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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Pissing it away IMO. It subtracts from your total time available at the same rate, but you get paid less (Post 9/11).

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Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

CaptainStag posted:

This has probably been touched on in this huge thread and I think I already know the answer, but is going to school part-time practical at all under the Montgomery or Post 9/11? Or would I just be pissing money away?

I'd like to just attend full-time but I have my reasons for wanting to work full-time once I get out this fall, and I doubt I could juggle both.

The Post 9/11 is meant to pay for you so you can go to school. That being said I worked full time and did full time school, and was able to balance it.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
I worked part time and attended at a full time rate. It was easily doable.

CaptainStag
Sep 29, 2004

Good acting is a practiced craft, one that suggests subtlety and nuance.

Godholio posted:

Pissing it away IMO. It subtracts from your total time available at the same rate, but you get paid less (Post 9/11).

Thanks. I was under the impression it was pro-rated somehow? I've got a VA briefing tomorrow so I"ll probably just ask a billion questions there and get it cleared up.

Main motivation is securing a federal job which normally requires a bachelor, but exception is made if I apply while still AD.

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene

CaptainStag posted:

Thanks. I was under the impression it was pro-rated somehow? I've got a VA briefing tomorrow so I"ll probably just ask a billion questions there and get it cleared up.

Main motivation is securing a federal job which normally requires a bachelor, but exception is made if I apply while still AD.

You could take a mix of online and weekend classes and if you do it correctly still receive full benefits.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
The only thing that's prorated is the money they send you. 36 months is 36 months.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
If I attend school on Voc Rehab with some Post 9/11 time left, I understand that I'll get the Post 9/11 BAH. When that runs out, I'll go back to receiving the Voc Rehab stipend? I've read some things where guys have said the VA kept paying them Post 9/11 BAH until they finished their degree.

Nwabudike Morgan
Dec 31, 2007
does my time in A-school and C-school count towards my GI bill?

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Nwabudike Morgan posted:

does my time in A-school and C-school count towards my GI bill?

I believe so- It should start the moment you swear in at MEPS, iirc

Stanley Goodspeed
Dec 26, 2005
What, the feet thing?



Should I be applying for and using vocational rehab in conjunction with my Post 9/11 GI Bill or should I be saving it for when the latter runs out? Not totally clear on how to best use it.

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene

Nwabudike Morgan posted:

does my time in A-school and C-school count towards my GI bill?

Every day in service counts towards the GI bill starting at 6 months AFAIK and ending after 36 months provided you get an honorable discharge.

There are extenuating circumstances if you get med boarded/ medical discharge

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

Quality posting direct from my brain to your face holes.
I'm off the waitlist at Oregon State Univ for writing MFA. They admit 4 students/year. I have about 2 weeks to decide. Wyoming is still up in the air and I am visiting Columbia this week.

Has anyone been to Corvallis? It's about an hour south of Portland apparently.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

Zeris posted:

I'm off the waitlist at Oregon State Univ for writing MFA. They admit 4 students/year. I have about 2 weeks to decide. Wyoming is still up in the air and I am visiting Columbia this week.

Has anyone been to Corvallis? It's about an hour south of Portland apparently.

What does OSU have that Columbia doesn't? Serious question.

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

Quality posting direct from my brain to your face holes.

holocaust bloopers posted:

What does OSU have that Columbia doesn't? Serious question.

OSU:
-I can teach from day 1
-Free / funded
-Totally opposite setting
-More access to professors
-Some people like small programs. Subjective

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

If you want to teach after you get your MFA, the only thing I would worry about is which program has better job placement rates (aside from funding, of course). The market is swamped with MFAs.

Time Crisis Actor
Apr 28, 2002

by Hand Knit

Zeris posted:

OSU:
-I can teach from day 1
-Free / funded
-Totally opposite setting
-More access to professors
-Some people like small programs. Subjective

These details, especially the bolded part, really make OSU sound like a better deal.

