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Tae posted:Being tonally consistent is far more important, because guess what this month's mission is? yeah there's this really weird disconnect between how Class G is considered at the Academy and the sort of duties they're entrusted with.
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paragon1 posted:yeah there's this really weird disconnect between how Class G is considered at the Academy and the sort of duties they're entrusted with. Then have things play out the same way; except then it was the rebels seeing through an actual clever ploy; no-one would have expected the rejects to be defending her, have the rebels take out the actual real soldier with them with the squad actually rallying and managing to save her despite everything. It also lets them slam the "ye olde stucke up group" that was really just acting as decoy for them; which is always good storytelling for the ego.
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They should've probably done the entire tournament arc first, instead of fighting the rebel leaders twice, beating them twice, go through 3 ethnic cleansing, prevent the assassination of the Queen, and introduce artificial and real Valkyrians. Instead, we got all that before the 2nd round of the Laevintein cup. During a civil war that needs all hands on deck.
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Tae posted:They should've probably done the entire tournament arc first, instead of fighting the rebel leaders twice, beating them twice, go through 3 ethnic cleansing, prevent the assassination of the Queen, and introduce artificial and real Valkyrians. The civil war at the moment seems like sporadic attacks on Darscen settlements and the odd botched recon. Since the Darscens are of little concerns to the people, they rarely get reported until the fighting spills to an uncontrollable situation that have Lanseal being called in. The Gassernels also have to contend with Landseal counterattacks (which so far have been repulsed). The other classes are probably the ones attacking Gassernel forces in retaliatory raids but as they mentioned it is a tough nut to crack, not helped by the V2. Plus it means glory for the other classes, let Class G do the glorified grunt work, when Class A takes Gassernel fortress and brings the family to Justice they will be the ones to be remembered as the ones who brought stability back to Gallia
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The Diebal Mountains-Encyclopedia A mountain range near the border in southern Gallia. Its mountaintops are covered with snow throughout the year. There were once ragnite mines here, and many Darcsen mine workers settled in the area. The mines are abandoned, but the Darcsens remain. Darcsens frequently revolted due to the conditions they had to work under, and this led to raised awareness for human rights issues. The area holds special meaning for the Darcsens, which is why the rebels have targeted it so aggressively. And now they are mostly dead.  Franca Quest 3    You'll be responsible for quelling the rebel force moving through Leanbluff. Also, you're responsible for recovering Nichol. Wait, "recovering"? What's up with Nichol? He was on patrol duty in the Leanbluff area. Unfortunately, he hasn't returned to the academy. What?! So he's still out there, and the rebels are marching through? It's possible he suffered some injury that has kept him pinned down there. You're to repel the rebel incursion and extract Nichol immediately.*A minute later*   Nichol! Is it true?! Has he really not come back?! Where is he? Is he okay?! Don't tell me he was spotted by the rebels and...  Calm down, Franca! It's not like you to panic like this. We haven't gotten any word of combat in those woods. I'm sure he's just fine. B-But he... If anything were to happen to him, I... He must be so scared. Out there, all alone... Franca? You're shaking... Are you all right?*Franca stops shaking*  I'm sorry. I lost myself for a moment. I'm going with you, Hardins. Let me know the minute that you're ready, *leaves* I guess she must not hate him after all. Well, that's something... Franca's mission is one of the few that lets others deployed. Of course, that means the mission is much harder than usual.  The mission is a lot of APC bridge building and ferrying. The ground also is dangerous because the big mines that can one-hit kill the APC are scattered all over.  The last map is a clear indicator you should bring the Constructor back-pack, because there is a total brickwall in front of the spot to enter and rescue Nichol. Also for some reason Fight is a censored word for the tank. That's why it's F_ _ _t. Why? Hell, I don't know.  Here's Lotte after climbing the made ladder and running around the hill to save Nichol. Two Gatling Turrets, a Lancer, a Sniper on top, and two blockades you literally can't get rid of.  Definitely a type of mission that you have to know the gimmick to A rank successfully. Also note, new name for the squad. Cause I'm bored.  Franca, wait! Your arm is bleeding! This is nothing. Nichol, answer if you can hear me! ...Franca... Nichol?! Nichoool! Are you trying to kill your sister with worry?! I-I'm sorry, Franca... If you think an apology will cut it, you're mad. You should be ashamed. What in the world would I do with myself if I ever lost you? Please, I'm begging you. Don't ever scare me like this again. Nick! You okay, buddy?! Hey, Medic!