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Who What Now posted:Saying "Death to X!" is akin to saying "gently caress X!" here in America. So if you got cut off in the Middle East you would say "Death to traffic!", but you wouldn't actually mean you literally intended to murder an abstract concept any more than saying "gently caress McDonald's!" because they forgot your dipping sauce for your McNuggets meant you actually wanted to have sex with the Golden Arches. This is all fine and dandy, if Iran didn't invade American soil and bomb our other embassies. When you invade America, kill American diplomats, plot to conduct terrorism on homeland soil, and scream "Death to America" every week? Well, you have American blood on your hands and you're screaming for more. Don't be surprised when the real debate is between bombing and holding off bombing 10 years in the hopes somebody'll emerge as a moderate opposition which we can arm to bomb for us.
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My Imaginary GF posted:When you invade America, kill American diplomats, plot to conduct terrorism on homeland soil, and scream "Death to America" every week? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRmtzgOxtas Never Forgive Never Forget
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McDowell posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRmtzgOxtas Have they even apologized for invading American soil? Not conditionally, not something like 'We're so sorry you weatern dogs forced us to burn your cia honeypot to the ground,' but an actual, unconditional apology? No? If they're not even sorry they invaded America, how the gently caress can we trust them to own the gently caress up to their past nuclear weapon programs and work for a future deal?
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My Imaginary GF posted:Have they even apologized for invading American soil? Not conditionally, not something like 'We're so sorry you weatern dogs forced us to burn your cia honeypot to the ground,' but an actual, unconditional apology? They're waiting for us to apologize for destroying their democracy.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:They're waiting for us to apologize for destroying their democracy. it's not true democracy if you elect Leftists so says MIGF, duke of chicago
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Ralepozozaxe posted:They're waiting for us to apologize for destroying their democracy. We didn't destroy their loving democracy, their power-hungry populist who managed to piss everyone off so much that Iranian elite felt not choice but to coup him destroyed democracy. PupsOfWar posted:it's not true democracy if you elect Leftists  And I'm sure Morsi was on the path towards sustainable democracy in Egypt, right?Mossadegh was the Mohammed Morsi of the 50s.
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My Imaginary GF posted:
Mohammed Morshi was a good man and my friend, MIGF. What do you got against Transitional Dictatorships? Mohammed Morsi was the Lee Kuan Yew of North Africa.
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My Imaginary GF posted:We didn't destroy their loving democracy, their power-hungry populist who managed to piss everyone off so much that Iranian elite felt not choice but to coup him destroyed democracy. Are you sure? And your right, Egypt should have kept the dictator we helped keep in power our support and moolah. Ralepozozaxe fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Apr 20, 2015 |
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Are you sure? I'm goddamn proud we had a role in supporting patriotic Persians in overthrowing a populist hellbent on consolidating power through inappropriate, unsustainable, and worst of all, irrational policy implementation. Of course we had a role supporting representative opposition within Iran overthrow a populist hellbent on dictatorship, in securing Iran from their Chavez for the 50s. And you know what? We'll do it again in Iran, we'll do it in a heartbeat in case the military ever wants to depose the Shah. Or at least, we would under a President who isn't so afraid of arms in the mideast that he'll only authorize airstrikes when a second Benghazi is threatened to imminently occur without them.
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Well I'm glad I left the thread so we could talk about the important things, like school lunches, 10 pages of drakegrim trolling, and Beanghazi. I don't even remember elementary school lunches. I did luck out and get a scholarship to a private school for 3 years of high school, and they did food in a pretty impressive way: tables were set up with like 6-8 kids and either a senior or a teacher sitting at the head of the table. Everyone had a job, and the food was served family-style. You had assigned seats, but they rotated you around and encouraged conversation with anyone you ended up sitting with. The menu was repetitive, but everything was cooked back in the kitchen, and it was clearly "real" food, not stuff that had been pre-frozen. If you're willing to actually hire people who cook, and manage your own kitchen, I can't imagine that it's as expensive as that outsourced contractor food. My favorite school lunch story, though, is from when I got to teach music at a private girls high school in London, near where Marx used to live. The school had been around for a few centuries, and instead of a teachers' lounge, there was a teachers' refectory, with real plates and silverware, and a lunch attendant who acted as a sort of butler; white gloves and all, you got served and taken care of by this guy. Pretty mindblowing for a young teacher in an internship.