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

Quality posting direct from my brain to your face holes.

Deathy McDeath posted:

These details, especially the bolded part, really make OSU sound like a better deal.

I wouldn't use my GI bill there but I would at CU, so the end balance sort of evens out, sort of. I don't have post graduate plans so there is no opportunity cost to spending 2 years of GI bill.

I'm coming up this morning to visit for admitted students night and checking out Oregon next week so I'll get the chance to decide based on personal experiences.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

Zeris posted:

I wouldn't use my GI bill there but I would at CU, so the end balance sort of evens out, sort of. I don't have post graduate plans so there is no opportunity cost to spending 2 years of GI bill.

I'm coming up this morning to visit for admitted students night and checking out Oregon next week so I'll get the chance to decide based on personal experiences.

Good luck, dude!

The Slithery D
Jul 19, 2012
Background: I recently separated and can use both the Montgomery GI Bill and Post 9/11. I'm married, my wife has a well paid job, and I'm looking for a job.

Goal: Short term I want to do some certifications (Six Sigma and/or PMP), and after a year I might get an MBA if my employment situation doesn't go where I want it to go.

Dilemma/Question: I've applied for the VCTP free certifications, but I won't be able to start one of those, if selected, until late July. Or I can start May 1st with a paid course through (say) Villanova, but the drat thing costs about $8k. Is there a smart way to do paid certifications (through which GI Bill?) and still preserve enough 9/11 GI Bill if I do want to get an MBA in year?

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres
I'm waiting for a job overseas to start, and that's probably at least 6 weeks away, so I'm cooling my heels in Savannah.

I already got my M.A. through the GI bill, but have maybe $5-10k left over. Is there any reasonable way I can burn up a couple grand of the bill while twiddling my dick here, like take some online certification courses or something? I was briefly thinking about welding, but I think getting any kind of cert while starting from scratch takes more than a few weeks, and going to CDL school is I think full-time for three weeks, and not sure I want to be that tied up and don't have a ton of interest in seriously being a trucker (would mostly just want it for resume purposes).

Are there any default "if you're dicking around unemployed, use your GI bill on X to get something useful done, and possibly get some living money".

For context, I do defense and development contracting, analysis, etc. Is there any easy way to get certified like in Excel or something, or any PMP/ISO/whatever (apparently PMP requires 5 years job experience in "project management") classes I can take to prepare for the certification exam that will be covered by the GI Bill?

In general, I'm open to any ideas of quick-turnaround ways to just get something useful done while I have spare time, and ideally things where I can get a bit of my living stipend as pocket money, and even more ideally things where the school might not charge me up front as long as I can get my eligibility letter in the next few weeks to prove that payment would come to them.

TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Apr 15, 2015

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
I would look at stuff like welding or computer certs, and figure out if any of it can be completed that quickly. Keep in mind that online-only stuff won't pay you full BAH. It's just over $800 a month for that.

tyler
Jun 2, 2014

Use your GI bill money for drugs and booze, duh.

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

Quality posting direct from my brain to your face holes.
It's official, Columbia for creative writing MFA this Fall, see you then, Deathy McD. Who are the other NYC/area folks? EBB?

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

Zeris posted:

It's official, Columbia for creative writing MFA this Fall, see you then, Deathy McD. Who are the other NYC/area folks? EBB?

Congrats!

tyler
Jun 2, 2014

Congrats, fag.

E: For good measure


Vasudus posted:

You don't seem to get the fact that when you're "happy" it's actually sitting on the edge of a financial cliff. Being poor loving sucks - enjoy having anxiety about paying bills, or hoping that whatever hurts today won't hurt tomorrow. Enjoy never being able to go on a vacation to somewhere that's actually nice. Enjoy having a car that burns oil faster than gas because you can't shell out the cash to get a new one. But it's totally cool man, you're doing something you love.