*A moment later*   Thankfully, it doesn't look too bad. I've gotta sav, though...For as harsh as you are to him, you were sure worked up there, Franca. Of course I was. Nichol is my treasure. Your treasure? That's a pretty drippy line, coming from you. It's the truth. Do you have a problem with that? It's just so dangerous... I was right to follow him to Lanseal. Wait a sec. You applied here just to keep an eye on your brother?I'm very conflicted who's the worst in this relationship right now. Is that so strange? I couldn't let him go off into danger on his own. He's my only brother. Keeping him safe is important to me. Okay. then why are you always so down on him if he's so important to you? If he insists on fighting in the field, he has to be as tough as nails. That doesn't justify abusing the poor kid! You said he was useless. More recognition would mean more missions. And that means more danger.Nick, you gotta tell her you're not related. Like, right now right now. This is unhealthy for both of you.  Dang. Leave it to a shocktrooper to be thorough. I would think you of all people would understand how precious a brother is. Nichol is my treasure. He's all that I have, Avan. And I'll keep him safe. I always have, and I don't intend to stop now. *leaves* Weird. I guess it takes all kinds. Franca gets an attack boost against armor and infantry when Nichol's nearby, which is pretty useful as a tag-team against Commander/boss targets. You know, if she wasn't getting benched after this update.    Good. Very good. I'd say that's sufficient groundwork to begin pushing the frontlines north. If we can claim Yuell and Mellvere, we'll hold the bulk of central Gallia.  And House Gassenarl will return to the capital as Gallia's rulers! The wait has been long, Father. Those centuries since our exile here...And all because of their base deception, usurping the Valkyrian name. Our house could long have been steering the nation along the proper path. Yes, but now the power of the Valkyrur lies with us. Hmm... The Valkyrur are a source of hope for the war-tired masses. We'll exploit that to the utmost possible- Father! You ought not say such things about the-- Listen up, you three! There's a ways yet before we reach Randgriz's gate! Audrey will take Yuell. Baldren and Dirk, Mellvere. We need both cities locked down tight to serve as footholds for the climax. Now go! *later after the meeting*  You saw her, Audrey. The azure witch of the Empire. I did. Hers was a truly chilling, beautiful power. Tremendously destructive. A far cry from what that imitation is capable of. Um...drat girl, burn...? Yes, Dirk is insufficient. A powerful Gallia requires power as she possessed. Were that it were mine!Dude, Dirk took on and lived against a real Valkyrian. That's more than enough to win this war. (thinking)That girl that appeared with the Lanseal cadets... She must be a new model. I cannot leave this matter to Father. Dirk. Come to my chamber later so that I may speak with you. ...Understood.Erik Quest 3   What?! You really think it was stolen? I came back from drills and it was gone. It was this awesome red wallet... So the people who weren't out doing drills are the most likely suspects. Well, at least it's true someone who was out there couldn't have taken it. The people who weren't out drilling today were Erik and... Um, just Erik. Kampmann, huh... Even the most generous person couldn't call him a paragon of ethics. Now hold on a second, you guys. There's no proof he took anything. He's in no position to complain, given his behavior as of late.*Erik walks in*  Um... Were you, uh... Were you there listening the whole time, Erik? ...Yeah. Let me ask you straight. Did you take Lotte's wallet, man? ...No. Not that you'll believe anything I say. Okay, thanks. Sorry to ask you an uncomfortable question. No offense. Now, let's go see if it's not still lying around someplace. We should probably start at the drill grounds, Erik. Hmm...*some time later*  Yeah?! Could you tell us where it is? It's really important we find it. Hmph. I don't see any reason why I should help you people. Degenerates like you are deadweisht on the academy!What a jackass. ...'Scuse you? You wanna say that again, you stuck-up little punk?! Cool it, Erik! All right, how about this? We'll scrimmage for it. If we win, you tell us what you know.I'm sorry, say again?  There's no way you guys would lose to some deadweight, right? Fine. But know that when we win, we're going to own you two....The hell does that mean? Fine by me. All right, Erik. Let's get ready to move out! Hmm... Oh, we're seriously wasting time, gunfire, practice ammunition, and field time to settle where a goddamn wallet is.  Kill everyone. That's it. One map.  I know a lot of missions are filler, but this is really filler.  All right, now let's hear about that wallet! Ugh, I can't believe we lost to this trash...Fine. I saw it in the locker room. It's probably still there.ALL THIS FOR NOTHING. The locker room? What, she just dropped it while she was changing?!