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Man, all this Fenric talk is reminding me of how the McCoy era was my first foray into Classic Who. Remembrance Of The Daleks? Pretty danged great, has aged wonderfully. Then I watched Dragonfire to see where this Ace lady had come from, and... wow that was weird. Then I watched The Happiness Patrol. Look, maybe in 1988 the people who were left watching Doctor Who could accept a homicidal candy robot, but when it's your third old serial ever you are like "what in the hell is this". I need to give it a re-appraisal, badly.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:52
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I dreamed part of a "doctor who" episode where 12 and Clara were on the oregon trail and the tardis on its side formed the body of the wagon. Now i'm bummed i wont see that episode 
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Apr 24, 2015 21:04
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DoctorWhat posted:Fenric isn't a dud in any case. But it's better on a rewatch, with full attention and a critical eye and behind-the-scenes knowledge. If you need behind the scenes knowledge to enjoy something, someone hosed up somewhere. MrL_JaKiri posted:There's basically one bad scene in Fenric, some people think that's enough to ruin it apparently because the only other criticism is "it's a vampire story, in the day time which is the bad scene you mention? also there is more to criticize than just the daytime setting. the pacing is sloppy, theres too many unecessary characters, plot elements out of nowhere (Ace and the russian commander, the "we fight together now, comrade" angle that pops in at the end, the doctor suddenly has to set up a chess game to defeat fenric), terrible music. I could probably do a better analysis of it, but... effort. DoctorWhat posted:Happiness Patrol owns, it's Doctor Who being furiously anti-Thatcher, which is the mode it should almost always be in, frankly. it would be a bit harsh if capaldi ran around in season 9 bitching about a dead, democratically elected politician, but funny.
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Attitude Indicator posted:which is the bad scene you mention? The "I'm not a little girl any more" bit, which is a bit poo poo. And what's wrong with the daytime setting? Your criticisms read like you missed an awful lot of the text and the subtext (the "soldiers on opposite sides have more in common with each other than they do with their commanders" thing doesn't come out of nowhere, for example; it's one of the main themes of the story).
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Apr 24, 2015 21:19
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Also, Wheelchair Guy and Army Guy had a Thing at some point (because Wheelchair Guy is Turing).
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Apr 24, 2015 21:20
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If you can't name all the major characters of The Curse of Fenric without looking them up I'm just shaking my head at you right now, 70's Porn Doctor What
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Apr 24, 2015 21:21
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sorry, much of my active mind-space usually reserved for Doctor Who trivia has been appropriated by Monster Hunter. Regular performance should resume as soon as all Rajangs in the world have been sworded to death.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The "I'm not a little girl any more" bit, which is a bit poo poo. don't remember that one. I watched one part per day the last days, so I probably forgot it. MrL_JaKiri posted:And what's wrong with the daytime setting? nothing in itself. But it's trying for a horror-light feel, and the daytime setting (combined with the relative fast pace of the episodes) doesn't bring the right mood to it. There's a reason pretty much all horror films take place in a dark setting, fear of the unseen, you know. MrL_JaKiri posted:Your criticisms read like you missed an awful lot of the text and the subtext (the "soldiers on opposite sides have more in common with each other than they do with their commanders" thing doesn't come out of nowhere, for example; it's one of the main themes of the story). I may have. But it still doesn't really work, the soldiers ARE adversaries until it's revealed that the british commanders have lost it and summoned Fenric, where upon the british soldiers realize that, poo poo, the russians aren't the real enemy here.
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Apropos of nothing, but this quote from the review thread made me think of Flatline and I had a mild chuckle to myself.Bicyclops posted:Verity Lambert, looking at the TARDIS set model: What is this, a TV show for children? *knocks it over* It has to be at least... three times bigger than that! 
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Apr 24, 2015 22:16
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Attitude Indicator posted:
Pretty sure that this is because JNT bought shares in fluorescent light factories.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:30
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Attitude Indicator posted:nothing in itself. But it's trying for a horror-light feel, and the daytime setting (combined with the relative fast pace of the episodes) doesn't bring the right mood to it. There's a reason pretty much all horror films take place in a dark setting, fear of the unseen, you know. I think this is something where you need to cut the show a bit of slack. Between location lighting and overtime, half an episode's worth of night shooting would probably have knackered their budget for the entire year. This is firmly in the tradition of "we in no way have the funds to realise our ideas 'properly', but gently caress it, let's do it anyway!" There's no point watching classic Who if you can't go "aha, now this slightly dodgy contrivance is meant to represent XYZ, they don't have the time/money to do it, but I can appreciate the effort and meet them halfway" sometimes.
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My memory is that Fenric was very good, Survival was also very good but that one mistake of doing the weird fur costumes really hurts it, Battlefield lets McCoy chew on the scenery a bit too much and the Merlin stuff is too confusing, and Ghost Light is good but you'd have to watch it three times to really understand what's going on without having Wikipedia at your side. Season 26 is often too ambitious for the resources and time that they had, which, of all the sins to commit, is a pretty good one. Does anyone here not have the Wikipedia list of Doctor Who serials open in a tab about half the time?
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Apr 24, 2015 22:54
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I only have the Wikipedia list of the Big Finish audios open. 
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adhuin posted:I only have the Wikipedia list of the Big Finish audios open. Tch. Look at this guy who hasn't even made his own spreadsheet for those.
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Apr 24, 2015 23:25
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The techno-gizmo he slides across the floor at the end is the same external HD I used to have - they didn't even remove the Seagate logo. Weirdly that same HDD was full of Doctor Who and porn.
