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Sulecrist posted:For the record, the only 40k games I play are collaborative, with people I know and usually in the context of a campaign. Unbound is fine and Forgeworld is fine because we aren't really playing to win. I will never go to another 40k tournament--if I want to be competitive, I can (and do) play Warmachine, which doesn't have anything like comp and is specifically designed and balanced for civil but adversarial play. 40k sure as poo poo isn't. I really like the "collaborative" descriptor-- that vs. "competitive" really sums up what I'm looking for in my 40k experiences these days.
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Shield of Baal - worth getting? I'm a fan of smaller games and looks like this box has ... 500points(?) or so of BA and Tyranids?
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JerryLee posted:I really like the "collaborative" descriptor-- that vs. "competitive" really sums up what I'm looking for in my 40k experiences these days. Yeah, definitely. To me, playing 40k competitively seems like playing D&D competitively. Sure, if you pick the right edition it might not be horrible, but you'll probably have to make some rules that invalidate peoples' ideas and it completely misses most of what makes the game so great. Plus when you restrict things in 40k, you're doing more than limiting character concepts; you're restricting hundreds of dollars' and hundreds of hours' worth of product. Last page, I jokingly compared 40k to War with porno cards, but a better comparison would probably be to Eat Poop You Cat. It's much more fun if the mechanics' core goal is subordinated to the game's social goal.
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Sulecrist posted:Yeah, definitely. To me, playing 40k competitively seems like playing D&D competitively. this is a good analogy tbh
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There is actually competitive Dungeons and Dragon games at cons and they are super super fun. Especially when there's like a gorgeous board etc.. set up. There's a couple of variations , Backstabber style where you and the others have to get out but you can kill your party members to get more loot. Or cooperative team play where its your team vs. other teams in the same dungeon. They're super fun. Moola , I've played Dungeons and Dragons with both Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson. ( At cons) I dunno if these types of tourney's are still common though ,but I'm pretty sure Gencon still has one. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Apr 21, 2015 |
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Moola posted:this is a good analogy tbh only because the rules are garbage. There's nothing wrong conceptually with playing a game like 40k competitively, just that the game itself is set up to make that a bad experience for everyone
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Safety Factor posted:I know what you mean here, but I think 3rd edition is a bad example of this. Yes, the original rulebook came with basic lists for all of the factions and the rules. However, 3rd got really bloated with tons of Chapter Approved articles and the trial assault rules. If you wanted to play the current, official version of the game you had to track all that stuff down. Got it on eBay a while ago. Just search skull airbrush stencil. There's plenty.
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Well I like that they're moving toward the "Friendly" tournament format , which seems to be more enticing. 40k Tournaments can be super fun but really it's just a excuse to go play 40k for 4 days straight or go to the Con to play on the open play tables and demo games etc..
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The Sex Cannon posted:What part of MD are you (them?) in? I live just south of DC and if you guys ever want to eat my Guardsmen for lunch, I'd definitely be down! ANAmal's place is up near Hunt valley, but we'd be down for a SoMa/NoVa/DC meetup at some point for some space barbies.
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TheChirurgeon posted:only because the rules are garbage. There's nothing wrong conceptually with playing a game like 40k competitively, just that the game itself is set up to make that a bad experience for everyone yes Hollismason posted:There is actually competitive Dungeons and Dragon games at cons and they are super super fun. Especially when there's like a gorgeous board etc.. set up. There's a couple of variations , Backstabber style where you and the others have to get out but you can kill your party members to get more loot. Or cooperative team play where its your team vs. other teams in the same dungeon. wow thats pretty neat brother!
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So, as the saying goes, even a stopped bell tolls twice a day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7qAWauBAkM In other news, how the hell are other armies supposed to kill a single wraithknight, now that they're gargs? The only things I can think of are blasting it with your own D, or meleeing it with TH/SS terminators, or force hammer GK's.
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TheChirurgeon posted:ANAmal's place is up near Hunt valley, but we'd be down for a SoMa/NoVa/DC meetup at some point for some space barbies. I've been in DC quite a bit lately and I'm surprised at the lack of hobby stores within the cities borders. Given the young crowd, I'm truly amazed.
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Hollismason posted:Well I like that they're moving toward the "Friendly" tournament format , which seems to be more enticing. 40k Tournaments can be super fun but really it's just a excuse to go play 40k for 4 days straight or go to the Con to play on the open play tables and demo games etc.. Yeah that kind of sounds fun. Especially the 30k or Apocalypse or Kill Team events where you're really just participants in a sweet scenario that's bigger than any individual winner or loser.
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Texmo posted:So, as the saying goes, even a stopped bell tolls twice a day. My plan is to bring Deathmarks with a D- Lord and a squad of Heavy Destroyers. Pretty sure the Deathmarks wound on a 2+ when deep striking in works on Gargantuan regardless of their 6+ sniper rule since it's a special rule .D- Lord Giving them Reroll 1s from preferred enemy. Space Marines can kill with Drop Podding Grav Centurions.
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Miles O'Brian posted:Does anyone have pics of those kickin' rad bone and turquoise Dark Eldar that some goon painted a while back? They had pink accents and were gorgeous, particularly the Scourges. Richyp. Or something like that. His avatar is a tank Busta nob eating a rokkit. That is the goon you are looking for. He might have his posts back in the old painting thread.
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Jeff Sichoe posted:Shield of Baal - worth getting? The Blood Angel side outweighs the Tyranid side by about 200 points I think, so more like 700/500. If you don't have much invested in 40k, it has the rulebook and formations and such for everything in it, I say go for it.