*Moments later*  Ugh, that space cadet. So much for having put it in her bag! And this is just a change purse! With all of three ducats in it!I'm going to murder Lotte Well, at least we found it. Let's head back. Hey. Why didn't you think I swiped it? Uhh... because you told me you didn't? Oh sure, like anybody's dumb enough to trust anything I say! You think I don't know what people say about me?!You've known Avan for how many months now? Are you saying they're right? Because I figured it was all just talk. Mm... As far as I'm concerned, the guy I saw talking to that bird is the real you. If a tiny little thing like that can trust you, I can trust you too. I'm just not good with words, you know? When I get mad, I punch things. Then people start talking about it and it just kind of snowballs. Next thing you know, you're some crazy dude with a permanent record. And I couldn't stop them 'cause nobody'd believe me. They just avoided me. So I figured, fine. If that's how it is, I'll just keep to myself. If they won't believe me, I'm not gonna trust them, either. That's rough, man. I guess that explains why you're always so quiet in class. I know the other guys don't mean any harm. Try to forgive them? And you can't just go around punching people when they tick you off! Next time it happens, think of that bird. That'll cool you down. What? Ha ha... You got some weird ideas, you know that? But I hear you. No promises or anything, but I'll work on it. And, uh... Thanks. What's that? I couldn't quite hear.   A powerful upgrade for Erik, who becomes another Shocktrooper that gains an accuracy bonus. Enjoy that on the bench! Erik page   Franca page   quote:She wasn't initially designed with small breasts, but she just happened to be the unfortunate soul lined up next to Marian when we were performing our initial balancing of the characters‘ physical shapes. (laughs) (Sega - Ozawa)
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quote:Franca is insecure about her small breasts, and is easily angered whenever the conversation strays in that direction. Rumor has it that she has tried different methods of increasing her breast size. Jesus Christ I'm glad I never read this art book, it just makes this game so much more sleazy and cringe-worthy when you think about it.
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Lunethex posted:Jesus Christ I'm glad I never read this art book, it just makes this game so much more sleazy and cringe-worthy when you think about it. Christ, I missed that in the other cavalcade of awful that was the quote Tae picked out. What on God's green earth is wrong with these art designers?
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In Anime Civil War, there is only a girl's worry about her breasts.
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So no-one's noticed the gaping plothole you could ram a tank through? The Rebels have cut off the middle of Gallia, hence the Academy being stuck playing soldier to keep things going sideways down south. How the gently caress did Avan and Brixam get to Randgriz?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:So no-one's noticed the gaping plothole you could ram a tank through? The Rebels have cut off the middle of Gallia, hence the Academy being stuck playing soldier to keep things going sideways down south. How the gently caress did Avan and Brixam get to Randgriz? Flying pig. They rode.
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Night10194 posted:Flying pig. They rode. That's just absurd. Porcavian's don't get larger than a small dog, there's no way they'd carry two people  .
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Neddy Seagoon posted:So no-one's noticed the gaping plothole you could ram a tank through? The Rebels have cut off the middle of Gallia, hence the Academy being stuck playing soldier to keep things going sideways down south. How the gently caress did Avan and Brixam get to Randgriz? Either the ocean or some sort of mass-produced version of Isara's plane. The artbook mentioned the Empire and Federation already have flight technology.
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Tae posted:The Diebal Mountains-Encyclopedia Hey, there's no need to be that glum. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
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I like to think that VC's devs knew that both Anime Highschool and a Civil War would be hard to get tonally consistent and tried to balance it out. Unfortunately they did so the worst way by alternating them. Then again I doubt they'd have been able to do 'Highschool Anime with rumblings of rebellion that turns into a full on rebellion' while satisfying their audience's conflict interests.
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loving hell, I knew they were using high school cut-outs but I didn't think they had a literal check-list.
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Night10194 posted:Christ, I missed that in the other cavalcade of awful that was the quote Tae picked out. What on God's green earth is wrong with these art designers? he's a porn dude like, not even in the "all artists do porn at some point to make some needed money" kinda way, as far as i can tell VC is the only thing he's done that isn't
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i'm also pretty sure most artists are pervs. when man first discovered charcoal could make images on a cave wall, they thought, now i can draw a titty whenever i want
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Cake Attack posted:i'm also pretty sure most artists are pervs. And thus, Anime was born.
