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Third World Reggin posted:source your quotes
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To be fair, I actually do think this is a lovely setup in many ways, I just found that reddit post about how even the "outsiders" were gonna be all like "how dare you???!!" to be really funny.
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Apr 26, 2015 05:47
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Chaltab posted:...Seriously? You didn't recognize that rant? nope, that I didn't
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Apr 26, 2015 05:48
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Mister Adequate posted:Nah those of us who say "This is dumb and bad" are actually just entitled gamers who want everything for free. I don't know, I kind of want to see EA or Ubisoft sue Valve for profiting off their work just for the fireworks alone. What does this make me? ... Aside from a bad person!
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Apr 26, 2015 05:51
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KakerMix posted:Yeah sorry Bethesda got their cut, if they want a revenue stream rather than a one-time fee then they should change how they sell their games. I think them providing mod tools for free with the game but taking a cut of sales if you sell mods you make with them is perfectly fair and reasonable. If people want to continue to make and distribute mods for free they can. For now. 
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Apr 26, 2015 05:52
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Republicans posted:I think them providing mod tools for free with the game but taking a cut of sales if you sell mods you make with them is perfectly fair and reasonable. If people want to continue to make and distribute mods for free they can. Cool so when do they start because like we already said and you ignored, the tools people use now aren't the ones provided by Bethesda. If you want to say 'the privilege' of being able to make mods then sure, but I'd disagree with that.
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Apr 26, 2015 05:54
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I love all the libertarians on Reddit defending this because of how the market will obviously sort itself out even though Steam is the exact opposite of a free market...
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Apr 26, 2015 05:56
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Republicans posted:I think them providing mod tools for free with the game but taking a cut of sales if you sell mods you make with them is perfectly fair and reasonable. If people want to continue to make and distribute mods for free they can. I wouldn't call purchasing the CS along with the game free.
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Apr 26, 2015 05:58
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KakerMix posted:Cool so when do they start because like we already said and you ignored, the tools people use now aren't the ones provided by Bethesda. If you want to say 'the privilege' of being able to make mods then sure, but I'd disagree with that. It doesn't matter what tools you use, if you tried to sell a Skyrim mod before you can bet you'd have Bethesda on your rear end for it. All that's changed is Bethesda saying "Under these conditions you can sell your mods." Don't like those conditions? Don't sell your mods then. Fish Fry Andy posted:I wouldn't call purchasing the CS along with the game free. You might not call the games you get with a PS+ subscription "free" either but a lot of people do because people know what you mean when you call them free games. Republicans fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Apr 26, 2015 |
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Apr 26, 2015 06:07
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:People who can't see why this is hilariously bad are pretty dumb.
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Apr 26, 2015 06:11
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KakerMix posted:Yeah sorry Bethesda got their cut, if they want a revenue stream rather than a one-time fee then they should change how they sell their games. Oh well I guess Zenimax tried that with ESO and this must be their backup plan When TESO came out, a lot of people were complaining that it was an Elder Scrolls game, only with little to no modding. Well, I guess it's going to be on even footing now. 
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Apr 26, 2015 06:13
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Selling mods in the first place is loving stupid.
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Apr 26, 2015 06:38
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What if I pay $0.01 for a mod? Do Valve and Bethesda cut a penny in half? That's ILLEGAL.
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Apr 26, 2015 06:42
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So, all of this got me back into modding Skyrim. I've checked with TES5Edit (it says its okay), and the game doesn't CTD - I just don't get any text on the main menu. I've sorted it with LOOT as well. Yes it is a lot of mods. I know how they all work. What did I do? Other things I have:
load order.
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Apr 26, 2015 07:07
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Gotta micro monetize everything huh, greedy fuckin shits. Where the hell did CS and dota and team fortress come from? Give people a toolkit and no paywall, pick up and hire the people who make a mod that gains popularity and make an actual game out of it. Wouldn't that make them more money?
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Apr 26, 2015 07:08
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tekz posted:Gotta micro monetize everything huh, greedy fuckin shits. Where the hell did CS and dota and team fortress come from? why wait when you can make money now
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Apr 26, 2015 07:11
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gently caress you; got mine.
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Apr 26, 2015 07:17
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tekz posted:Gotta micro monetize everything huh, greedy fuckin shits. Where the hell did CS and dota and team fortress come from? Only if it actually works. Hiring people and buying IP is risky, which means it lowers expected returns (which lowers expeced cash flows which lowers expected stock growth/company value). Giving others a thing and making money if they modify it is basically risk free (and if you follow the path it's basically a free way to generate value). It's a super short sighted way to look at things, I guess someone at valve just finished their MBA.
