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Stop the press everyone. My so called friend says we should be worried about JK's feelings, as he has pretty much been bullied by this waitress. This friend is a young lady 
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Apr 23, 2015 01:00
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bobbilljim posted:My so called friend says we should be worried about JK's feelings, as he has pretty much been bullied by this waitress. 
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Apr 23, 2015 01:03
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Butt Wizard posted:I will laugh so hard if the Alpine Fault ruptures and Key gets out of this. The loss of numerous lives of ordinary people. While keeping the image and power of the rich and powerful intact. Sounds fitting for Anzac Day.
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Apr 23, 2015 01:05
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puchu posted:Let he without sin cast the first stone, especially regarding browsing history!! Yeah you're right some things are sacred.  Edit: Except for like, if they need to look to check you're not a terrorist obviously. Ruttiger fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 01:08
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JK's up for sexual harassment now.
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Apr 23, 2015 01:31
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As a UK resident I would like to apologise that the recent outsourcing of our official kiddy fiddling investigation to New Zealand has apparently caused an outbreak of child fondling in your government also
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Apr 23, 2015 01:48
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Apr 23, 2015 01:49
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Slavvy posted:JK's up for sexual harassment now. Oh boy this is gonna be good 
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Apr 23, 2015 01:56
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I suspect it's going to be ultimately disappointing and he's going to have a "phoenix from the ashes" glow at some convenient time in the future.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:01
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echinopsis posted:I suspect it's going to be ultimately disappointing and he's going to have a "phoenix from the ashes" glow at some convenient time in the future. I dunno, 'sexual harrasser' is gonna be a pretty easy sell for people to vote against.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:06
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Somfin posted:I dunno, 'sexual harrasser' is gonna be a pretty easy sell for people to vote against. I'd like to think so, but cutting funding for Christchurch's rape crisis service or palling around with Tony Veitch didn't do much to his popularity; the people who support him will find ways to downplay this as a misunderstanding.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:15
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Somfin posted:I dunno, 'sexual harrasser' is gonna be a pretty easy sell for people to vote against. Yeah but the thing is most voting people would not consider this "sexual" despite what everyone in this thread says. If people think the accusation is a joke, then it will only work in his favour.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:18
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echinopsis posted:Yeah but the thing is most voting people would not consider this "sexual" despite what everyone in this thread says. If people think the accusation is a joke, then it will only work in his favour. It's been filed by Graham McCready, you tell me how this is going to go.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:19
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Somfin posted:I dunno, 'sexual harrasser' is gonna be a pretty easy sell for people to vote against. It's a lot easier for people to understand and relate to how harassing a waitress is bad rather than how the runaway housing market is loving up the future or signing the TPPA could lead to Pharmac being crippled.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:24
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echinopsis posted:Yeah but the thing is most voting people would not consider this "sexual" despite what everyone in this thread says. If people think the accusation is a joke, then it will only work in his favour. Left-wing smear campaign will be out of his mouth at some point in the next few days.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:24
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Butt Wizard posted:It's been filed by Graham McCready, you tell me how this is going to go. I literally have no idea.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:30
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Somfin posted:I dunno, 'sexual harrasser' is gonna be a pretty easy sell for people to vote against.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:33
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This one is a bit different because it's objectively weird and he admitted to it right away. The allegations of assault etc. is where the PC Gone Mad crowd can get some footing. and never forget the international factor, imo.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:37
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Am I really in the minority thinking this is blown out of proportion? It's obvious Key stuffed up - but it does seem when he realised, after the waitress told him, he apologised. What else could anyone do? To me it just seems like he made a mistake, regardless of whatever his opinion is on touching people's hair, and did what any normal person would do when he realised he should stop. But now I'm seeing 'sexual harassment' and that he should face legal action. What the gently caress. I don't want to diminish how uncomfortable the waitress feels but really what else could Key have done?
