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Internet Kraken posted:So is it at all possible to defeat the named commanders that are showing up now if you grinded a ton/cheated? I assume nothing significant happens but I'm wondering if the game will even let you hurt them. Yes you can, and you earn Medals for beating bosses earlier than you're supposed to.
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Presumably they just "retreat" though, and it doesn't affect the plot. I think asking for entirely 2 dimensional characters might be a bit much though, considering that this game (and the series) pretty much has dozens and dozens of semi-generics. Keeping them easily identifiable as "the shy girl", "the punk" or "the caveman" is actually sort of helpful because otherwise they'd be completely unmemorable. Only the three main characters really need to be developed beyond a gimmick. And, well, they should've been.
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Internet Kraken posted:So is it at all possible to defeat the named commanders that are showing up now if you grinded a ton/cheated? I assume nothing significant happens but I'm wondering if the game will even let you hurt them. Yep, I managed to kill Baldren here one time, with epic amounts of Flamethrower spam.
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Apr 19, 2015 07:20
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Agean90 posted:It kinda feels like there was like one or two dudes on the writing staff who wanted to do interesting things with it, then got overridden by their higher ups.  I don't mind Avan since it's not his fault that his character development is delayed behind everyone else due to the way the game's structured. His time will come, eventually when he should have had some growth leading up to it. I'm pretty sure it's this mission or the next where I quit because the grind plus the enemy commander BS got to me.
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Apr 19, 2015 07:21
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Agean90 posted:Night10194 said it better than I could. I just want characters that have more to them than a quirk. That is a problem when you add a lot of character, you either have a wide cast of characters or you have a limited group of well developed characters. It pretty difficult to flesh out everyone. Still going by your recommendation I would go for the WRPG's approach, aka Avan wanting to go grab some liquor from outside of town to drink away the frustration of the ongoing rebellion. Zeri making effigies of GRA soldiers and executing them one by one, Sophia's maneater personality being more fleshed out beyond "Massage my leg". Helmut decking Zeri after the comment he made about imperial soldiers. And instead of wanting to be an idol, Anisette performs at the local cabaret at the Academy singing dirty cabaret songs for a thankless audience where the watered down wine only serve to make them aggressive drunks.
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You're mistaking characterization and gravity for generic grimdark. What I mean by gravity is it's really tonally jarring to go instantly from 'Oh poo poo, rebels are ethnically cleansing a town' to 'OH BOY I HOPE GRYFFINDOR WINS THE HOUSE CUP' without the characters missing a beat. The rebellion is completely forgotten, not just in side missions but in plot. There should be some impact. They should at least be talking about why these fuckers are rebelling and speculating about what they can do to stop them! It doesn't mean the characters need to be grimdark, they just need to occasionally treat the war like it's actually there.
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Apr 19, 2015 07:38
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This took way longer than it should've, but I will not suffer alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfPyW03g9Ww There's time stamps on the actual video description.
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Apr 19, 2015 07:56
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Tae posted:This took way longer than it should've, but I will not suffer alone. That laugh. That loving laugh 
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The reason I'm hard on this stuff is the seed of a good idea is there. Gallia secures its independence and a progressive head of state tries to make things better, but there's still a world war going on and the great powers are still meddling, and there's resistance and unrest based on war exhaustion and reactionary elements in the population. The army is already depleted from fighting the war, and so even fresh cadets are drafted to fill out the officer corps and find a harsh trial by fire. That's a cool idea! You could go really cool places with that! For instance, have the Empire leak to the papers that the Federation is propping up the Rebellion, like what happened with the Zimmerman telegram, and offer support to help 'Gallia maintain the honorable peace we agreed upon after your valiant struggle', if they'll just stop selling Ragnite to the Federals who are supporting barbaric revolutionaries anyway... That kind of thing. There's real potential to the premise and it's frustrating to see it squandered for tropey bullshit.
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I think you might want to pace yourself, because there's still 8 months of game left and these types of games scale bigger with each month. I mean, I'm putting out constant updates but we're still nowhere even close to being done. If I would compare our progress, we are still in the Suikoden V prologue.
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Apr 19, 2015 08:18
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Neddy Seagoon posted:That laugh. That loving laugh Which loving laugh? All of them? 
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Apr 19, 2015 08:27
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Drakenel posted:Which loving laugh? Avan's laugh. It plays way, way too often.
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Apr 19, 2015 08:27
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Oh my god the instructor really does just use the Jake voice.
