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born on a buy you posted:i'm gonna have to stop posting in yospos if the class warfare lfing keeps ramping up it's okay to be rich just don't be a dick about it
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duTrieux. posted:it's okay to be rich just don't be a dick about it it's not okay to be rich sorry working for a living is fundamentally different from working for the heck of it because why not it could be fun
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Apr 23, 2015 22:23
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behind every fortune is a crime
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Apr 23, 2015 22:24
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we could feed all the poors by grinding up the riches into hot dogs
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Apr 23, 2015 22:26
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eat the rich except for anyone who is rich and also reading this, to you i say give me your money
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Apr 23, 2015 22:36
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:they're not going to call your current employer, that would be super hosed which is what I was counting on when I was saying it's (probably) OK to lie about your (current presumably ongoing) salary if they're being dicks about it E: counting on them not to call asking about salary to be clear Munkeymon fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 22:37
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Luigi Thirty posted:we could feed all the poors by grinding up the riches into hot dogs its more economical to feed the poor to the poor
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Apr 23, 2015 22:39
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:they're not going to call your current employer, that would be super hosed Uhhhhhhhhhhh
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Apr 23, 2015 22:47
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it'd be ok to be rich if you're spending most of your money and meaningfully investing it as opposed to just hoarding cash money and money in the form of scarce important resources like some sort of enormous poo poo-dragon i'd have a lot less problems with nyc rents being sky high if the high end luxury apartment market consisted of apartments that people actually lived in
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Apr 23, 2015 22:50
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Mr Dog posted:it'd be ok to be rich if you're spending most of your money and meaningfully investing it as opposed to just hoarding cash money and money in the form of scarce important resources like some sort of enormous poo poo-dragon literally knock on apartment doors in nyc and sf and if they are unoccupied for one calendar week they become temporary housing for the homeless. Renter still pays rent.
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Apr 23, 2015 22:55
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Mr Dog posted:it'd be ok to be rich if you're spending most of your money and meaningfully investing it as opposed to just hoarding cash money and money in the form of scarce important resources like some sort of enormous poo poo-dragon i used to work near a trump-branded building that had exactly the opposite zoning rules they sold TOTALLY NOT CONDOMINIUMS that required the owners to live in them less than 180 days a year, so it could ostensibly be a "hotel" that isn't actually a hotel an entire building of nothing but pied a terres, a black void of non-community
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Apr 23, 2015 23:10
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also as it turns out the only people who will spend millions of dollars to "own" a "condo" that gets rented out as a hotel while they're not there is arab princelings
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Apr 23, 2015 23:10
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Jonny 290 posted:Uhhhhhhhhhhh did somebody call your current employer while you were interviewing? that's a dick move
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Apr 23, 2015 23:14
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:did somebody call your current employer while you were interviewing? when I was with Mozilla, I was driving with my CEO to dinner when he got a call from a VC friend of his. the guy was calling to do a backchannel reference on me for a portfolio company of his that I was interviewing with. I think we both handled it quite gracefully.
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Apr 23, 2015 23:18
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:did somebody call your current employer while you were interviewing? Motorola Solutions publicly posts a toll-free number that all future employers of previous Motorolans can call. Given your name and date of birth, they will give the caller your starting and ending pay grade and salaries to the nearest dollar. The freemarket answer is "Don't work for MOtorola, then", and I am suggesting that every one of you do just that.
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Apr 23, 2015 23:19
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Jonny 290 posted:Motorola Solutions publicly posts a toll-free number that all future employers of previous Motorolans can call. Given your name and date of birth, they will give the caller your starting and ending pay grade and salaries to the nearest dollar. that's hosed up
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Apr 23, 2015 23:20
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Jonny 290 posted:"Don't work for MOtorola, then" i think that will be quite easy to achieve
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Apr 23, 2015 23:20
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mishaq posted:that's hosed up the artful dodge of our whole Denver thing is that 2 years ago Motorola adjusted our facility's salaries to Schaumburg/Chicago cost of living parity, but new company didnt know that. So, while being 100% truthful with my salary, I played up the "BIG COST OF LIVING DIFF BETWEEN ARKANSAS AND DENVER", and even factoring in said cost of living difference I got a cash raise
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Apr 23, 2015 23:22
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Apr 23, 2015 23:26
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when working with HR be honest about your salary but tell them what you expect as a salary range, using your absolute, awesome, gently caress you got mine, money as the bottom of that range. If they give you some bullshit about how 'oh well we have a policy we can only do 20%' tell them you're not interested in the role then and thank them for their time then, cause that's made up bullshit. also, if HR comes back and makes an offer too low, just push back. If they keep pushing it ask for a call with HR and the hiring manager. At large enterprises HR is usually doing poo poo on their own and the actual hiring manager has no clue they might lose you as a candidate because you wanted $5,000 more a year. we had people here talk to us later tell us that HR wouldn't give them $3,000 more a year because the title of the job in the job description had a salary range cap. We were never told and were told that the guy wanted way more money than the position offered. To change the title in the job desc woulda taken two seconds: Software Engineer Optimus_Rhyme fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 23:29
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:we had people here talk to us later tell us that HR wouldn't give them $3,000 more a year because the title of the job in the job description had a salary range cap. We were never told and were told that the guy wanted way more money than the position offered. To change the title in the job desc woulda taken two seconds: if he could be a 3, why was he offered a 2 position?