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Tae posted:
"It's an Honor! :D" Arbite posted:loving hell, I knew they were using high school cut-outs but I didn't think they had a literal check-list.
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I understand what the classmate missions are for, even if you persist in giving Hector an iron sword.
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Helmut Quest 3   The rebels are attacking a village up in the Diebal Mountains. If it's in the mountains, that probably means it's a Darcsen settlement!Keep in mind that classmate missions are basically in their own little bubble world and can be triggered anytime. Then again, the rebels are proven to be giant assholes and could easily send half their army to wipe out like 3 Darcens. Squad B is already there, but they're being pushed back and need support. Now the order's come to us. We need to hurry to the briefing room! Okay. Zeri, Helmut! I want you coming with! Wha--? Avan, what are you thinking? He's from the Empire. The ones that started the Darcsen hunts. There's no way he's going to risk his life to stop them now. What...?*bell rings*  There's the bell, guys. We can talk on the way. For now, get ready to go! *Runs with Helmut* You just don't get it, Avan. You have no idea how many Darcsens suffered and died because of them. Snow is annoying, and what's even more annoying is that somehow the Diebal Mountain missions have less variation than the previous batch. The objective is to capture a base by skipping through a map.   Pretty much the same method, result, etc. Holy gently caress did I underestimate the vertical range of Fencers, though. That's basically full screen.  A rank was 3 turns, but Avan the Fencer gives no fucks how many soldiers guard the objective base.   Understood. Hmm, I don't see any serious injuries. Can you stand, son? Y-Yeah. I'm okay. Thank you. No thanks necessary. Go see the medic there. She'll patch you up. Okay! I'm a soldier. I have my orders, and I'll carry them out. So it's because someone told you to. You wouldn't bother to help them otherwise. Take it as you please. I will grant you that I, like many of my people, am not very fond of you. But my thoughts on the subject have no place in this operation. I am a soldier, and I will fulfill my duty. Even if it's Gallia cracking the whip. As such, it falls on me to obey whatever orders Gallia sees fit to give. That is what I can do for my country. Hmm... I don't ask that you understand. We may be squad mates, but you are still a Darcsen. Precious little hope for understanding exists between us. I'm inclined to agree. We'll never forgive what the Empire did to us. ...But I also won't forget what you're doing to help this village now. Hmph.  Ugh, why does he always pick the worst times to show up? Our chat is at an end. Let's get back to helping these people. One step ahead of you. Come on, Helmut. The beefiest Scout on the team just became harder to kill, with Soldier's Pride increasing his defense. Now, this whole quest is interesting. Helmut didn't really talk for most of it, and the cliche of instant understanding between two races was instead replaced by Helmut's patriotism. He's still racist, but he puts the Empire's orders first above all else, even if that current order is to listen to Avan.   Ooh. my soccer uniform! I was afraid I ruined it when I opened that tear. And my old pillowcase. I can't sleep without it. Thank you, Cosette. Yeah, thanks! You're a real wiz with a needle. Hee hee! Oh, I've been sewing since forever. It was a pretty big hole, and now I can't even see where it was... Hey! Why is there a tulip embroidered on my soccer uniform?! And a dandelion appliaued on my pillowcase? Ah ha ha... I couldn't stop myself at just fixing them. My hand just kinda-- Your hand did NOT slip! It's too embarrassing to wear now, huh, Zeri? This is pretty cute, actually. Whose side are you on?!So I've been skipping a lot of skits recently because most of them are absolutely nothing and super short. So think about that whenever I show a skit off. Reiner Quest 3  Their march has left towns and farmlands in shambles in its wake. Lanseal has been given the order to deploy. Follow Avan's instructions and be ready to so as soon as possible. Dismissed.  If their battalion is that big, there's a good chance Sigrid's in it. I have to find him and talk some sense into him. Of course, man. I hope we find him out there. If we don't,that just means I'll keep looking and looking for him. ...But the hard part will be when I find him. I don't know what I'll do if he doesn't come around. He will. You said you guys were best friends, right? He'll listen. Yeah. I... You're right. Okay, let's get ready! ARLEM!  Another classmate mission in which you can deploy others to capt-it's goddamn Arlem, you know the drill.  RIP Helmut. Forever benched for being too good. Also Reiner, which means my selection of Lancers is really crap now.  Rgh... Reiner? Reiner, is that you? Sigrid?! What are you doing with them?! It's for Gallia... To bring her peace. The country's in chaos! It's the leadership's fault! A regime change will end those abuses and let Gallia prosper again! Ugh.... As a member of the revolution, I can shape Gallia's future myself. I can keep everyone back home safe, Reiner. You should join us! Come take Gallia back with me!   