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Pyroxene Stigma posted:He's thinking about bees again. Well, beads are a staple of certain parts of the PNW economy.
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RuanGacho posted:Well it IS nPR.
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:Nuclear power is the way to go, actually True, but its political suicide. Geothermal doesn't pollute on any significant level, it doesn't scare half the nation, and it doesn't gently caress up the rivers. Gotta get the power somewhere.
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:Nuclear power is the way to go, actually Tell that to Hanford.
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effectual posted:Tell that to Hanford. Haha yeah...  's at federal government "What the gently caress dudes, you want to build Yuka Mountain but you can't even finish your god drat peas"
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effectual posted:Tell that to Hanford. Hanford was a sloppy military run operation to make nuclear fuel, and resembles a modern-day reactor about as much as a Model-T does a Tesla.
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Apr 27, 2015 06:20
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Mrit posted:Hanford was a sloppy military run operation to make nuclear fuel, and resembles a modern-day reactor about as much as a Model-T does a Tesla. I admit that, but all I'm saying is that I take the approach of "if it can break, it will". Especially with corporations that love to cut corners.
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effectual posted:I admit that, but all I'm saying is that I take the approach of "if it can break, it will". Especially with corporations that love to cut corners. Which is why modern pebble bed and similar reactors fail in a manner that can't cause a Chernobyl, Fukushima, etc.
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look i just don't think nuclear power plants are very buzz worthy
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Besides, if nuclear replaced coal outright, we could have a worst-case meltdown every year and still come out ahead. Coal plants and coal mining is stupendously harmful to the environment and kills thousands of Americans every year. Coal made me pro-nuclear.
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effectual posted:Tell that to Hanford.
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Ernie Muppari posted:look i just don't think nuclear power plants are very buzz worthy I don't think we'd make a huge mistake in building more.
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anthonypants posted:Thank you for reminding the thread that we definitely haven't learned anything about nuclear reactors in 70 years, and therefore all nuclear reactors are bad. Congratulations. Accretionist posted:Besides, if nuclear replaced coal outright, we could have a worst-case meltdown every year and still come out ahead. Coal plants and coal mining is stupendously harmful to the environment and kills thousands of Americans every year. Coal made me pro-nuclear. I'm 120% about preserving our environment, so this stuff.
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Speaking of pollution and coal, why aren't there more protests blocking the dozens of coal and oil trains that pass through Seattle every day? Those seem way more dangerous than letting an oil platform moor up nearby.
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oxbrain posted:Speaking of pollution and coal, why aren't there more protests blocking the dozens of coal and oil trains that pass through Seattle every day? Those seem way more dangerous than letting an oil platform moor up nearby. I was under the impression that there ARE frequent protests of those trains.
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Accretionist posted:Besides, if nuclear replaced coal outright, we could have a worst-case meltdown every year and still come out ahead. Coal plants and coal mining is stupendously harmful to the environment and kills thousands of Americans every year. Coal made me pro-nuclear. The problem is processing fluency. Our species, almost instinctually understands burning, fire, smoke and smog and so it's much less scary than ionizing radiation which as a species we really have no history with.
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bartkusa posted:I was under the impression that there ARE frequent protests of those trains.
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anthonypants posted:I know there are people petitioning/protesting the gently caress out of the Oregon government not to allow coal shipping docks along our coast. Yeah Oregon is making a genuine effort to stop those trains, so basically it is already being done just at the state level. Coal trains also aren't popular with Oregon environmentalists either.
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Hasters posted:The problem is processing fluency. Our species, almost instinctually understands burning, fire, smoke and smog and so it's much less scary than ionizing radiation which as a species we really have no history with. That's definitely part of it. Radiation was the magic used to handwave things in sci-fi for years (We use nanomachines and genetic engineering for that now). It also being tied to the ever present threat of nuclear war also didn't help. We're just beginning to shake off a lot of the cold war cobwebs.
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foobardog posted:That's definitely part of it. Radiation was the magic used to handwave things in sci-fi for years (We use nanomachines and genetic engineering for that now). It also being tied to the ever present threat of nuclear war also didn't help. Yet places like Germany are just doubling-down on the pseudoscience when it comes to their energy policies 
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Baronjutter posted:Yet places like Germany are just doubling-down on the pseudoscience when it comes to their energy policies Well, we aren't exactly above doubling down on pseudoscience either. *Posts anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, and anti-flouride types*
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effectual posted:Tell that to Hanford. The PR problem with building a new plant in that neighborhood isn't waste or whatever, it's the fact that people haven't forgotten the financial mess that was WPPSS.