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Apr 23, 2015 23:33
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:when working with HR be honest about your salary but tell them what you expect as a salary range, using your absolute, awesome, gently caress you got mine, money as the bottom of that range. If they give you some bullshit about how 'oh well we have a policy we can only do 20%' tell them you're not interested in the role then and thank them for their time then, cause that's made up bullshit. this is true i had two job offers my last job go around, one required me to move and one didnt the one that required me to move had this exchange between me and the internal recruiter/hr: "How flexible are you on that salary? I am not sure I can meet that number just yet. I have it in for the first leg of approvals. It may fall about 11K shorter than the number you gave to me earlier. I wanted to set expectations for you up front." then when I held firm, offer letter comes for 4K less than what i asked with a signing bonus instead of relo to move then i end up not taking the job because the other offer was for more and i didnt have to move when i called to let them know i wasnt accepting, she was willing to go higher lol
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:'oh well we have a policy we can only do 20%' tell them you're not interested in the role then and thank them for their time then, cause that's made up bullshit. and keep in mind that cash compensation is hovering about, what, 50% of your total employee cost? So if they're bickering over 5k range on a 100k job, it's really a 5k range on 200k/year of spend. Nobody sane would do that.
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Jonny 290 posted:and keep in mind that cash compensation is hovering about, what, 50% of your total employee cost? So if they're bickering over 5k range on a 100k job, it's really a 5k range on 200k/year of spend. Nobody sane would do that. hiring processes are frequently not sane
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Apr 23, 2015 23:40
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man, as a research chemist the idea of not being totally and immediately replaceable to my employer is so loving foreign to me
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vectoral posted:man, as a research chemist the idea of not being totally and immediately replaceable to my employer is so loving foreign to me I still have no idea why I ever got hired or why they don't disable my door fob. I figure eventually they'll reconcile some paperwork and pull me back with a "so there was a mistake a while back..."
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Apr 23, 2015 23:45
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any time my door card doesn't work I have a bit of an "oh poo poo" moment
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Apr 23, 2015 23:47
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qirex posted:hiring processes are frequently not sane HR's job is to screen candidates and save the company money They get a salary range and are told to keep it low, so they get told "the range is 100,000 to 115,000'. So they offer 100,000, and *MIGHT* be nice and offer 105,000. They generally get a 15% range they can play in, but their job is to gently caress you on salary. Also, salary is only one thing, you should look at total compensation. HR is like a car dealer "ok, we'll give you that 115,000 you wanted but we had to lower your bonus target from 10 to 5%" or other poo poo like that. You need to know what your total compensation is from salary, stock options, bonus targets, healthcare/dental and argue knowing exactly what you make. When I got this job we were going to have to be on COBRA for a month. As a family it was going to be about $2,500 for the month. So I asked for a $3,500 signing bonus to cover that. HR hummed and hawwed and I told them to talk to the hiring manager. Then I get a call later that day saying they spoke with the hiring manager and wanted to let me know that I had 60 days to file for cobra payments and that I might not even need to pay it. To which I replied that I have a 3 year old and my wife had had cancer. She then told me the signing bonus was approved for $3,500. See, she was trying to get me to say 'oh maybe I won't need the money' before telling me whether or not the signing bonus was approved. Always know that HR is only looking out for the company and not you.
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Jonny 290 posted:Motorola Solutions publicly posts a toll-free number that all future employers of previous Motorolans can call. Given your name and date of birth, they will give the caller your starting and ending pay grade and salaries to the nearest dollar. it's totally normal to provide this data to future employers. it has no compliance risk. it is a thing that HR departments do. what's weird and hosed up is for your NEW job to call your CURRENT employer. calling $JOB - 1 is totally cool and normal
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Subjunctive posted:when I was with Mozilla, I was driving with my CEO to dinner when he got a call from a VC friend of his. the guy was calling to do a backchannel reference on me for a portfolio company of his that I was interviewing with. backchannel references are dirty pool
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btw if you're not using hte employer's insurance always ask for more money
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's totally normal to provide this data to future employers. it has no compliance risk. it is a thing that HR departments do. I wasn't commenting on the legality or whatever. I was doing the literal only thing a labor employee can do in this situation, which is inform people and advise them that they should not work there
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:backchannel references are dirty pool I don't really think so, but that's probably just because everyone I've ever worked with loved me
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Subjunctive posted:I don't really think so, but that's probably just because everyone I've ever worked with loved me are you 100% sure that everyone you have ever had a business relationship with you likes you and would 100% recommend you for something? remember they're not doing much verification on the reference they're getting
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Subjunctive posted:if he could be a 3, why was he offered a 2 position? bureaucracy, i would guess "this was posted as a 2 so if you want to hire as a 3 youll need to repost it, you're not approved for a senior, only an intermediate, etc."
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Apr 24, 2015 01:07
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:Always know that HR is only looking out for the company and not you. pretend i blingee'd this
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's totally normal to provide this data to future employers. it has no compliance risk. it is a thing that HR departments do. that's some impressive goalpost splitting
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Apr 24, 2015 01:10
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duTrieux. posted:it's okay to be rich just don't be a dick about it this is triggering me greatly. pls tell me this is ironic posting duTrieux.
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hobbesmaster posted:are you 100% sure that everyone you have ever had a business relationship with you likes you and would 100% recommend you for something? oh, without a doubt. how could they not?
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Munkeymon posted:which is what I was counting on when I was saying it's (probably) OK to lie about your (current presumably ongoing) salary if they're being dicks about it Unless there's a background check where they ask to see W-2s.
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