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Apr 19, 2015 08:41
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Drakenel posted:Which loving laugh? HaHA HaHAHahaha
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Apr 19, 2015 09:01
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Someone make a 10 hour loop of Avan's laugh, send it Tae, and make him listen to it when he's writing updates. That will slow him down.
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Lord Ephraim posted:Someone make a 10 hour loop of Avan's laugh, send it Tae, and make him listen to it when he's writing updates. That will slow him down. Better yet just make it like this video.
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Apr 19, 2015 15:33
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gently caress, this brings back memories.
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Apr 19, 2015 15:34
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Internet Kraken posted:So is it at all possible to defeat the named commanders that are showing up now if you grinded a ton/cheated? I assume nothing significant happens but I'm wondering if the game will even let you hurt them.
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Apr 19, 2015 15:58
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Something occurred to me: didn't the Valkyria Chronicles anime come out before 2 did? Did the anime influence the second game in any way?
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Apr 19, 2015 16:24
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Tae posted:This took way longer than it should've, but I will not suffer alone. Huh, most of these voices are actually a lot better than what I was hearing in my head. Also for some reason it makes me happy to hear Steven Blum just being...well, Steven Blum.
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Internet Kraken posted:Huh, most of these voices are actually a lot better than what I was hearing in my head. Also for some reason it makes me happy to hear Steven Blum just being...well, Steven Blum. I remember reading a quote from him saying he'll get the script, read it, work out what his character's like and what they have to deal with, how they should sound, record his first lines, and then hear 'Yeah, that's pretty good, but could you be a little more Spike?'
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Mraagvpeine posted:Something occurred to me: didn't the Valkyria Chronicles anime come out before 2 did? Did the anime influence the second game in any way? VC1 was not popular at all in Japan. The anime was where the money came from, and influenced the demographic of VC2. But then VC2 sold like poo poo as well and the developers realized the Japanese never liked the games anyway, so they went back to actual war stuff instead of high school in 3.
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Oh man. It wouldn't have been so bad without all the awkward grunting, moaning and of course all the horrible laughter.
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   First time in Randgriz, I take it? Yeah! So this is where Cordelia lives, right? That's right. We're on our way to a brief audience with the Archduchess now. You should feel honored. She's decorating you for your work escorting her. Yeah, that's cool. Medals are cool. I just wish they were more... edible?  Avan, I'll only say this once. You represent your class and the academy. Do not embarrass us with any gaffes in front of the Archduchess. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Don't get your shorts in a twist. I'll be good.*tweeting heard*   *tweets happily* Ugh, fine. Just stay hidden in my pocket, okay? It's time for our audience. Let's head to the castle.*A moment later*  Hm? Why so tense, Brixy? It's not like you. Avan, reasonable people set a bit nervous around royalty. You're just odd. Avan Hardins, step forward! Yes, sir!  For your exemplary service, I hereby grant you Gallia's Medal of Honor. Thank you, Your Highness! I know the whole class'll be just thrilled! Hee hee. It pleases me to see you as exuberant as ever. Yup! I may not be smart, but I've always had pep!*Jarde escapes from Avan's pocket*  My, how darling! Is this your bird, Avan? Yes, ma'am. His name is Jarde. The pleasure is all mine, Jarde. I welcome you to Randgriz. *Happy tweeting* I pray this war will soon end, so all Gallians, man and beast, can know peace. Know that I, too, will be fighting for that end, in every way I am able. Yes, ma'am! But I hope you'll leave the dangerous stuff to us! May your allegiance to Gallia never fail, Avan Hardins. Godspeed to you.*later that day*  Well, it can't be possibly worse than Vicky. Right? R-right?   Okay uh, this is newish. He sounds like a New Jersey Rick Flair. Fuggetabout, Whoo! Otherwise, say hello to another Lancer.  We also get a couple medals for beating story missions. Still useless until we get like 20 of these to unlock special characters that ultimately are just generics.  It's time to say good-bye to Nichol for the rest of the game. Chloe's taking his spot as the party will slowly rotate in to get all the classmate missions. Oh god, I've only done 1 and there's still 30+ of them. Lore time! Academy Cadets Awarded Medals!