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Fulchrum posted:But can you be LBJ without literally cockslapping your opponents into line? Well, the First Laddy's got to have something to do.
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Just checking, Carly Fiorina still has no experience in government and actually has accomplished less in business than Donald Trump correct? Like, somebody is less qualified than Trump.
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Apr 18, 2015 16:00
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I wouldn't go that far, Carly has not managed to bankrupt a casino to my knowledge.
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Apr 18, 2015 16:07
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Is Walker really a top tier contender when he won his elections by outspending his opponents 3-1? He can't do that in the primary or the general.
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The X-man cometh posted:Is Walker really a top tier contender when he won his elections by outspending his opponents 3-1? The last GOP candidate did the same thing so yeah I'd say it's a possibility.
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The X-man cometh posted:Is Walker really a top tier contender when he won his elections by outspending his opponents 3-1? This... isn't true though? According to the Center for Public Integrity, Walker+allies spent 12.3 million in advertising, Burke+allies spent 12.5 million in 2014. He did outspend the Democrat 3-1 in the recall, but 
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SedanChair posted:Just checking, Carly Fiorina still has no experience in government and actually has accomplished less in business than Donald Trump correct? Like, somebody is less qualified than Trump. You could make a pretty strong argument that Fiorina was doomed from the start - the decision to spin off all of HP's R&D and incredibly profitable non-computing businesses into Agilent was made before she came on board, and she had to deal with the dot-com crash. She was fundamentally a mediocre CEO who got a lot of media attention because she was the first woman to lead a company HP's size. A good leader would have handled a lot of day-to-day things differently, and she's certainly not qualified to be President, but anybody coming into her position when she did would have overseen HP's transition from a market leader in new technology to a high-volume ink reseller. Trump, on the other hand, is a walking, talking parody of himself who's had perpetual bankruptcy issues and fakes his net worth for the sake of his personal brand. Fiorina didn't have the insight or skills to guide a large organization out of a difficult crisis; Trump can be counted on to take a perfectly good large organization and create a crisis. They're on completely different levels of "unqualified."
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Imagine if the Walker recall had been timed for November. What could have been. If Walker becomes President, it will be hard to blame anyone but the idiots at United Wisconsin. Concerned Citizen fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Apr 18, 2015 |
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Apr 18, 2015 16:50
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Is every right winger required to have an unusually disturbing photo for their campaign book? That's terrifying.
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I'm obviously not privy to the behind-closed-doors talks that Republicans are having, but my family is pretty Republican and a bit involved with the party. From talking with the the Walker thing seems to be paper appeal. The thing you have to keep in mind is that this is going to be 2012 but worse. The support for every Republican candidate, except for JEB (for the most part) is that their support is a mile wide and an inch deep and based on pretty much nothing except the last headline. For example, my dad is in love with Walker because my dad hates the ever loving poo poo out of unions. But that's not a unique reason, to my mind, to support Walker because every Republican will hate the poo poo out of unions. When I press him he doesn't have a better reason other than "White guy from Wisconsin." In my opinion, we're just too drat early in the primary for support to go any deeper than name recognition, at least among the rank and file. I think that's why we're seeing the special blow jobs all the candidates are handing out to the billionaires and all the HENRY bitching. The candidates, except Cruz?, aren't campaigning yet. This is still all pre-campaigning, and we're getting so much of it because its driving clicks for some godforsaken reason.
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Space Gopher posted:Trump, on the other hand, is a walking, talking parody of himself who's had perpetual bankruptcy issues and fakes his net worth for the sake of his personal brand. Fiorina didn't have the insight or skills to guide a large organization out of a difficult crisis; Trump can be counted on to take a perfectly good large organization and create a crisis. They're on completely different levels of "unqualified." Trump is also highly unlikely to actually run. Expect him to drop out the moment it ceases to be profitable for him. I think the tribble he has instead of a brain is still intelligent enough not to drink his own kool-aid.
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MC Nietzche posted:In my opinion, we're just too drat early in the primary for support to go any deeper than name recognition, at least among the rank and file. I think that's why we're seeing the special blow jobs all the candidates are handing out to the billionaires and all the HENRY bitching. The candidates, except Cruz?, aren't campaigning yet. This is still all pre-campaigning, and we're getting so much of it because its driving clicks for some godforsaken reason. Sure, we've got a bunch of shallow as hell candidates running that'll flame out the second the camera starts focusing on them once the debates start, but the amount of money being raised by candidates that clearly have no chance of winning a general outside of the Dem candidate dying in a plane crash is astounding. I get the true believers sending in their Social Security checks, but why is a hedge fund dude in NYC sending millions of dollars to Cruz?
