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Brennan posted:"they are the focus of evil" I originally saw it as "Watch the rage flare up in her eyes as she sees the face of the enemy talk badly about her country", but you're exactly right.
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Apr 23, 2015 04:11
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Brennan posted:"they are the focus of evil" I am not sure how I feel about this season. Individual scenes and the performances were fine as always, but I think having a 4th season greenlit so early made the season lack urgency. The slow-burn nature of the show is kind of getting in the way. If you think about it, the only plotline resolved was the anti-Stinger operation.
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Apr 23, 2015 04:19
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Slow burn is all well and good but this was maybe too slow.
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grrarg posted:I am not sure how I feel about this season. Individual scenes and the performances were fine as always, but I think having a 4th season greenlit so early made the season lack urgency. The slow-burn nature of the show is kind of getting in the way. If you think about it, the only plotline resolved was the anti-Stinger operation. I agree, I was surprised to discover last week that we were already at the season finale because it felt like only a few things of much importance had happened. That said, the Paige storyline was some excellent stuff, and has set up things for season 4 that I'm very excited about.
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Apr 23, 2015 04:22
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Brennan posted:"they are the focus of evil" No, the best ~look of death~ was Zinaida's when she realized she was caught. Regy Rusty posted:That said, the Paige storyline was some excellent stuff, and has set up things for season 4 that I'm very excited about. Yeah. Like the Soviet Union is going to fund Pastor Tim's Megachurch venture, which will serve to disillusion Paige about the merits of Christianity. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 04:38
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Was Elizabeth's mom living in East Berlin? There was mention of Liz and Paige being smuggled "across the border", but was it said that she was in Berlin the whole time or are they treating it as though they were smuggled into the USSR to see her?
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CBJSprague24 posted:Was Elizabeth's mom living in East Berlin? There was mention of Liz and Paige being smuggled "across the border", but was it said that she was in Berlin the whole time or are they treating it as though they were smuggled into the USSR to see her? The Center brought her mother from her home to West Berlin rather than risk blowing Liz's cover getting them across and then back over the border. Every single person going over the border in those days in either direction were photographed heavily, and scrutinized more closely than any place else. Disguises wouldn't have worked, and they weren't about to show a 15 year old one of their ~sekret~ tunnels.
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Apr 23, 2015 04:42
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GodDammit Paige. Pastor Tim's gonna get got now. Look what you did.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The Center brought her mother from her home to West Berlin rather than risk blowing Liz's cover getting them across and then back over the border. Every single person going over the border in those days in either direction were photographed heavily, and scrutinized more closely than any place else. Disguises wouldn't have worked, and they weren't about to show a 15 year old one of their ~sekret~ tunnels. Thanks, I figured it stayed in Berlin. I didn't think they were suggesting (and I've just seen the scene all the way through, caught bits and pieces the first time through because I was tied up) they came all the way from the Russian border, though as ridiculous as that sounds, Justified always treated Lexington and Harlan as if they were 20 minutes apart.
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Apr 23, 2015 04:57
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LmaoTheKid posted:GodDammit Paige. Pastor Tim's gonna get got now. Look what you did. It's gonna be hosed up if they have to disappear their own kid
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Apr 23, 2015 05:12
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Stan's not very subtle efforts to get Nina back were great, I think everyone at the agency knows why you're so interested in that hot girl you got too close to
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CBJSprague24 posted:Thanks, I figured it stayed in Berlin. I didn't think they were suggesting (and I've just seen the scene all the way through, caught bits and pieces the first time through because I was tied up) they came all the way from the Russian border, though as ridiculous as that sounds, Justified always treated Lexington and Harlan as if they were 20 minutes apart. It's only about 15 hours from Smolensk to Berlin by car. Presumably they knew a few days in advance Elizabeth was going to Berlin.
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Apr 23, 2015 05:15
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God drat  is it next year yet?
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BIG HEADLINE posted:
Thing is that I really don't think Pastor Tim is riding the "Moral Majority" strain of 80's religious movements. There's the whole Latin American Liberation Theology in the early 80's as well; this is only 3 years post Oscar Romero and The Maryknoll Sisters.. there was a very strong Socialist strain going through many churches at the time. So Tim might not actually be the perfect ally for Paige.
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Vicodiva posted:Thing is that I really don't think Pastor Tim is riding the "Moral Majority" strain of 80's religious movements. There's the whole Latin American Liberation Theology in the early 80's as well; this is only 3 years post Oscar Romero and The Maryknoll Sisters.. there was a very strong Socialist strain going through many churches at the time. So Tim might not actually be the perfect ally for Paige. Yeah, it's been floated that Pastor Tim's a support agent that not even Phil and Liz know about, but honestly that just feels too damned 'twisty' for me, and I want to trust the writers more than that, since it's sort of a 'retread' of what they did with Kate and Jared. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 05:30
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I don't know how I feel about Paige's reveal to her pastor. I just don't see how her arc could continue in any believable fashion. Philip and Elizabeth are going to kill Pastor Tim, but then what? Are we really supposed to believe that Paige will forgive her parents for killing her moral guide and confidant, and come to terms with committing treason in any reasonable period of time? A season of Paige living in fear of her parents is not something I'm looking forward to.
