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loquacius posted:So does Gary McCoy and people aren't falling all over themselves to give him awards for things Yes, but Ramirez's audience are exclusively rich.
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Rorus Raz posted:Random lazy Sunday question, but who are everybody's top five best cartoonists and top five "best of the worst"? Don't order them: just a general top five. best: Bennett, Sack, Bors, Two Bulls, Pope bestworst: Mac, JRRose, Latuff, Lisa, Allie
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loquacius posted:Also agreed with Jedit that Ramirez doesn't get a spot, I legit do not understand why the right loves him so much His art is very elaborate and detailed, he frequently draws "deep" cartoons, and he's not afraid to lay down burns on anyone. He's also really bad at all those things, but he can fake it well enough that you actually need to pause and think about his bungled metaphor, or notice how he isn't just making stylistic choices; he really can't draw anything that doesn't come with a blueprint. The one thing he's good at is keeping up with the GOP talking point of the day. He's done several cartoons of Obama with a Mission Accomplished! banner, he's been saying Iran is 3-5 months away from a nuke for years and he's done back-to-back cartoons criticizing Obama for not doing something and then criticizing him for doing it. He drew weekly DEBT cartoons when that was the big stink. No one else represents the conservative media as well as he does. He doesn't get caught up in personal stuff, either. Tinsley will happily slander his personal enemies and spend weeks on a non-item that bothers him, Mike Lester has been really angry about gays for a while now, and Glenn and Gary McCoy have a personal vendetta against black people and women, respectively. Whenever Ramirez does a non-item cartoon, it's always something milquetoast like "Obama makes a left turn off a cliff in a car labeled America" or "Someone says taxes good, a baby says taxes bad." He really is the best right-wing cartoonist if you consider Fox News to be an accurate representation of the US public, and don't consider talent or integrity to be important.
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achillesforever6 posted:
The drone is at a disadvantage in this competition because "innocent" has been redefined as "white, Christian, English-speaking westerners". So, it's the TTIP?
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achillesforever6 posted:
How have none of the usual suspects made a cartoon about that evil Obama intentionally killing two innocent hostages yet?
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Well done you have successfully identified the exercise Actually, it was a miserable failure. If WF had actually read the original request, it was for the best of the worst, in that, sure, we don't agree with them, but they are mechanically good at art and can portray a good metaphor; and believe it or not, we have actually conceded (rarely as we may do) that there are cartoonists with Incorrect Opinions who can actually do that. But as is mostly usual, WitchFetish is probably not arguing in good faith.
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Titus Sardonicus posted:Actually, it was a miserable failure. If WF had actually read the original request, it was for the best of the worst, in that, sure, we don't agree with them, but they are mechanically good at art and can portray a good metaphor; and believe it or not, we have actually conceded (rarely as we may do) that there are cartoonists with Incorrect Opinions who can actually do that. But as is mostly usual, WitchFetish is probably not arguing in good faith. Allie is a blind cheerleader, but his art is great. Ramirez is technically competent, but his stylistic choices are generally seen as annoying. Asay had generally nice drawing, unfortunately paired with frothingly bigoted sentiments. There are also quite a few cartoonists who can't draw for poo poo and are Republicans.
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After The War posted:Credit where it's due, these two are by Bill Mauldin, which is good because we rarely get to see his 60s work.
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Ok, I fell for it. Best of the best: Two Bulls, Kreider, Kelly, Bennett, and surprise success story Don Asmussen Bad Reporter Best of the worst: McKee, Allie, Luojie, JJ McCullough, and this category's eternal lich-king Chuck Asay
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duz posted:Because no cartoon duck is allowed to wear pants for a reason. Via legal issues, Howard has to wear pants or else 
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Aww why are all the fun things on this thread usually over and done with by the time I'm at work/asleep? Usually all I get is the drama Best: Bennett, Lukovich, Two Bulls, Kelly, Sorensen Worst: Allie, Ramirez, Bok, Benson, Tinsley
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Dr. Hurt posted:Via legal issues, Howard has to wear pants or else Apollo?
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Apr 26, 2015 17:57
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Yeah, that is definitely Apollo as a duck.
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Apr 26, 2015 18:00
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Best: Bors, Bennett, Ruben Bolling (Tom the Dancing Bug), Sorensen, Marty Two-Bulls "Worst": Asay, Glenn McCoy, Allie, Latuff, Varvel
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Apr 26, 2015 18:07
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Dr. Hurt posted:Via legal issues, Howard has to wear pants or else Ducks are sexual predators, so it's probably related to his probation.