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MC Nietzche posted:I'm reading a great biography of Jackson right now Andrew Jackson: His Life and Times by H.W. Brands (which is excellent by the way, surprisingly hard to find a good bio of the man) and Jackson's life is something where if you filmed it I think people would just assume you were making poo poo up. Its honestly just insane how much life the man lived. Check out The Age of Jackson by Schlesinger and The Rise of American Democracy by Wilentz for some favorable coverage of Jackson's accomplishments and impacts on American society. Check out What Hath God Wrought by Howe for a more balanced and, in my view, accurate appraisal. All three give a really good overview of the Antebellum while advancing three very different theses about the driving force of change in society and culture from the Early Republic to the War of Northern Aggression.
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Sir Tonk posted:Sure, we've got a bunch of shallow as hell candidates running that'll flame out the second the camera starts focusing on them once the debates start, but the amount of money being raised by candidates that clearly have no chance of winning a general outside of the Dem candidate dying in a plane crash is astounding. I get the true believers sending in their Social Security checks, but why is a hedge fund dude in NYC sending millions of dollars to Cruz? The way I see it, and its terrifying to me, is that for that hedge fund dude that amount of money is so insignificant they can afford to lose it without giving a poo poo. Or they could be a true believer. Even Ted Cruz has some charisma. We may not see the appeal, but there are definitely those who do. It wasn't but a few months ago Cruz was basically running his own whip operation in the house just to gently caress with Boehner. edit: then again I have posted in this very forum that Cruz is the guy to watch out for. I think he's a long shot, and that's probably an understatement, but I think he has the right mix of drive and crazy to keep going long after he should bow out, and that might mean he inherits the TEA party and the evangelicals, leaving him to go toe-to-toe with Bush. It's still a tough row to hoe, but he worries me way more than the rest of the field for what that's worth. MC Nietzche fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Apr 18, 2015 |
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Cythereal posted:Trump is also highly unlikely to actually run. Expect him to drop out the moment it ceases to be profitable for him. I think the tribble he has instead of a brain is still intelligent enough not to drink his own kool-aid. Please dont crush my hopes and dreams
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Apr 18, 2015 17:12
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Trump for President so we can have him bring us on the edge of war with Russia for ratings.
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TheScott2K posted:That reminds me, when would be a good time to launch my #BillClintonOnThe20 campaign? When he dead.
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The portrait needs to be him  on arsenio hall's show,
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I wouldn't go that far, Carly has not managed to bankrupt a casino to my knowledge. The Free Market has spoken and values Fiorina's leadership skills at negative two billion dollars*. Has there been a similar valuation for Trump? * HP's valuation increased by two billion when she stopped being CEO.
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Nintendo Kid posted:When he dead. Reagan AND Bush got god drat aircraft carriers though
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TheScott2K posted:Reagan AND Bush got god drat aircraft carriers though Only cuz there ain't no law about "no living people names on aircraft carriers". We have the "no living people on money" law because Salmon Chase stuck himself on the money he issued as treasury secretary as part of angling for a future candidacy: 
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SedanChair posted:Just checking, Carly Fiorina still has no experience in government and actually has accomplished less in business than Donald Trump correct? Like, somebody is less qualified than Trump. The Free Market literally valued her at negative two billion dollars.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Only cuz there ain't no law about "no living people names on aircraft carriers". We have the "no living people on money" law because Salmon Chase stuck himself on the money he issued as treasury secretary as part of angling for a future candidacy: Genius.
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Sir Tonk posted:I get the true believers sending in their Social Security checks, but why is a hedge fund dude in NYC sending millions of dollars to Cruz? You're assuming being a hedge fund manager means having better judgement than any other random retiree. I don't think that's the case at all.
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Sir Tonk posted:Sure, we've got a bunch of shallow as hell candidates running that'll flame out the second the camera starts focusing on them once the debates start, but the amount of money being raised by candidates that clearly have no chance of winning a general outside of the Dem candidate dying in a plane crash is astounding. I get the true believers sending in their Social Security checks, but why is a hedge fund dude in NYC sending millions of dollars to Cruz? If you want to make sure that the Republican Candidate doesn't go soft on you and tack too far center, there are few better ways than to fund a rabid badger of conservatism and set him loose in the field. Also I'm sure to the hedge fund guy it wasn't all that much money. So it's also entirely possible that it could instead be him buying himself some entertainment by funding a mad man in order to ensure the biggest explosion in the primary. Which one of you guys is funding insanity for our entertainment?
