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Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

I still don't think it's a sexual thing. I think he just has a bizarre OCD compulsion to gently caress around with people's hair and most men he meets don't have pig/ponytails. Also helps that women are less likely to react with uncontrollable rage.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 07:49

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# ? May 10, 2024 02:10

swampland: Oct 16, 2007; Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

this madmans unquenchable lust for pony tails can not be contained

swampland fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Apr 22, 2015

# ? Apr 22, 2015 07:54

klen dool: May 7, 2007; Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Slavvy posted:

I still don't think it's a sexual thing. I think he just has a bizarre OCD compulsion to gently caress around with people's hair and most men he meets don't have pig/ponytails. Also helps that women are less likely to react with uncontrollable rage.

How do you explain the "tantalising" comment? Anyway, sexual harassment often isn't a sexual thing for the perpetrator - its about power over the victim. Women are trained to not speak out, men are trained to be bold, when a man does this its inherently a sexual thing even if the perpetrator doesn't think so. In this case, there is physical intimidation as well as sexual, since he has 4 goons with him and also is described as being physically larger. Finally, there is political intimidation since he is the pm.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 08:08

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

Saros posted:

[e]Thread needs a more appropriate title stat.

New Zealand: johnkeytouchinghair.tumblr.com

# ? Apr 22, 2015 08:12

Moongrave: Jun 19, 2004; Finally Living Rent Free

New Zealand: Creepy Hair Touching Megathread

# ? Apr 22, 2015 08:14

Butt Wizard: Nov 3, 2005; It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Someone start a campaign to make JK shave for a cure.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 08:21

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

klen dool posted:

How do you explain the "tantalising" comment? Anyway, sexual harassment often isn't a sexual thing for the perpetrator - its about power over the victim. Women are trained to not speak out, men are trained to be bold, when a man does this its inherently a sexual thing even if the perpetrator doesn't think so. In this case, there is physical intimidation as well as sexual, since he has 4 goons with him and also is described as being physically larger. Finally, there is political intimidation since he is the pm.

I think you're dead-set on making it sexual, against all sense and reason. I very much doubt that he's both a pedophile and a wanna-be conventional rapist. It strikes me as being more like the kind of habits obsessive-compulsive people have - like he's unable to resist the urge to childishly tug on people's hair and hasn't learned to restrain himself because he's the goddamn PM. I'm not saying it's right or good but desperately trying to force it into being a sex thing against all reason doesn't really help anything.

"Tantalising" is not "titillating" and the impression I get is of him trying to imply "if you didn't want me to tug on it like an enormous child, why would you tie it up in a ponytail? :smug:

"

Saying there's physical intimidation is pretty ridiculous though. He isn't an african warlord. The waitress isn't in fear of JK hitting her or committing some act of violence against her, ditto the security (who are quite literally working a government job and aren't actually super-villain henchmen who dispose of bodies).

# ? Apr 22, 2015 08:21

The Rabbi T. White: Jul 17, 2008

It is quite obviously the free hand of the market correcting a power imbalance.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 08:30

puchu: Sep 20, 2004; hiya~

I'm bored of this hair story now.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 09:05

Moongrave: Jun 19, 2004; Finally Living Rent Free

puchu posted:

I'm bored of this hair story now.

He's also a rapist and a pedophile.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 09:09

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

Yeah but that's just the kind of habit obsessive-compulsive people have.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 09:14

puchu: Sep 20, 2004; hiya~

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

He's also a rapist and a pedophile.

I'm bored of this rapist and paedophile story now

# ? Apr 22, 2015 09:14

Moongrave: Jun 19, 2004; Finally Living Rent Free

puchu posted:

I'm bored of this rapist and paedophile story now

I hear he likes to have beer, and BBQs

Just like us!

# ? Apr 22, 2015 09:16

puchu: Sep 20, 2004; hiya~

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

I hear he likes to have beer, and BBQs

Just like us!

I don't know, I'm not really in to the paedophilia

# ? Apr 22, 2015 09:17

Moongrave: Jun 19, 2004; Finally Living Rent Free

puchu posted:

I don't know, I'm not really in to the paedophilia

It was just horsing around you see. He was just joking with the baby rape.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 09:17

puchu: Sep 20, 2004; hiya~

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

It was just horsing around you see. He was just joking with the baby rape.