-Newspaper Lanseal Academy cadets who repelled a rebel attack on Archduchess Cordelia in March have been honored for their actions. Avan Hardins (17) accepted the Gallian Medal of Honor on behalf of his squad members at a ceremony held at Castle Randgriz on the 3rd. Hardins made special mention of the bravery of his team. As brother to the late Leon Hardins who served in the Gallian War, he is living up to his family name. He was eager to try all the local food, and we hope his hunger for victory is just as strong. Avan, you were specifically told not to embarrass yourself.... Alicia's Cooking Class a Hit-Lotte Insider Alicia Gunther held a cooking class in the mess hall kitchen on the 4th. Many people came to attend, with even professors and store staff showing up. This time cinnamon bread and apple tarts were on the menu, and all students were eager to learn. Cosette Coalhearth said of her results, ''I got confused and ended up with cinnamon apple bread." After the class, Alicia said she was elated at the large turnout. PS. Cosette. how exactly do you set tarts and bread mixed up? V2 (Artificial Valkyrur)-Encyclopedia Armor worn by rebel special forces that replicates the ragnite-enhancing power of the Valkyrur. The lances they wield shoot beams with immense destructive power, but they require vast amounts of ragnite, making supply vehicles essential. It is thought that Count Gassenarl took a secret army prototype and adapted it for rebel use. The V0 prototype was extremely powerful but expensive to implement, and is now worn by Dirk Gassenarl. The current V2 armor is a mass-produced version of the earlier V1. Neighboring Countries Gallia maintains a tense relationship with the East Europan Imperial Alliance, commonly referred to as "the Empire." The Emperor enjoys near limitless authority within the alliance. A conservative people, the Empire still lives by customs from medieval times. The Atlantic Federation is an alliance of West Europan democracies, known as "the Federation." Popular uprisings in the late 18th Century gave birth to a number of new democracies, which then formed a loose alliance to oppose the Empire. Castle Gassenarl An old castle near the Kloden Wildwood in southern Gallia. The area has been ruled by House Gassenarl since medieval times. As the base of operations of the rebel commanders, it has been remodeled into a military facility with strong fortifications. The natural fortress surrounded by forest and hills was defended against an Empire attack by army forces led by House Gassenarl two years ago. All attempts to assail it since the outbreak of rebellion have been met by formidable resistance. I guess the castle's been defended by V2's to prevent it being seiged by tanks. But then, why didn't anyone tells us they had artificial Valkyrians...?  Welkin here is trying to rip me off.   *walks over to Vario*  Hey there, kitten. Care to ride to heaven on the wings of my angelic voice? Huh? Get real, jerk! *leaves* You're breakin' my heart, baby. Why are my fans all so temperamen-- Nn? Yo, Avan! Need something from Mr. Vario Kraatz? Uh, not really? Ha ha! Here to request a special number, huh? All right, shy guy! You just had to ask, cat!   What? No WAY! Are you serious?! Sorry, Avan! I, uh... Just remembered something I gotta do! *catches up to the girls* Hey there, kittens! I get the feeling Coleen just saved my ears.Still better than Vicky.  Good news, we've hit tier 5 in weapons. Bad news, they require grinding items that only started appearing this month. Ugggggggh  Also, I should probably start equipping the Rock Breaker part. It gives 50 front defense, but the real benefit is breaking up giant rocks on maps that usually lead to a shortcut.  Kill everyone. At least we're on a new map rotation.  The game is starting to be meta and throw tons of enemies at the 2nd deployment spot, which makes the obvious choice much easier and better.  The most notable thing was that I managed to A rank the mission despite stubbornly trying to kill this Mortarer head-on, wasting 4 CP. The game's also at a point when my Scouts can't one-turn kill Lancers anymore, which is a big problem. And I already have the highest tier rifle, so Scouts are slowly becoming just mobile grenaders.  I should probably stop trying to get A ranks, because my units are barely catching up to the enemy scale without grinding.   Zeri, you have 98 percent. Impressive as ever. Mischlitt, a perfect score. Excellent. Next is... Avan, I believe? Ah, yes. Avan. Break it to me easy, Brixy. How'd I do? Yours was the lowest score of all. The lowest I can remember, really. D-Don't tell me I got a zero?! ...No. I don't...what. Your answers earned you a zero, then I took off ten points for illegibility.Did Avan eat the paper or something  It takes a lot of effort to get that kind of score. Your mom will be so proud. Hey, I don't need any wisecracks from you! Avan, you get an extra assignment. Try actually studying this time. Barf... You earned it. Besides, none of us want to be led by a flunker. Precisely, Zeri. that's why you'll be supervising him as he works. What?! But why me? Heh heh. It's you and me, Professor Zeri! Ugh.*later that day*  Don't you "hm Zeri" me! I still don't see why I should have to check over your make-up work. I bet Professor Brixham thought you were the only one who could handle it.