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Apr 24, 2015 23:28
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PriorMarcus posted:The techno-gizmo he slides across the floor at the end is the same external HD I used to have. i'm sure there's PLENTY of Hard Drives in that production
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Bicyclops posted:Tch. Look at this guy who hasn't even made his own spreadsheet for those. Tch, a person who needs a speadsheet because he doesn't own them all. The lighting thing's weird though. Apparently, the mindset was, "we built this set, we got to make sure everyone sees it." I don't know if it came from a fear that if they didn't light everything, the BBC would wonder why the needed that big of a budget if everything was in the dark anyway, or if it was the lighting union raising a stink. I think James Cameron had similar problems when trying to film Aliens with a British crew, and them telling him that they knew how to light the drat thing. Davros1 fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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SirSamVimes posted:What the hell is that? Porn parody of Doctor Who.
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DoctorWhat posted:JNT apparently commited some sexual assaults whilst drunk Huh. I knew Richard 'Mike Yates' Franklin was a wrong'un who took advantage of my teenaged friend.
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Burkion posted:Porn parody of Doctor Who. One of two. I wish i could find a SFW trailer for this one, it's a straight forward Who adventure, as opposed to the better known parody. Like, it's an "original" Doctor as opposed to a parody of Matt Smith. Like, I'd cosplay as that Doctor just to see who the hell noticed. And then have a drink with those people.
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DoctorWhat posted:JNT apparently commited some sexual assaults whilst drunk A prerequisite to working at the BBC in the 1970s, if the present litigation is any indication.
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CobiWann posted:One of two. I wish i could find a SFW trailer for this one, it's a straight forward Who adventure, as opposed to the better known parody. Like, it's an "original" Doctor as opposed to a parody of Matt Smith. Like, I'd cosplay as that Doctor just to see who the hell noticed. And then have a drink with those people. I'd cosplay as the Daleks from that Dalek porn parody but no one would notice. Mostly because I'd just look like a Dalek. ....how the Hell did they get a porn before Doctor Who itself again?
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Possible episode titles for the new season! Series 9: 1. ‘The Magician’s Apprentice’ 2. ‘The Witch’s Familiar’ 3. ‘The Creeping Dark’ 4. ‘Deep Down’ 5. ‘The Girl Who Died’ 6. ‘The Woman Who Lived’ 7. ‘Calling’ 8. ‘Last Stop’ 9. ‘The Night You left’ 10. ‘The Day We Die’ 11. ‘Miss Me’ 12. 'The Shadowman’ 13. ’ Apocalypto’
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Probably should post that in the spoilers thread so there can be non-blackbar discussion I find the number of title - OPPOSITE title pairs really funny though
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There needs to be an episode where the villain is defeated by not making GBS threads. Don't poo poo. poo poo and you're dead.
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Apr 25, 2015 03:03
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Turns out the villain is dysentery
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Oregon Who
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Other great things about The Curse of Fenric: the theme of losing faith (the priest and later Ace) and the importance of logic to the plot (the enigma machine, the chess problem). It's a bit of a mess on a story level (but no less so than, I'd argue, your average RTD story) but it absolutely nails the emotional beats and thematic elements.
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CobiWann posted:One of two. I wish i could find a SFW trailer for this one, it's a straight forward Who adventure, as opposed to the better known parody. Like, it's an "original" Doctor as opposed to a parody of Matt Smith. Like, I'd cosplay as that Doctor just to see who the hell noticed. And then have a drink with those people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGhcQy1fxAg Post regeneration doctor is genuinely good. 
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DoctorWhat posted:Ghost Light What's great about ghost light is that while there is a bunch of cut material, almost all of the important information is still in the story, hidden in offhand remarks and comments by the doctor, light, ace and nimrod. It's definitely dripping with metaphor though. Everything in ghost light, right down to the setting, is about evolution vs intelligent design. I'd go into detail but I feel like I would be up for ages writing page after page about it. It's such a dense script it really should have been a four parter, or even longer.
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DoctorWhat posted:JNT apparently commited some sexual assaults whilst drunk ...but Matthew Waterhouse was ok with it!
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Chairman Mao posted:What's great about ghost light is that while there is a bunch of cut material, almost all of the important information is still in the story, hidden in offhand remarks and comments by the doctor, light, ace and nimrod. It's another one that suffers from the ridiculous lighting of that era too. There's no way that Gabriel Chase should be as bright and shiny as it is.
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Does the cut material from Fenric and Ghost Light still exist in any form?
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Sad King Billy posted:...but Matthew Waterhouse was ok with it! Bit tasteless, this.
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Fil5000 posted:It's another one that suffers from the ridiculous lighting of that era too. There's no way that Gabriel Chase should be as bright and shiny as it is. Dude, Ghost Light is usually cited as one of the 80s stories with good, restrained lighting. There's a load of scenes in the basement where it's dark enough to start throwing up buckets and buckets of grain on the videotape. They couldn't have made it much darker without making it completely unwatchable. MikeJF posted:Does the cut material from Fenric and Ghost Light still exist in any form? Fenric has an extended DVD release with the original TX version and an extended movie-length cut with most of the cut material restored. For Ghost Light the cut material only exists with a burned-in timecode on the screen, so it's provided as an extended DVD extra. (Buy the DVDs! They're great value! As [whatever Komrade Hitlerstalin calls himself these days] said once, they don't just throw in the kitchen sink, they also throw in the rusty old spare drainpipe they found lying in an old closet somewhere!) Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Apr 25, 2015 |
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