This is a serious forum for debate and discussion, not for jokes, laughs, puns, funnies, japes,

# ? Apr 22, 2015 09:26

voiceless anal fricative: May 6, 2007

For all of Bombers bullshit and naivete/zeal, he timed the release of this perfectly. JK is on a 26 hour flight Turkey, so he only had time for that brief, lovely comment from LAX. Meanwhile the media have had a full run at it before he gets a chance to play any sort of damage control.

Overseas media are picking up on it too, its front page of the Guardian now.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 09:35

klen dool: May 7, 2007; Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Slavvy posted:

I think you're dead-set on making it sexual, against all sense and reason. I very much doubt that he's both a pedophile and a wanna-be conventional rapist. It strikes me as being more like the kind of habits obsessive-compulsive people have - like he's unable to resist the urge to childishly tug on people's hair and hasn't learned to restrain himself because he's the goddamn PM. I'm not saying it's right or good but desperately trying to force it into being a sex thing against all reason doesn't really help anything.

"Tantalising" is not "titillating" and the impression I get is of him trying to imply "if you didn't want me to tug on it like an enormous child, why would you tie it up in a ponytail? "

Saying there's physical intimidation is pretty ridiculous though. He isn't an african warlord. The waitress isn't in fear of JK hitting her or committing some act of violence against her, ditto the security (who are quite literally working a government job and aren't actually super-villain henchmen who dispose of bodies).

The waitress said she was intimidated, so, she was. I am not dead set on making it a sexual thing - it is, despite what any of us want.

Edit: I never said he was a rapist or a paedophile btw

# ? Apr 22, 2015 09:40

Butt Wizard: Nov 3, 2005; It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

I look forward to this being dragged out to overshadow the Gallipoli centenary.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 09:42

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

John Keys is an international laughing stock & it owns

WaPo, NYT, BBC, France's largest newsmag, etc etc

# ? Apr 22, 2015 09:44

edogawa rando: Mar 20, 2007

A Canadian guy I know was like "what the gently caress" over this as well.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 10:22

Varkk: Apr 17, 2004

I can't wait for our two-minute mention on the next episode of Last Week Tonight. Even better will be all of the shares of the clip on Facebook and the ten minute story about how we were mentioned on a US show leading the news the next night.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 10:28

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

Exclamation Marx posted:

John Keys is an international laughing stock & it owns

WaPo, NYT, BBC, France's largest newsmag, etc etc

THIS makes me happy.

C'mon media! Be the little battlers for truth we all wish you could be! Dismember the creepy-yet-actually-a-massive-oval office PM!

I'm not getting my hopes up for anyone in NZ actually caring about this. I really, really want to be wrong though.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 10:30

Moo Cowabunga: Jun 15, 2009; [Office Worker.

SOMETHING ABOUT BEING HAIR

# ? Apr 22, 2015 10:31

Moongrave: Jun 19, 2004; Finally Living Rent Free

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

SOMETHING ABOUT BEING HAIR

Hair to the throne: PM's son also a follicle fancier.

Hire me, Herald.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 10:33

Moo Cowabunga: Jun 15, 2009; [Office Worker.

Rugby World Cup is on soon so this will be meaningless and I will once again sell my own children to have a chance to have a beer with that blokes bloke hair pulling JK

# ? Apr 22, 2015 10:36

Moo Cowabunga: Jun 15, 2009; [Office Worker.

Fukin love rugby

It's all that matters

# ? Apr 22, 2015 10:37

voiceless anal fricative: May 6, 2007

where's the porn with a John Key impersonator where he's banging some girl/dude who repeatedly says "oh yeah pull my hair Johnny"

someone needs to pitch this to a porn producer

# ? Apr 22, 2015 11:19

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/9836454/Roger-Sutton-dubbed-the-Bald-Eagle

# ? Apr 22, 2015 11:20

A human heart: Oct 10, 2012

the prime minister's office has a huge wall covered in mounted pony tails he's collected from potential voters

# ? Apr 22, 2015 12:33

dusty: Nov 30, 2004

No Minister is outraged on behalf of the real victim here

http://nominister.blogspot.co.nz/2015/04/je-suis-john-key.html

quote:

Je suis John Key

David Cunliffe's Marriage to Karen Price dissolves amid suggestions that the great helmsman might be doing some homework with a particularly bubbly political reporter with an impeccable pedigree.