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Apr 26, 2015 07:19
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The previous version of Wet & Cold had a bug in it where sometimes when it rained everyone would go home and then never leave their homes again, turning the entire city into a ghost town. It's good to see that for only $5 I could have a version where that might not happen anymore. But he took snowshoes out so gently caress that, snowshoes were awesome.
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Apr 26, 2015 07:20
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I'm pretty disgusted with this whole thing. But it does have me wondering. Is there any game like the TES games that I've overlooked? With modding support? That's a sandbox? Though if this actually works (which I don't believe it will) I'm pretty sure this hypothetical clone would follow suit, but is there anything like it around anyway? I hear Dragon Age compared occasionally, but DA sucks. DNW. This is the only way I can see the 'free market' fixing this. An actual rival game, that isn't a bugfest on several platforms including DRM free ones.
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Apr 26, 2015 07:20
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Witcher 3.
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Apr 26, 2015 07:21
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cheesetriangles posted:Witcher 3. No character creation. Stuck playing as an ugly old man.
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Apr 26, 2015 07:23
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You can play as Ciri too!
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Apr 26, 2015 07:24
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Moryrie posted:No character creation. Stuck playing as an ugly old man.
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Apr 26, 2015 07:25
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play Baldur's Gate until death's sweet release
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Apr 26, 2015 07:25
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cheesetriangles posted:You can play as Ciri too! For the entire game, opting out of ever playing Geralt at all?
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:play Baldur's Gate until death's sweet release I have thousands of hours played and it will keep growing forever. Why wouldn't you want to play as Geralt? Witcher 3 comes with sex mods built in!
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Apr 26, 2015 07:26
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:play Baldur's Gate until death's sweet release I actually gave up on the tutorial. lol. cheesetriangles posted:I have thousands of hours played and it will keep growing forever. I'm actually that weirdo that never tried sex mods, plays without nude mods, and learned to mesh so I could get rid of the boobies and make my waifu as flat chested as I am IRL. I also was totally fine with Skyrim's default body mesh except for the feet which were a shame and an abomination. (probably TMI).
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Apr 26, 2015 07:29
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Baldur's Gate has tons of free mods where you can play a flat chested waifu(everything is 2D).
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Dagerfall even has inbuilt nudity and skimpy clothing by default!
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Apr 26, 2015 07:43
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Baldur's Gate is harder to get into than Morrowind. And Morrowind doesn't have a the crappy backwards magic system. And isn't the second one supposedly the better one or something? And isn't Baldur's Gate closer to being Dragon-Age-Ish, and rather linear to boot? Also it's just not very much like TES. Except maybe the ancient TES no one plays.
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It's nothing like the tes games but that magic system is not backwards.
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Moryrie posted:Baldur's Gate is harder to get into than Morrowind. And Morrowind doesn't have a the crappy backwards magic system. BG isn't a sandbox but it's not linear at all. BG2 is more linear but the story is so loving badass you forgive it I also never got into Morrowind 
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Morrowind is pretty easy to get into I think if you do a little research. Reading UESP for early game hints can get you over that initial hump. Then you decide you want to become a god before level 2 by buying 200 gold worth of alchemy supplies.
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Apr 26, 2015 07:52
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Man if I wanted to do research I'd be beating Dark Souls for nerd street cred
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The best thing about Morrowind is the cheat codes are built into the game in the form of alchemy and enchanting so you don't need to pay for some off the steam workshop.
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Jesus. Skyrim's close to dropping below 90%. 
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cheesetriangles posted:It's nothing like the tes games but that magic system is not backwards. Learn spell. Forget spell. Must relearn. Must sleep to learn spell. Or something along those lines is what I got out of the tutorial I never finished? It's been a while since I tried to play it. I'm also seriously not a fan of micromanaging a bunch of team members. Which is one reason I prettymuch hated playing DAO. ANIME IS BLOOD posted:BG isn't a sandbox but it's not linear at all. BG2 is more linear but the story is so loving badass you forgive it Yeah. And old maybe better games are still not exactly games directly competing for Bethesda's money now. DAI, Witcher 3, and Pillars of Eternity are the only new standouts in the fantasy RPG market, and they're all just very different from TES. And I guess we can just totally forget about Arthmoor's little gaming company if he thinks this was a good deal. Not that I ever planned on supporting his bear filled nonsense anyway.
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