By destroying houses, burning fields, and killing innocent people?! Revolution always comes at a price. If this is the cost of peace... Hey! Why did she die, Sigrid? She was like a little sister to us! A child! Until she was killed by this insane war...And you'd tell me her death was a sacrifice in the name of peace?! Rgh.... We swore an oath that day. That we wouldn't lose anyone else. Whose peace are you fighting for, Sigrid? How is someone who can't keep his home safe going to protect a country? I'm fighting for Lanseal, to keep my town safe. What are you fighting for in the rebel army? Mm... I know you'll remember the promise we made. I have faith in you. Reiner...*slowly leaves* Hey, wait. You're just going to leave it like that? I said my piece. Now it's up to him. I have faith, though. I know he'll come around. You'll have to introduce him to the rest of us when he does. This is why I'm so mad at the game, at times. Because it dangles stories like this that teases potential of something much better. You know, instead of fighting a whole scrimmage match just to find a wallet with no money. Reiner gets a Potential that raises his accuracy, which was the one thing he would want since he already has an anti-armor booster.   That was quick. I'll fight to the death to see Gallia at peace again. With your help, of course.And a new Scout joins the party. Helmut info   quote:We discussed the possibility of turning the "helping Darcsens" event into a sort of feel-good story, but we soon realized that would be too cliché and boring, so we had him perform this mission solely out of a sense of duty. Helmut's main design feature is his hat. This hat is actually an Imperial issue military hat, and wearing it is Helmut's way of expressing his undying loyalty to the Empire. (Sega - Ozowa)   quote:Instead of working with our usual formula for creating a male character that would be popular with the female players, we intentionally designed Reiner to be the kind of character that male players would take a liking to. (Sega - Ozawa]
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Tae posted:So I've been skipping a lot of skits recently because most of them are absolutely nothing and super short. what the gently caress this is not the true vc2 experience where is your pride as an lper, man
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Francis posted:what the gently caress He accidentally clipped it with Avan's sword.
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I actually kind of liked the twist with Helmut's mission. He's still a jerk, but at least he's a professional, and he understands why he's in Gallia and the stakes of what's going on. That's a bit more interesting than I expected from VC2.
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Night10194 posted:I actually kind of liked the twist with Helmut's mission. He's still a jerk, but at least he's a professional, and he understands why he's in Gallia and the stakes of what's going on. That's a bit more interesting than I expected from VC2. Sadly he probably burnt through the interesting personal missions and now left withe dull ones
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This raises an absolutely horrifying number of questions as to what the designers actually think of as cliché, given the sheer number of them we've seen up to this point, down to *every* female's chest size. They're aware of the concept enough to avoid it...but they still use it as a crutch for 80-90% of the game? Do they think the clichés they've been using are actually *interesting*, and thus warrant using? How can they be so self-aware, and yet so twisted? "Ok, we need to have an argument about the nature of Duty vs. Morality here, a character struggling with the terrible implications of the bloodthirst he's been drawing strength from here, and...WOAH, why are their TWO big breasted girls here?!? Someone redraw this ASAP; make her a 24 year old girl who looks like she's actually 12, with a complex about it...that should make her memorable and interesting. What? Personality? I don't care; make her a tsundere or some poo poo. Who even notices crap like that? thetruegentleman fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Apr 20, 2015 |
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Ah, Helmut. Not bad.Internet Kraken posted:This loving game...  paragon1 posted:Good god, Gallia is super loving desperate if they're recruiting recent enemy combatants for officer school.
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thetruegentleman posted:This raises an absolutely horrifying number of questions as to what the designers actually think of as cliché, given the sheer number of them we've seen up to this point, down to *every* female's chest size. They're aware of the concept enough to avoid it...but they still use it as a crutch for 80-90% of the game? Do they think the clichés they've been using are actually *interesting*, and thus warrant using? it's possible they may have had much more creative control over the contents of the character missions than the main plot
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paragon1 posted:Good god, Gallia is super loving desperate if they're recruiting recent enemy combatants for officer school.
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SSNeoman posted:He's explicitly been enrolled as an Imperial peace offering. That's why they shoved him into Class G. he meant siggy
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I'm wondering why they're not, you know, shooting him? Like you'd normally do? Instead of enrolling him in your "prestigious military academy"?
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