Helen Clark marries a professor and it is later revealed it was an arranged marriage to satisfy the troughmaster general' considered opinion that to reach the exhaulted office of PM she should be "Married", it was suggested later that the blushing bride was in fact in tears.
That it later degenerated somewhat with a hurried exit from LA of "hubby" with rumours of high level diplomatic intervention was never 'news'.

David Lange's marriage is a shambolic charade when David gets more than a little too friendly with his senior speech writer Margaret Pope who was later described as the Fourth Labour Government's very own Yoko Ono a reference to the woman credited with the breakup of the Beetles.

David Parker becomes a jiggilo when he usurps stroke victim and Labour stalwart Chris Knox's woman.

Lecherous Len "pantsdown" Brown has an adulterous affair with a person holding a position with the Mayor's council and the sordid affair is revealed after a second term victory with major emphasis on his loving family life among his powerbase voters of Manakau.

John Key tugs a coffee waitresses pigtail in a cafe he frequents and later apologises adding a couple of bottles of wine when he is made aware he has been causing some apparent degree of upset to the young lady.

Three Prime Ministers and two wannabe also rans and the Mayor of our largest city all involved in what many might think are lapses in judgement.
Five from team red and one from team blue but one of these Six is a standout, for a very simple reason.

Here is one clue.

Five of them only became common knowledge after they happened the sixth also became revealed some time later but for what may turn out to be different circumstances.
You may be still guessing what was the profound difference to the treatment the standout one received.

Here it is, does any one recall any of the team red incidents being the lead item on TVOne six pm infotainment hour.

At present John Key is enroute for Gallipoli centenary events on the peninsula that many accept is where our nationhood and that of our Aussie cousins was forged and the ANZAC legend was born.
Today on his tatty raving socialist blog, Two votes Martyn Martin Bradbury launches the big reveal about the Key incident based on the evidence of the still anonymous young woman.
The incident happened some weeks ago and the luvvies who spend their days looking in vain for the big shootout that will leave Mr Key bleeding out from wounds, were on fire.
All laid out as the lead off for the state TVs flagship news effort.

Yes Key was imprudent and it is yet to be revealed as to what motivated the "Victim" who apparently accepted an apology, and presumably has disposed of the wine, but the timing and the whole methodology of the expose leave me thinking there could well be some remarkable similarities to the Honey trap that sank the SS Richard Worth when his indiscretion partner was found to be very close politically and socially to one Philip Goff.

One Of Keys endearing traits that have seen him hold remarkable polling strength is his affable, approachable normal bloke persona that has him continually being confronted with the "selfie" epidemic, so news that someone has taken offense after some nine years at the helm of National "is the end of the dream", gimme a break please.

FFS it was in broad daylight, in public, in the company of wife Bronagh, at a caf� regularly attended when some normality is being sought, but that wont save him, he is a rapist, a liar, a sloth and he is proven to be totally unfit to be our Prime minister, hanging will be too kind.

This ending of the Key administration is right up there with Tony Abbott downing a 'schooner' of Victorian Bitter.

Psst luvvies your slip is showing.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 12:45

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

"people" on my Facebook think the hair touching is normal fatherly behavior :stonkhat:

# ? Apr 22, 2015 13:01

Somfin: Oct 25, 2010; In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.; Nap Ghost

Slavvy posted:

"Tantalising" is not "titillating"

Tantalising is WAY more worrying than titillating is. Titillating is what gets you off. Tantalising is the forbidden, that which taunts with its unobtainability. He's basically saying that he sees ponytails as a form of teasing.

That John Key touches women's ponytails because he finds them tantalising is basically an admission that he is willingly abusing his power as PM in order to touch women. The fact that he isn't touching them in an overtly sexual area doesn't make it less of an abuse. And the fact that he, John Key, master of smug self-control, does it on camera, to multiple (often underage) women who are unaware of or unwilling to react to his touch, just makes it eery.

