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Since Maoism is basically "be a moron so hard you kill tens of millions through sheer idiocy and gently caress your country over for 50 years" it's hard to teach.
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whatever7 posted:There are very little Maoism you can teach. Maoism is not a systematic thought you can teach. Water down Marxism is still more Marxism than Maoism. Maoism is "Do what the Soviets did except with farmers since 90% of our population is rural" and that obviously isn't something that applies as much going forward.
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Apr 18, 2015 16:24
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computer parts posted:Maoism is "Do what the Soviets did except with farmers since 90% of our population is rural" and that obviously isn't something that applies as much going forward. Also ignore all the parts about the liberalisation of society and the improvement of people's lives. Forget all the gay rights and abolition of marriage stuff. Instead, raise pigs and make iron.
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Apr 18, 2015 16:26
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Ceciltron posted:Forget all the gay rights Yes, I said "do what the Soviets did".
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Apr 18, 2015 16:27
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computer parts posted:Yes, I said "do what the Soviets did". No, you meant "what stalin did". Under Lenin and Trotsky the soviets made huge leaps towards progressive society.
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Apr 18, 2015 16:34
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Ceciltron posted:No, you meant "what stalin did". Under Lenin and Trotsky the soviets made huge leaps towards progressive society. "under trotsky"
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Apr 18, 2015 16:38
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It occurs to me that there's a good Gangsta Paradise rewrite available here.
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Apr 18, 2015 16:49
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Bip Roberts posted:"under trotsky" Uhh well pretty much he was an important figure of the opposition to Stalin until 1928 so uh idgi why you are quoting that 
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Apr 18, 2015 17:10
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computer parts posted:Maoism is "Do what the Soviets did except with farmers since 90% of our population is rural" and that obviously isn't something that applies as much going forward. The USSR was rural at the beginning, too.
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VideoTapir posted:The USSR was rural at the beginning, too. Yeah and they clearly went in a different direction, and admittedly industrialization needed to happen and after WW1 that was going to take some major steps. Mao didn't have much to show for his effort until he inked a deal with Nixon, but that more or less created a market place for goods that is finally starting to be tapped dry.
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Apr 18, 2015 20:27
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Bip Roberts posted:"under trotsky" I think this phrasing encapsulates the difference between America and China. In China, you're under Xi's administration. In America, you're governed by Obama's administration.
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Apr 18, 2015 21:17
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computer parts posted:Maoism is "Do what the Soviets did except with farmers since 90% of our population is rural" and that obviously isn't something that applies as much going forward. I am telling you that's not what's taught in the high school class. Mao's policies has been largely ignored by Beijing in last 30 years. Marxism is different. It has its own historical view, its own sets of economic theory. It has its own neat way to explain everything including religions. Very easy to teach in the high school level. You just throw in the "xxxx with Chinese characteristic" in the last few chapters.
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Apr 18, 2015 21:21
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I take it you aren't allowed to be critical about Marx's works huh. Like the "asiatic mode of production"
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My Imaginary GF posted:I think this phrasing encapsulates the difference between America and China. In China, you're under Xi's administration. In America, you're governed by Obama's administration. Except no one was under or governed by Trotsky unless you were in the Red Army.
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Fojar38 posted:I take it you aren't allowed to be critical about Marx's works huh. Like the "asiatic mode of production" For what it's worth, generally Chinese historians actually like the idea of the Asiatic mode of production because it's a good way of arguing for a multilinear scheme of development where Asia (and China especially) has a distinct course from the West, which coincides with the CCP's official ideology. The criticism of the theory by Western scholars as being inherently orientalist or racist was never really an object of concern in China itself, as far as I know (nor among Japanese Marxists), though I don't know much about Chinese historiography since the 90s.
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whatever7 posted:I am telling you that's not what's taught in the high school class. Xxx with Chinese characteristics shouldn't be taken lightly. Most of China's existential horror in the last century has been grappling with the possibility that almost nothing in the previous 5000 of Chinese history was relevant in guiding a modern China forward into the world. So they had to appropriate foreign philosophies to reconstruct what a Modern Chinese state would look like. That's very hard to do for such an old and proud culture that had accomplished so much and put so much into the world. Hence xxx with Chinese characteristics is immensely important. And also things like the cultural revolution.
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Zohar posted:For what it's worth, generally Chinese historians actually like the idea of the Asiatic mode of production because it's a good way of arguing for a multilinear scheme of development where Asia (and China especially) has a distinct course from the West, which coincides with the CCP's official ideology. The criticism of the theory by Western scholars as being inherently orientalist or racist was never really an object of concern in China itself, as far as I know (nor among Japanese Marxists), though I don't know much about Chinese historiography since the 90s. I've always found it amusing that so much of the CCP's official ideology is basically literal 19th century Orientalism.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Xxx with Chinese characteristics shouldn't be taken lightly. Most of China's existential horror in the last century has been grappling with the possibility that almost nothing in the previous 5000 of Chinese history was relevant in guiding a modern China forward into the world. So they had to appropriate foreign philosophies to reconstruct what a Modern Chinese state would look like. That's very hard to do for such an old and proud culture that had accomplished so much and put so much into the world. Hence xxx with Chinese characteristics is immensely important. And also things like the cultural revolution. Holy poo poo a good post in this thread?
