such what you get is going to be a bit sanitized). Also those other two teams were also, at the time, full of ex-Patriots personnel, which is how he got that access.
|
|
#
?
Apr 28, 2015 19:03
|
|
|
There was a long, in-depth article by Chuck Klosterman about being locked out of the Cleveland Browns' War Room, so if you want to read 10,000 words about not getting into a room, it's available.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 02:05
|
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:There was a movie that came out that was a very accurate depiction of what the war room is like for the Cleveland Browns thanks for reminding me why i hate beckett (he's poo poo)
|
|
|
#
?
May 1, 2015 23:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 00:25 |
|
|
So in continuing to try and learn about the game would you guys agree that the Fullback is the least regarded position on the team outside of kickers? It seems odd to me that there isn't much regard for a position that essentially allows a RB to do what they do. You never really hear of a well regarded FB when people talk about the best players in the game. Which strikes me, as a newcomer, as an odd ideal because surely you could go with two RB size players but one who wants to block and have the best of both worlds. As yet it seems to me teams are happy if a FB can just block and occasionally catch a pass once in a blue moon. Particularly watching Hard Knocks a lot lately they seem to either draft FB's very late or just take them as UDFA's. It's a naive question for sure but why are fullbacks held in such low regard against nearly every other position? It can't be that easy of a job to do. Every other position outside of special teams seems to have a player that gets some attention or shine but fullbacks almost seem like an afterthought in this game, even second strings at nearly any other position seem to get more attention. Like in Hard Knocks they'll pay a ton of attention to a second or third string TE or WR but fullbacks just seem to be like; gently caress it, we'll find SOMEBODY.
|
|
#
?
May 8, 2015 01:58
|
|