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My Imaginary GF posted:I'm goddamn proud we had a role in supporting patriotic Persians in overthrowing a populist hellbent on consolidating power through inappropriate, unsustainable, and worst of all, irrational policy implementation. Of course we had a role supporting representative opposition within Iran overthrow a populist hellbent on dictatorship, in securing Iran from their Chavez for the 50s.
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Quidam Viator posted:Well I'm glad I left the thread- So were we
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JT Jag posted:There is no Shah to overthrow anymore, you know that right There's a populist dictator in Tehran, and he wants nukes. We can either bomb, stall in the hopes of coup'ing and bomb if that fails, or allow him to instigate a nuclear arms race throughout the region whilst his deathsquads roam around gently caress'n with our interests and his proxy groups keep on truck'n with their terrorist actions. Obama, just like with ISIL, is far too pacifist on mideast issues. We only started bombing ISIL in order to avoid Hillary having two Benghazis on her record; what makes you think Obama would overthrow the Ayatollah if presented with a golden opportunity to do so?
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My Imaginary GF posted:We can either bomb, stall in the hopes of coup'ing and bomb if that fails, or allow him to instigate a nuclear arms race throughout the region You forgot the third option, use an international agreement to halt the production of nuclear weapons, install international inspectors, and implement snap-back sanctions if Iran stops complying. But the false dichotomy makes for better rhetoric for conservatives on either side of the issue. Also, the nuclear arms race was started in the Middle East when the West gave Israel nukes.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:So were we OK, fine.
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Trabisnikof posted:Also, the nuclear arms race was started in the Middle East when the West gave Israel nukes. Seriously, we had pretty much ALL the Middle Eastern powers signed onto a 'No Nukes' pledge but Israel kept twiddling their thumbs and ignoring the request. It doesn't help that Edward Teller, when he visited Israel and told them how to make them, asked them to swear to NEVER to sign a no-nuke agreement.
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I just want to point out that to Jeb's credit he does specifically mention the sun as another cause of power grid failure. A solar flare strong enough to destroy the power grid is absolutely a real concern. One passed incredibly close about 2 or 3 years ago. They've hit Earth before but we didn't have large scale electronic use so it's more a question of when than if. And that will be the last time I ever point out anything to Jeb's credit. I need a shower now.
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MIGF I'm not convinced you actually know what "populist" means.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don't know what's funnier, MIGF's trolling getting worse or more people falling for him than usual The Rahm Emanuel schtick was at least mostly factual. Now he's just blatantly spouting bullshit.
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CaptainCarrot posted:The Rahm Emanuel schtick was at least mostly factual. Now he's just blatantly spouting bullshit. And he can't even keep a persona for more than a couple days any more. It would be sad if it were ever anything but sad.
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Who What Now posted:MIGF I'm not convinced you actually know what "populist" means. What do you think populist means? 
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CaptainCarrot posted:The Rahm Emanuel schtick was at least mostly factual. Now he's just blatantly spouting bullshit. Rahm won, progressives lost. Move on, like the Feds have.
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Stultus Maximus posted:And he can't even keep a persona for more than a couple days any more. It would be sad if it were ever anything but sad. Oh come on. He's had the "bomb Iran" persona going on for the past month or two.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Oh come on. He's had the "bomb Iran" persona going on for the past month or two. He's gone native, and now there's no going back.
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Grouchio posted:Were there even worse republican trolls running amok in these threads before the 2008 election results? (when most of them got toxxd) I'd like to see some backlogs. If by "Republican trolls" you mean honest idiots who thought Bush was unfairly maligned and McCain/Palin was a good idea, then yes.