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Okonner posted:You're assuming being a hedge fund manager means having better judgement than any other random retiree. I don't think that's the case at all. Also a lot of "hedge fund managers" actually do barely any managing of the hedge fund, their employees do that actual work. All they have to do is hang around and maybe negotiate things their reports recommend.
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MC Nietzche posted:edit: then again I have posted in this very forum that Cruz is the guy to watch out for. I think he's a long shot, and that's probably an understatement, but I think he has the right mix of drive and crazy to keep going long after he should bow out, and that might mean he inherits the TEA party and the evangelicals, leaving him to go toe-to-toe with Bush. It's still a tough row to hoe, but he worries me way more than the rest of the field for what that's worth. I agree that he's dangerous, but I also think he blew his load too fast. Unless this was literally his plan, he really should've waited a few years before pissing off everyone in Congressional leadership. Dude is very savvy and can be quite good in a debate, but he looks like a used car salesman. Most of the older GOP types I know in Texas are embarrassed by him and want Kay Bailey Hutchison back.
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Joementum posted:Meanwhile, in New Hampshire.... Lol - is this a Royalist at my TEA party party?
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Sir Tonk posted:Sure, we've got a bunch of shallow as hell candidates running that'll flame out the second the camera starts focusing on them once the debates start, but the amount of money being raised by candidates that clearly have no chance of winning a general outside of the Dem candidate dying in a plane crash is astounding. I get the true believers sending in their Social Security checks, but why is a hedge fund dude in NYC sending millions of dollars to Cruz? Because he knows Cruz won't win, but he hopes to keep Cruz in the race to pull whoever the actual nominee is further towards Cruz's positions. It's an attempt to pull the field further right, is all.
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Sir Tonk posted:I agree that he's dangerous, but I also think he blew his load too fast. Unless this was literally his plan, he really should've waited a few years before pissing off everyone in Congressional leadership. Dude is very savvy and can be quite good in a debate, but he looks like a used car salesman. Most of the older GOP types I know in Texas are embarrassed by him and want Kay Bailey Hutchison back. "used car salesman" is such a stupid critique, which basically means "i dont like this white guy".
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tsa posted:"used car salesman" is such a stupid critique, which basically means "i dont like this white guy". I think it means he looks greasy, scummy, untrustworthy, and entirely focused on personal profit. Sounds like a decent description of Cruz to me. I could totally see him in a yellow plaid blazer selling cars that "totally have never been on fire"
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Check out The Age of Jackson by Schlesinger and The Rise of American Democracy by Wilentz for some favorable coverage of Jackson's accomplishments and impacts on American society. Check out What Hath God Wrought by Howe for a more balanced and, in my view, accurate appraisal. All three give a really good overview of the Antebellum while advancing three very different theses about the driving force of change in society and culture from the Early Republic to the War of Northern Aggression.
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I'm glad Lindsey Graham is in the race so we get lines like this: On radical Islam: "The Nazis wanted a master race, these people want a master religion." On OWS: "One percent has been taking care of the 99%. Not the rich people. The ones wearing the uniform." On geography: "Iowa is like South Carolina but flat. New Hampshire is just kind of cool" On the declining birthrate: "I'm the problem, I don't have any kids" On Christianity: "Any Catholics here? Wooo! I love the Pope. Any Presbyterians? You were predestined to be here" On Presidential nominations: "If it's not me, for Godsakes pick somebody who can win" On Washington, D.C.: "You know what's missing in Washington? Drinking"
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Sorry, the what? Did that happen before or after the War of the Rebellion? What's this war you're referring to? Is it related to the War of Southern Treason?
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Joementum posted:I'm glad Lindsey Graham is in the race so we get lines like this: He's right about this one though  In my ideal world, the candidates would be required to drink straight brown liquor during debates, in order to make them accidentally more honest 
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The War Of Pan-directional White Belligerenceblunt for century posted:
Expose carpetbaggers by forcing them to drink the traditional booze of their states.
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Joementum posted:I'm glad Lindsey Graham is in the race so we get lines like this: Lindsey Graham is a national treasure and would make a great VP for Rubio.
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PupsOfWar posted:The War Of Pan-directional White Belligerence every southern state would have moonshine and it would be amazing
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