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Hollismason posted:My plan is to bring Deathmarks with a D- Lord and a squad of Heavy Destroyers. Pretty sure the Deathmarks wound on a 2+ when deep striking in works on Gargantuan regardless of their 6+ sniper rule since it's a special rule .D- Lord Giving them Reroll 1s from preferred enemy. I suppose snipers in general always wound on a 4+ right? then again the chance of them saving is pretty high so it isn't reliable. Grav-Cents, or a couple squads of bikers with Grav/Combi-Grav could likely put the hurt on one. Also, a Lascannon team might be able to put a couple wounds on one per round, but yeah that is still a bit of time to burn through 6 wounds. I don't know what else you would do other than tarpit it...
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Uroboros posted:I suppose snipers in general always wound on a 4+ right? then again the chance of them saving is pretty high so it isn't reliable. Grav-Cents, or a couple squads of bikers with Grav/Combi-Grav could likely put the hurt on one. Also, a Lascannon team might be able to put a couple wounds on one per round, but yeah that is still a bit of time to burn through 6 wounds. I don't know what else you would do other than tarpit it... nope; sniper wounds on 6, as does poison, thanks to it being a garg creature. It also has FNP, and will always be able to have at least 5+ cover due to being able to place it's toe in some crater somewhere.
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Gargantuan creatures are only wounded on a 6 by sniper an poison shots, but the Deathmarks have a special ability to always wound on a 2 + the turn they arrive from deep strike.
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There's also fleshbane for that, but where the hell do you get massed fleshbane shots?
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Texmo posted:nope; sniper wounds on 6, as does poison, thanks to it being a garg creature. Ah, forgot that it applied to both Poison and Sniper attacks, I don't use the later much so the other was the only one that stuck in my head. Yeah, I guess you are boned unless you have Grav as a Space Marine, since you aren't really in the business of tarpitting. Imperial Guard don't really have anything that is going to effect a Wraith Knight, and with their normal BS their Lascannon teams are going to be missing 50% of the time, followed by +5 cover, and +5 FnP it isn't worth your time. Might as well bring conscripts with a Commissar and just tie them up, if you can get there. Something I think would be nice in tournaments, would be to allow a sideboard much in the same way magic works. Something small like a 500 point sideboard force that you can sub in depending on what army you think you might be against. Gargs are immune to the instant death special rule as well, right?
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Uroboros posted:Gargs are immune to the instant death special rule as well, right? Does d3 wounds, which is worse than eternal warrior
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Does d3 wounds, which is worse than eternal warrior I was thinking Chaos forces have a lot of ID and Fleshbane stuff, so they could put the hurt on a Wraith Knight. Of course this likely means dumping even more points into a Demon Prince or whatever than the Wraith Knight itself cost your opponent.
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A Daemon Prince of Nurgle hopped up on Biomancy can own it pretty hard if it can somehow get the charge off which isn't likely. The other option is trying to get maybe some of the other Nurgle stuff on it. Lemme dig up me book.
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How has no one posted this yet?
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No, but that Evesor looks awesome, really like that . Daemon Prince : Nope, the Plaguesword is poisoned 4+ , so unless he got Biomancy or the Fleshbane ability it'd only wound on a 6.
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PierreTheMime posted:How has no one posted this yet? I'm the pillars and dirt inside a space ship. It's me
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If your list can't pick up a couple wraithknights you lost before the game started. I mean what happens if you pull an imp knight? The tools to kill that work just as well against wraithknights.
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Improbable Lobster posted:I'm the pillars and dirt inside a space ship. It's me If you don't have crumbling stone pillars inside your fourteen-mile wide cathedral spaceship I don't know what to tell you.
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PierreTheMime posted:How has no one posted this yet? Ah yes let's make the Callidus completely obnoxious to transport.
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Moola posted:i like the skull man assassin I like the skull man with all the wires coming out of his skull
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PierreTheMime posted:How has no one posted this yet? Well I got the GW teaser video, but hot piss! Realy hoping the rumors of the opponents just being chaos cultists and marines turns out to be not entirely accurate though, models for imperium citizenry or somesuch would be fantastic
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Also good luck with getting her out of LOS on that base.
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Wow, I really dig those assassin models. The Vindicare looks slick and the Eversor looks like the old Codex: Assassins cover, but tilted like 30 degrees:
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Improbable Lobster posted:I'm the pillars and dirt inside a space ship. It's me they look like they could reasonably be parts of damaged bulkheads or w/e as for the dirt, i mean what, are you not going to take an opportunity to use Citadel(tm) basing products
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I really dislike those 'action' bases as 99% of the time they don't fit with what the model is actually meant to be doing.
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Naramyth posted:If your list can't pick up a couple wraithknights you lost before the game started. I mean what happens if you pull an imp knight? The tools to kill that work just as well against wraithknights. It is really about the time you spend trying to kill it, heck like the drop pod list you had from earlier with all the Marines sporting melta-weapons. Those Marine squads cost a good 200+ points when you count their drop pods, and those melta-guns only have a 50/50 chance of even wounding the Wraith Knight. I am not saying they couldn't handle it in time, but unless you divert a ridiculous amount of firepower towards it, it won't die anytime soon it seems like just assaulting in melee would be more effective at that point. All sorts of stuff that will work against a Imperial Knight is going to be much less effective against a Garg Creature. All the Melta has a chance of shedding multiple hull points from a Imperial Knight, but a Wraithknight is only going to take one wound at a time. Same applies for Lascannons and such, you can manage penetrating hits against a Superheavy to at least get a more than single hull point per shot.
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