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Grand Fromage posted:Since Maoism is basically "be a moron so hard you kill tens of millions through sheer idiocy and gently caress your country over for 50 years" it's hard to teach. So what would Dengism be ? Needs to have something witty about how Deng thought China by 2002 would become a shining beacon of modern egalitarianism without pesky Property Rights or by-elections.
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Hal_2005 posted:So what would Dengism be ? Needs to have something witty about how Deng thought China by 2002 would become a shining beacon of modern egalitarianism without pesky Property Rights or by-elections. Cats with Chinese Characteristics.
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I thought it was FYGM with chinese characteristics.
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Apr 19, 2015 04:43
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Get rich or get hosed with Chinese characteristics.
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Chinese with Chinese characteristics
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My nong wife just had a baby and we named it "American With Chinese Characteristics."
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Any truth to the story that the HKU Chancellor will implement a mandatory mainland exchange programme for all students in 2022?
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Imperialist Dog posted:Any truth to the story that the HKU Chancellor will implement a mandatory mainland exchange programme for all students in 2022? Well, they couldn't pass compulsory "national education" in schools, so the only resort is to send kids to the mainland to be brainwashed instead. Someone mentioned here that 689 had a policy address to increase "cross-border" education exchanges, this was followed up by secondary school programs for poor kids to go to the mainland for one year. The hilarious thing is, I could totally see HKU students choosing to go to Tibet,Xinjiang or Inner Mongolia if the exchange is compulsory, because they are inalienable part of China right???
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Xtronoc posted:Well, they couldn't pass compulsory "national education" in schools, so the only resort is to send kids to the mainland to be brainwashed instead. HAhahahahaha no Hku students are not shining paragons of sticking it to their PRC overlords
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Imperialist Dog posted:Any truth to the story that the HKU Chancellor will implement a mandatory mainland exchange programme for all students in 2022? Yes. source.
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Man why do I even watch HK legco, I'm super pissed, and gently caress the Executive Councilscmp posted:Executive Council member Professor Arthur Li Kwok-cheung has blamed University of Hong Kong academics who "disappear off into Neverland" for HKU's lower global ranking, a month after his appointment to its governing body sparked criticism of his own record in education. Sorry Cantonese only - http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/livestream/channel/legco
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He'll rule Hong Kong.
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gently caress this government.
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Interesting news here: http://www.ejinsight.com/21050423-china-opens-renminbi-card-business-to-foreigners/ quote:China has decided to allow foreign companies to clear renminbi-denominated electronic payments in the domestic market, thus ending UnionPay’s monopoly of the business.
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I used a Visa at an H&M in Zhejiang a few years ago and they pulled out one of those slide out card impression machines from the 80s.
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I don't think I saw a single credit card reader outside of the airport when I was in China so maybe this will encourage adoption there.
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Xtronoc posted:Well, they couldn't pass compulsory "national education" in schools, so the only resort is to send kids to the mainland to be brainwashed instead. It sounds reasonable to me to want students to have a broader cultural understanding of the national as a whole and to break down parochial provincialism. I wouldn't object to having mandatory cross-provincial schooling in Canada if the government were to foot the bill. Zohar posted:For what it's worth, generally Chinese historians actually like the idea of the Asiatic mode of production because it's a good way of arguing for a multilinear scheme of development where Asia (and China especially) has a distinct course from the West, which coincides with the CCP's official ideology. The criticism of the theory by Western scholars as being inherently orientalist or racist was never really an object of concern in China itself, as far as I know (nor among Japanese Marxists), though I don't know much about Chinese historiography since the 90s. There's a really good book Adam Smith in Beijing that goes into this. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:It sounds reasonable to me to want students to have a broader cultural understanding of the national as a whole and to break down parochial provincialism. I wouldn't object to having mandatory cross-provincial schooling in Canada if the government were to foot the bill. No that really doesn't sound like a reasonable proposal at all.
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tsa posted:No that really doesn't sound like a reasonable proposal at all. It's the same principle as foreign exchange students; those are arguably good ideas in that they promote understanding and multiculturalism; having an internal version for when your country is almost the size of a continent in of itself with very varied internal cultures the same argument applies. It's been remarked on multiple occasions there's some degree of contempt between Mainlanders and Hong Kongers, Cantonese and Han, etc, the more people travel and interact with others the better.
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Raenir Salazar posted:It sounds reasonable to me to want students to have a broader cultural understanding of the national as a whole and to break down parochial provincialism. I wouldn't object to having mandatory cross-provincial schooling in Canada if the government were to foot the bill. The last thing any country needs is forced "cultural exchange" programs between regions in order to foster "harmony".
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Ceciltron posted:The last thing any country needs is forced "cultural exchange" programs between regions in order to foster "harmony". That's an obviously lazy and knee jerk counter argument and you should know better.
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