What if it was literally any other part of a person's body? What if he called literally any other part of a woman's body 'tantalising' and was filmed touching schoolgirls there on camera while they tried not to react?

I'm not saying he's a power-abusing pedophile. I'm saying that if I wrote a story with a character who touches and fondles little girls' hair just because they're within arms' reach, does so multiple times on live TV, and expects no one to react because he's a right-wing Prime Minister, you would assume he was a power-abusing pedophile.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 13:01

Leospeare: Jun 27, 2003; I lack the ability to think of a creative title.

dusty posted:

No Minister is outraged on behalf of the real victim here

http://nominister.blogspot.co.nz/2015/04/je-suis-john-key.html

I'm gonna just go ahead and say that I'm more comfortable with a political leader who commits adultery than I am with one who commits sexual assault.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 13:52

Big Bad Beetleborg: Apr 8, 2007; Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

bobbilljim posted:

"people" on my Facebook think the hair touching is normal fatherly behavior

This is what I'm expecting at my work, even from the woman whose 16 year old daughter has been stalked and assaulted by a a creepy old dude who thought her tantalising method of shelf-stacking at a supermarket entitled him to grab her butt and follow her home.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 19:25

edogawa rando: Mar 20, 2007

Ghostlight posted:

Countdown to a leak of the waiters' identity through the regular channels.

Within 24 hours.

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/04/23/update-the-prime-minister-and-the-waitress-part-2-dirty-politics/

# ? Apr 22, 2015 19:32

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

Somfin posted:

Tantalising is WAY more worrying than titillating is. Titillating is what gets you off. Tantalising is the forbidden, that which taunts with its unobtainability. He's basically saying that he sees ponytails as a form of teasing.

That John Key touches women's ponytails because he finds them tantalising is basically an admission that he is willingly abusing his power as PM in order to touch women. The fact that he isn't touching them in an overtly sexual area doesn't make it less of an abuse. And the fact that he, John Key, master of smug self-control, does it on camera, to multiple (often underage) women who are unaware of or unwilling to react to his touch, just makes it eery.

What if it was literally any other part of a person's body? What if he called literally any other part of a woman's body 'tantalising' and was filmed touching schoolgirls there on camera while they tried not to react?

I'm not saying he's a power-abusing pedophile. I'm saying that if I wrote a story with a character who touches and fondles little girls' hair just because they're within arms' reach, does so multiple times on live TV, and expects no one to react because he's a right-wing Prime Minister, you would assume he was a power-abusing pedophile.

You argue the point a lot better than klen dool; you're probably right.

Leospeare posted:

I'm gonna just go ahead and say that I'm more comfortable with a political leader who commits adultery than I am with one who commits sexual assault.

Adultery for people in power is practically the norm and I'd be shocked and appalled if I voted for someone on the basis of their pristine, wholesome family life and they turned out to actually be pristine and wholesome.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 19:34

Big Bad Beetleborg: Apr 8, 2007; Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

Vagabundo posted:

Within 24 hours.

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/04/23/update-the-prime-minister-and-the-waitress-part-2-dirty-politics/

And here is the Herald article: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11436978

# ? Apr 22, 2015 19:42

Project M.A.M.I.L.: Apr 30, 2007; Older, balder, fatter...

*Opens Herald website*

*Sees that some 'journalist' is already calling it Ponytailgate*

*Closes laptop and sighs*

Poor girl, it's bad enough having weird or rude customers, imagine having one who thought it was appropriate to touch you also. And it's the PM so you feel like maybe you can't do anything about it, then when you do tell people about it they think it's normal for someone to do what amounts to abuse or bullying.

If Helen Clark had squeezed some guy's bum or had a thing for touching shaven headed men you bet there'd be some sort of outcry, but not for our John.

I don't even know what my point is, the whole thing is frustrating and sad and then the Herald comes along to gently caress things up even more.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 20:19

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Varkk: Apr 17, 2004

bobbilljim posted:

"people" on my Facebook think the hair touching is normal fatherly behavior

They would have a good point, if he was her father.

# ? Apr 22, 2015 20:31

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