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Apr 23, 2015 05:49
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I expected Phil and Liz to have bugged (or otherwise attached some gizmo to) Pagie's phone line so they could be tipped-off to clandestine phone calls. Can it be next January already? Jesus.
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Apr 23, 2015 06:00
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Do I really have to wait 9 months to see the next step in the most interesting* situation on television? Thanks a lot, Americans. * - Not the best show on television, but I'm more invested in the Paige storyline than I am in anything happening on any other show right now.
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Apr 23, 2015 06:35
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What if it wasn't really her mother, and Elizabeth just went with it? We keep getting told that it can't be done, and then Elizabeth is very evasive about it afterwards with Phillip.
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Apr 23, 2015 06:42
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There wouldn't be much point to doing that and not telling the audience.
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Apr 23, 2015 06:44
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JayMax posted:What if it wasn't really her mother, and Elizabeth just went with it? Getting them into Russia couldn't be done. Getting an old woman out of Russia temporarily *could* be done.
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Apr 23, 2015 06:44
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I'm going to dismiss the possibility out of hand because that would be pretty pointless (much like the apartheid storyline this season yeah I said it) (e: and when I say pointless, I don't mean stupid, you can make your own judgment on that, I just mean it adds nothing to the narrative outside of some flimsy all-show-for-Paige thing. But to be fair, even the person who just suggested it knew he was making it up)
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Apr 23, 2015 06:45
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I just started the episode and haven't caught up to the thread yet but why didn't they see them to the gate? This is pre 9/11 damnit. I was looking forward to that. 
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Apr 23, 2015 07:00
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Welp, I've turned the corner. Martha is going to outlive us all.
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Lol at Phil lamenting over the computer guy being a huge goon manchild
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Apr 23, 2015 07:35
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So who gives Paige her medal next season for turning in two communist spies?
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Apr 23, 2015 07:38
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It would be awesome if next season began with Pastor Tim immediately going to the FBI and Stan finds out and the whole season is the Jennings under complete surveillance without their knowledge while Paige serves as the double-agent.
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Apr 23, 2015 07:40
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That, or,  unpopular opinion despite all of Pastor Tim's posturings, he realizes sometimes Paige is still a teenager and will do teenager things and will chock it up as something she said when she was upset and does not make anything of it, except maybe telling Phil and Liz.I might have to rewatch the episode where they reveal the truth to Paige, but I don't think they ever said they were spies. I think it's fairly specific that Paige tells Pastor Tim that her parents, "...aren't American; they're Russians," but not specifically Soviet Spies.
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Sober posted:That, or, They said they work for their country, getting information no one else could get. Paige used the word "spies" in that same conversation to clarify what they were talking about.
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Apr 23, 2015 08:43
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"No Paige, you killed Pastor Tim. We told you this had to remain our secret"
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You had one job Paige, one job  Really interested to see where it goes from here. Things aren't looking great for Elizabeth and Phillip next season, with her even more radicalised and him hating his job, and himself, more and more. The pastor will presumably hold back from spilling the beans, but wll it be due to a desire to keep Paige's confidence or is there any chance he has communist sympathies. I'm positive he's not a spy that would be terrible writing. Stan getting shut down by the big boss about Nina was also pretty great.
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ShakeZula posted:They said they work for their country, getting information no one else could get. Paige used the word "spies" in that same conversation to clarify what they were talking about.
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Apr 23, 2015 09:20
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Stan was a moron for thinking that plan would ever work.
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The *complete* lack of Martha in this episode really made me wonder if the last scene was going to be a 'flashback' to Phil killing her silently after revealing his ~true face~ to her, and that'd be why he was being even more morose than usual. Interesting article: http://www.refinery29.com/2015/04/85945/annet-mahendru-the-americans-season-3-finale#slide Was that what it was really like for KGB operatives in the U.S.? "Joe Weisberg [who created the show] worked for the CIA. Our scripts are checked by the CIA and by Russia. They check on what we write about them because it's based on historical events." Do people recognize you as Nina? "Yes, and they're always weirded out because I'm laughing or something." BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but Sepinwall interviewed the creators about the finale and re: Martha They emphatically confirmed that she is indeed alive.
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Apr 23, 2015 09:48
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That was a good premiere, looking forward to the rest of the season. As for Paige, she was doing the right thing, but drat if saying things like "I'm having a really tough time. I'm hurting..." when she's comparatively had the best of it this season didn't grate a little. Go hug your dad! That or go pick up your brother from Stan's and tell the Government agent about the spies rather than the youth pastor.
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Why is there even any doubt about whether Martha is still alive? Philip killed the
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Viginti posted:That was a good premiere, looking forward to the rest of the season. That was the finale homey.
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Shadow posted:That was the finale homey.
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