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Apr 26, 2015 18:22
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All this exercise is doing is demonstrating how much a bunch of bustas y'all are
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Apr 26, 2015 18:32
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Speaking of ducks, Mallard Fillmore reminds me -at least in design- of Canardo, the Belgian anthropomorphic, depressive, alcoholic duck noir detective.
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Apr 26, 2015 18:41
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Best: Marty Two Bulls, Darrin Bell, Ruben Bolling, Ben Sargent, and Tim Krieder. A good editorial cartoon in the classic muckrakers' tradition should be pointed (almost to the point of poisonousness as the situation warrants) and should afflict the comfortable (even people on "your side"). Two Bulls and Bell, in particular, have the outsider perspective and fearlessness to really be effective at that, as well as great art and command of metaphor. Honorable mentions to Bors, Sorensen, Priggee, Bagley, Nick Anderson, Luckovich, and ENOS. "Worst:" Stantis (a bit out of place, as he is the only non-shithead on this list, but he is on the other hand responsible for Prickly City), Allie, Van Arend, Latuff, and Tinsley (who at least showed that he has potential, once).
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Dr. Hurt posted:Via legal issues, Howard has to wear pants or else Spidey looks like he's assumed the role of crying Lady Liberty behind the window. INNOCENT ANATIDAE
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Apr 26, 2015 18:43
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The best who do my opinions: Bolling, Kreider, Latuff, Nowicki, Priggee The best with whom I strongly disagree: Allie, Asay, Delonas, McCoy The Greater, McCullough
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WitchFetish posted:Speaking of ducks, Mallard Fillmore reminds me -at least in design- of Canardo, the Belgian anthropomorphic, depressive, alcoholic duck noir detective. He reminds me of everything except the noir detective bit.
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Jedit posted:He reminds me of everything except the noir detective bit. Overly pushy drunkard of a noir reporter.
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Mallard Fillmore: Year One (August 22-27, 1994)      There was, indeed, a "Where's Waldo?" newspaper strip when these ran. It was from Mallard's syndicate, too.
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Apr 26, 2015 19:03
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Best: Krieder, Horsey, JJ, Bagley, ENOS "Worst": Bors, Sorensen, Allie, Two Bulls, Latuff
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Overly pushy drunkard of a noir reporter. He's only noiresque because he drinks hard. Beyond that Mallard Fillmore has so little context these days that he's only even a reporter in name only.
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Jedit posted:He's only noiresque because he drinks hard. Beyond that Mallard Fillmore has so little context these days that he's only even a reporter in name only. Well you're forgetting that he's the politoon equivalent of a sleazy reporter type.
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Sex and Bad Language! What a terrible world we live in! I wonder if you could get him to go off on a rant about bad language and cigarettes even today.
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Apr 26, 2015 19:18
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Best: Rorus Raz edits. Worst: Other goons.
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Apr 26, 2015 19:28
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That's the tragic thing. Rorus invited this. Best: I, Used, To, Respect, You. Best of the Worst: You, Have, Broken, My, Heart.
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I love that these were intended to be about gun control but they actually make more sense if interpreted as being about abortion.
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Best: Bors, Bennett, Bolling, Bagley, Sorenson (Why can't Sorenson start with a B?) Best of the Worst: Allie, Asay, JJ, Benson, Whichever McCoy is slightly less poo poo
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I'm pretty sure Rorus only dreamt up this exercise to out the self-important contrarians among us. They are, as suspected, WitchFetish and Small Frozen Thing, so I guess this actually was kind of a waste of time. Best: Luckovich, Bennett, Bagley, Bolling, Rogers Evil Best: Beeler, McCoy, Delonas, Varvel, Smith Jr. You know, as far as Evil Best go, I'm kind of digging 1994 Mallard Fillmore. It used to be not only better drawn and have a story, but it was much more offensive. I wonder when exactly he started mailing it in.
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WitchFetish posted:Speaking of ducks, Mallard Fillmore reminds me -at least in design- of Canardo, the Belgian anthropomorphic, depressive, alcoholic duck noir detective. That actually sounds like it's worth a chuckle. Any good?
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Best: Tinsley Worst: Bennett
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Jagchosis posted:Best: Tinsley Triggered
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Titus Sardonicus posted:That actually sounds like it's worth a chuckle. Any good? A classic.
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Jagchosis posted:Best: Liccar 
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Nobody ever cursed and teenagers never hosed before the election of Bill Clinton. It's a fact.
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