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The WPPSS fiasco was 30 years ago. The only people who remember it are people who stumbled onto it on google or read about it on some pro/anti-nuke or anti-government website. I only heard about it because I was trying to figure out how big of a financial disaster it will be to write off bertha.
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oxbrain posted:The WPPSS fiasco was 30 years ago. The only people who remember it are people who stumbled onto it on google or read about it on some pro/anti-nuke or anti-government website. Homework: attempt to propose a new nuclear power plant in the northwest. See how long it takes for WPPSS to come up. Boomers & older who are from the northwest will bring it up.
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I know theres some deranged flouride hobbyists in this thread. Thought you would want to start writing letters immediately. http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2015/04/27/402579949/feds-say-its-time-to-cut-back-on-fluoride-in-drinking-water quote:Federal health officials Monday changed the recommended amount of fluoride in drinking water for the first time since 1962, cutting by almost half the maximum amount of fluoride that should be added to drinking supplies. * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Grandjean_%28professor%29
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Someone somewhere in the US needs to push for more, bigger, faster work on LFTRs. Unfortunately that would mean prying control of nuclear development away from the DoE, DoD, and their private contractor buddies.
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FRINGE posted:I know theres some deranged flouride hobbyists in this thread. Dude, really? There's absolutely nothing wrong with policies changing with different evidence. This doesn't excuse your shitshow a while back where you gish galloped a bunch of scientific research only to get it thrown back in your face.
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FRINGE posted:I know theres some deranged flouride hobbyists in this thread. Lol FRINGE, you should make an anti-flouride thread, to educate the foolish flouride drinking masses.
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Solkanar512 posted:Dude, really? There's absolutely nothing wrong with policies changing with different evidence. This doesn't excuse your shitshow a while back where you gish galloped a bunch of scientific research only to get it thrown back in your face. I always grin a little at the phrase "Gish Gallop." edit to fix phone-posting autocorrect CaptainSarcastic fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Apr 28, 2015 |
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I brush my teeth with fluoride-containing substances daily. I think its funny how a couple of you come unglued when people discuss the fact that drinking it has never been a great move.
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I think you care entirely too much about fluoride.
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FRINGE posted:I brush my teeth with fluoride-containing substances daily. I think its funny how a couple of you come unglued when people discuss the fact that drinking it has never been a great move. I see, I see. And what do you think of 9/11? Jews, or Bush?
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FRINGE posted:I brush my teeth with fluoride-containing substances daily. I think its funny how a couple of you come unglued when people discuss the fact that drinking it has never been a great move. Look, I don't want to stay up late debunking your bullshit like last time, so why don't you reread that article you posted again. Think about why they're suggesting that the average maximum dosage be reduced rather than eliminated from the water supply, and what that says about your woefully unsupported hypothesis.
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oxbrain posted:I hope not. We don't need any more burnt out, former idealist, space nerds around here. I thought 787 was just assembled in Washington and all the parts came from everywhere else. I don't think taking over the assembly plant would really accomplish a whole lot. Lord Waffle Beard posted:Nuclear power is the way to go, actually one word: TROJAN like yeah i'm generally in agreement with "more nukes" but it will forever be absolute poison in oregon, unfortunately effectual posted:I admit that, but all I'm saying is that I take the approach of "if it can break, it will". Especially with corporations that love to cut corners. same can be said for literally any industrial activity.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:one word: TROJAN Yeah, I have to admit that it came to my mind when nukes were discussed, too. I'm fairly pro-nuclear (I really like the idea of multiple small reactors to power a set of smaller grids rather than maintaining a huge, monolithic, and ever more antiquated megagrid), but fear that memories of Trojan still poison the the well here, so to speak. I vaguely remember when they shut it down - not sure I ever passed it by in person.
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Mrit posted:I see, I see.
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Ernie Muppari posted:but still, where did the jet fuel come from? *They compost flouride. Because of Bush.
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FRINGE posted:The lizard peoples compost* exploded. The whole thing was an environmental crisis coverup. ... i've made a huge mistake
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Solkanar512 posted:Look, I don't want to stay up late debunking your bullshit like last time, so why don't you reread that article you posted again. Think about why they're suggesting that the average maximum dosage be reduced rather than eliminated from the water supply, and what that says about your woefully unsupported hypothesis. drat, some mighty fine posting going on in here. Seriously, good info.
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