*somebody walks in*   Oh, it's you lot. Uh, h-hi. Juliana... ... What, you got saddled with make-up work, too? Don't make me laugh! I'm here to borrow a book. A foreign notion to you... Wow, that's a heck of a book you got there. Looks pretty technical. Wait, that's--  This is Theimer's thesis! It's been out of print for ages. I've been searching for a copy forever. I had no idea we had one here. W-Well, now you know. Hand it back.Can love bloom on the battlefield...? High school battlefield?  Theimer was a Darcsen engineer. One of Gallia's top mechanical geniuses. He served as General Belgen Gunther's right arm in the First Europan War. He designed the tank the seneral used, too, right? I'm a bit surprised to see you reading reference penned by a Darcsen. A good commander needs a broad base of knowledge. This thesis is widely regarded as revolutionary. It's a masterwork. I see no need to allow the author's race to affect that objective assessment.Wasn't she like super racist just last month...? ...I see. When you're done reading it, I'd love to hear your thoughts. E-Excuse me? I've always had an interest in his work and his working philosophy. I'm sure your insights would be illuminating. D-Don't be presumptuous! What fool would willingly engage in debate with a-- Zeri. I've told you, my name is Zeri. You should try it, it's easy to say. I've heard enough! I'm leaving! Urn. wait! Er... Sorry about before, Juliana! Hmph! *leaves*  I guess she reads up on a whole bunch of stuff in her free time. Looks that way. She makes a good example for SOME people I know. Oof......Yeah. 8 more months, people. Tanks stuff   
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I really should hate Elvis Ric Flair, but I just can't. I won't deny that he's just as stupid as the rest of the cast, but he's my kind of stupid.
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I see Galia has never heard of sloped armor, much like Germany.
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Apr 19, 2015 19:33
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The art book spoiled that Julianna was gonna fall for Zeri. So that means we'll have to do Julliana events. Ugh. I feel your pain Tae.
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SSNeoman posted:The art book spoiled that Julianna was gonna fall for Zeri. So that means we'll have to do Julliana events. Ugh.
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Poil posted:Tsundere o'clock? my favorite time 
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Night10194 posted:I see Galia has never heard of sloped armor, much like Germany. And her loving Darcsen is just a good old thing that even the West is enamoured of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diVbqbAqtP4
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Tae posted:
Eh, it sort of works. Julianna is just saying that guy was "one of the good ones", as many racists are prone to do. I've been rading Julianna's voice as WAY more  than what was shown in the video. It kind of disappointed me. If you're gonna write a character this arrogant you might as well go all the way with it.
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Internet Kraken posted:Eh, it sort of works. Julianna is just saying that guy was "one of the good ones", as many racists are prone to do. It's a defense mechanism to reconcile the preconception of race with the fact that individuals of that race the person knows intimately don't conform to them. My grandpa was the same way. Hated the Japanese (he served in WWII) but was friends with 'properly assimilated' Japanese-Americans.
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I was talking about the blushing when Zeri touched her.
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Are you gonna do VC3 after you finish VC2?
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-Troika- posted:Are you gonna do VC3 after you finish VC2? That's the only reason why I'm doing VC2.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Well, they're a kind of mix of Germanic ideas; independent nationstate like the old principalities, are a duchy, neutral like Switzerland, engage in a lot of ethnic cleansing, the usual.
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Tae posted:VC1 was not popular at all in Japan. The anime was where the money came from, and influenced the demographic of VC2. But then VC2 sold like poo poo as well and the developers realized the Japanese never liked the games anyway, so they went back to actual war stuff instead of high school in 3. To be fair, VC3 is still ridiculously anime. In some ways moreso (thinking of the character-specific super moves). It just doesn't have the grinding.
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every jrpg is anime, the only difference is vc3 is better written. not immensely so mind you, it's kind of forgettable really, but the plot holds together and there are some good characters
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Being tonally consistent is far more important, because guess what this month's mission is? The Laevintin Qualifiers again! Whooo! Genocide? Zeri, shut up and help us get closer to that cup!!! (If you for some reason don't have VC1 on PC by now, it's under 7 bucks now here
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