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Grouchio posted:Were there even worse republican trolls running amok in these threads before the 2008 election results? (when most of them got toxxd) I'd like to see some backlogs. They were at least actual Republicans but they all either Toxxed for Romney or got run out by LF or helldump
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Luigi Thirty posted:They were at least actual Republicans but they all either Toxxed for Romney or got run out by LF or helldump The most notable were Arkane of House Huntsman (who claimed at one point to have made something like 200K USD betting on stuff like Romney and Obama getting nominated, I think you'd have to risk like a million bucks to win that much on those propositions), Arzy, and BoostedC5 who had his own poll unskewing sites. Although I don't think they were trolling, I think they were posting in earnest, they were just the rare persistent GOP posters. BoostedC5 did kind of get to the point of trolling at some point if I recall, he had the "rational conservative" thing going for a while but there was a time where he briefly was loudly broadcasting stupid talking points.
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Zwabu posted:The most notable were Arkane of House Huntsman (who claimed at one point to have made something like 200K USD betting on stuff like Romney and Obama getting nominated, I think you'd have to risk like a million bucks to win that much on those propositions), Arzy, and BoostedC5 who had his own poll unskewing sites. Although I don't think they were trolling, I think they were posting in earnest, they were just the rare persistent GOP posters. BoostedC5 did kind of get to the point of trolling at some point if I recall, he had the "rational conservative" thing going for a while but there was a time where he briefly was loudly broadcasting stupid talking points. There was also Yinzer, who was so aggressively stupid he got a ton of double probations in the month leading up to the election. Others might remember him as Alexander Nevermind, who basically did what people think Amergin does: argued with D&D atheists, copy/pasted their responses to an orthodox forum, and then copy/pasted the replies from that forum to a thread until he got caught.
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Miss. State Rep.says some racist poo poo. News at 11quote:State Rep. Gene Alday, R-Walls, publicly apologized Tuesday for controversial statements he made in a Clarion-Ledger article that had sparked outrage among legislators. Oh, it was out of context? Please, provide the context in which this isn't incredibly racist. I'll wait.
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blunt for century posted:Miss. State Rep.says some racist poo poo. News at 11
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Zwabu posted:The most notable were Arkane of House Huntsman (who claimed at one point to have made something like 200K USD betting on stuff like Romney and Obama getting nominated, I think you'd have to risk like a million bucks to win that much on those propositions), Arzy, and BoostedC5 who had his own poll unskewing sites. Although I don't think they were trolling, I think they were posting in earnest, they were just the rare persistent GOP posters. BoostedC5 did kind of get to the point of trolling at some point if I recall, he had the "rational conservative" thing going for a while but there was a time where he briefly was loudly broadcasting stupid talking points. I'm pretty sure BoostedC5 is still here as poster Chris Christie. He was pretty tolerable even if he still held alot of the dumb Republican views but at least he was polite and didn't appear to be aggressively bigoted. The others got wiped out by the Romney tox thread (which hilariously took out alot of liberals as well who couldn't resist the honeypot). But if you go back to pre-2008 it was way more right wing in here. I think the financial explosion in 2007-8 is what woke alot of people, that plus the great LF exodus/migration and everyone getting swept in Obamamania thinking he was going to be some sort of progressive messiah.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Any time someone claims a damaging statement was made out of context it should be pro forma for them to explain the context. The context was he was saying it to other people who are also racist and wouldn't get upset with him.
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Axetrain posted:I'm pretty sure BoostedC5 is still here as poster Chris Christie. He was pretty tolerable even if he still held alot of the dumb Republican views but at least he was polite and didn't appear to be aggressively bigoted. The others got wiped out by the Romney tox thread (which hilariously took out alot of liberals as well who couldn't resist the honeypot). But if you go back to pre-2008 it was way more right wing in here. I think the financial explosion in 2007-8 is what woke alot of people, that plus the great LF exodus/migration and everyone getting swept in Obamamania thinking he was going to be some sort of progressive messiah. Also, a lot of people got swept up in RONPAUL RONPAUL RONPAUL and LF started relentlessly mocking them.
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