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Apr 23, 2015 02:39
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a normal person wouldn't keep touching somebody's hair over a period of weeks when they had made it clear they didn't like it
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Apr 23, 2015 02:44
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Exclamation Marx posted:a normal person wouldn't keep touching somebody's hair over a period of weeks when they had made it clear they didn't like it A normal person wouldn't tug on an unfamiliar woman's hair in the first place.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:47
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well yeah. it's only close to excusable the first time, if he really thought that he and the staff had that kind of relationship. i feel like it's been unclear from reports that it was actually over a long period and not multiple times during one cafe visit.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:52
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I mostly agreed with armstrong's take in the herald - http://www.donotlink.com/etl3
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Apr 23, 2015 02:52
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Exclamation Marx posted:well yeah. it's only close to excusable the first time, if he really thought that he and the staff had that kind of relationship. i feel like it's been unclear from reports that it was actually over a long period and not multiple times during one cafe visit. You should change your av to this
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Apr 23, 2015 02:54
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truther posted:Am I really in the minority thinking this is blown out of proportion? The issue is when he "realised" - from her story it wasn't after multiple complaints about it to her employers or to his security, or when she told him personally to stop touching her, it was when she threatened to physically assault him. The thing anyone could do is perhaps take any of those things as a sign that maybe they should stop touching up a stranger's hair. A normal person would have realised long before it got to that point. Actually, a normal person wouldn't be yanking on a grown woman's hair like it's a servant bell.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:54
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echinopsis posted:I literally have no idea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_McCready i.e. instantly can be instantly spun as opportunist attention seeking from someone with a well-documented history of it. You couldn't pick a less credible person to position themselves in the middle of all this.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:58
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truther posted:Am I really in the minority thinking this is blown out of proportion? Not have touched a woman without her consent? Stopped the first time she said to? He kept doing it even when told to stop. He tried to have his wife take the blame for it. He said it was the waitress' fault for having such a 'tantalising' ponytail. He tried to downplay touching a woman inappropriately as 'just horsing around.' He tried to buy his way out with wine. At best, he deliberately made someone in a service role feel uncomfortable for his amusement. At worst, he did exactly that while being the most powerful person in the country. As for the sexual aspect, remove "hair" from the sentence "The Prime Minister fondled her hair repeatedly, even after being directly asked to stop" and replace it with any exterior body part that is not hair. The fact that this might as well be sexual should become rapidly obvious. If it's not sexual, some aspect of touching her must be appealing to similar base urges. I don't think it's being blown out of proportion, because John Key has built his entire political career on his image of being a nice, approachable guy. That he has this abusive streak in him, this pointless, bullying cruelty toward female service workers, should be trumpeted from the loving rooftops. I don't want a Prime Minister who would act like this.
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Apr 23, 2015 03:00
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truther posted:Am I really in the minority thinking this is blown out of proportion? The real story here is not that Key hosed up by harassing a waitress, it's how the National PR smear team leapt into action to target the victim, allowing Key to walk away from the whole situation after apologising and sending the waitress wine, happy in the knowledge his underlings are going to loving destroy her. El Pollo Blanco fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 03:10
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I am yet to see any photos of JK fondling boy's hair where are the rat tail fondles
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Apr 23, 2015 03:26
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El Pollo Blanco posted:The real story here is not that Key hosed up by harassing a waitress, it's how the National PR smear team leapt into action to target the victim, allowing Key to walk away from the whole situation after apologising and sending the waitress wine, happy in the knowledge his underlings are going to loving destroy her. There is literally no proof that John Key's "Smear Team" has done anything. There's the infinitely more likely possibility that a lovely gossip columnist may have acted really unethically to get a story. Who else are you counting in his 'smear team'? Fran O'Sullivan or John Roughan at the Herald, one of which said they were ashamed he was PM and the latter who essentially called him a dick? I'm not exactly seeing much positive spin being put on this by anyone but Key, and so badly that he's not convincing anyone.
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Apr 23, 2015 03:27
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The only people I've seen so far blaming the victim are ordinary shitheads with Facebook accounts.
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Apr 23, 2015 03:34
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http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/ponytail-saga-herald-changes-its-story-three-times-suffers-meltdown-6298704 Kind of unusual for media outlets in different industries to take each other to task like this but it's pretty funny when it does happen.
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Butt Wizard posted:http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/ponytail-saga-herald-changes-its-story-three-times-suffers-meltdown-6298704 So Glucina takes a bullet for Key and suddenly this isn't a discussion about abuse of power, it's really about ethics in journalism journalism. E: Just watch, the real discussion will be about Glucina, her role in all of this, how the media should treat potential victims. Every reporter in the New Zealand is theoretically an expert on reporting and journalism (for the purposes of their stories), so they'll fall all over themselves calling up Media Studies professors and seeking comment from each other. The sexual harassment case against Key gets quietly settled and by the time the dust clears the only villain will be that evil woman who pretended to be in PR. Somfin fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 03:52
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Somfin posted:it's really about ethics in journalism journalism. Turn left noooo
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Apr 23, 2015 03:54
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Butt Wizard posted:http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/ponytail-saga-herald-changes-its-story-three-times-suffers-meltdown-6298704 Considering the Herald has been making GBS threads on Mediaworks for the past few months, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a reversal of fortune tonight.
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Apr 23, 2015 03:57
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Next step will be to relabel it as sexist bullying of Glucina because she is a woman by the meanie sexist left.
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Apr 23, 2015 03:58
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Varkk posted:Next step will be to relabel it as sexist bullying of Glucina because she is a woman by the meanie sexist left.
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Somfin posted:So Glucina takes a bullet for Key and suddenly this isn't a discussion about abuse of power, it's really about ethics in journalism journalism. I call bullshit, why would Glucina purposely sabotage herself for Key? I could understand if we were talking about smearing others for him, but the idea she purposely did a shady news item on this somehow knowing that the waitress would post a preemptive story detailing said shadiness is just absurd.
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Some nice role-reversal satire: http://the-australasian.com/2015/04/23/secretary-repeatedly-pulls-pm-john-keys-hair/
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