What you still don't seem to get is that you don't have to make lots of money to be happy. But you need to make some, and that some is more than you'll probably ever make writing. Because writing is a trap that dumb idiot fuckers like you fall into. You're not talented enough to make even a decent living wage off it, and I can say that with some pretty high confidence because the numbers are against you. You'll never make the next great american novel, and you're probably not likely to even make a living selling Kindle smut for 99 cents. Your best hope is to be a half rate, blog/Tumblr D-lister pulling 56 dollars a month off adsense revenue churning out titles like the classic "Taken by the T-Rex" or making niche incest porn stories.

You're spending time, effort and money taking classes in a dead major (Rhetoric) and a major that exists to teach children (English). When your GI Bill runs out you are hosed. That fucker is your main source of income and it will end. You know how much money you get taking 100% loans for grad school? You get around 6k a semester. Six thousand dollars to live for four and a half months. Then you'll have your MFA or whatever the gently caress stupid degree you think is the golden ticket and then you'll be told you're overqualified for entry jobs.

So I guess congratulations on squandering the one loving chance that you as a veteran have to actually climb the social class ladder by having the government pay someone to tell you to read some books. YOU CAN DO THAT ON YOUR OWN loving TIME YOU INCREDIBLY STUPID gently caress. If you love that bullshit so much DO IT AS A MINOR FOR YOUR ELECTIVES.

Oh gently caress it, you're a dumb loving oval office. Keep doing what you're doing.

tyler fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Apr 23, 2015

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN
lol I live on less than 6k easily over four and a half months.

Maybe don't buy every shiny object that grabs your tiny little hobbit eyes you loving retard.

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

Quality posting direct from my brain to your face holes.

Nostalgia4Murder posted:

Congrats, fag.

E: For good measure

Check the last page for a other good Vasudus quote:

Vasudus posted:

If you get accepted to an Ivy there's no decision to be made. You're absolutely braindead retarded if you decide to go anywhere else.

I would legit go 100% out of pocket and sell my soul to Sally Mae to have the opportunity to do an Ivy. The advantages of having just the school name alone is well worth the cost of admission.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
I might be in NYC a bit during December for a study abroad trip. Should have my evenings free to meet up at a bar.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
If you're gonna get an MFA you might as well get it from an Ivy. The name of the school alone is worth more than quite a lot of others even with a more useful degree.

mad_Thick
Aug 4, 2014
Hey all, USMC Vet in need of some advice with school:

I am transferring from a community college, and have two years of school until I graduate. I am debating between two schools, and ultimately two life choices: SFSU (Math or Business Major) and 90,000$ in the bank OR UC Davis (Economics Major

The Break Down:

Attending SFSU will allow me to continue living at my parents house. This means I will be banking 3,800$ a month, plus 1,000$ per semester for books and supplies. With my 24 months left on my Post 911 GI Benefits, this comes out to around 90,000$ banked, factor in living expenses, lets say 84,000$. That is the plus side of SFSU. The downside of SFSU is quality of education, quality of student body, and opportunties for internships is much lower compared to UC Davis. As well as, according to research, UC graduates consistantly make more income compare to Cal State graduates.

Attending UC Davis means a much higher quality of education, student body, and opportunities for internships. The economics program is considered exceptional. Though, the trade off is I will have to find somewhere to rent. The BAH for UC Davis is 1,700$ a month. Consider an average rent around 1000$, this leaves me with 700$ a month. Factor in living expenses, it may be more like 500-600$ a month.

In short, it is either a degree from subpar SFSU and 84,000$ in the bank, or an economics degree from UC Davis, but very little cash in the bank. There is a chance my father will cover my tuition and housing at UC Davis so I can save my GI Bill for graduate school. But that is not certain, so I comparing my two choices.

Stanley Goodspeed
Dec 26, 2005
What, the feet thing?



Do you have any savings already from deployments or just being frugal while you were in? The difference between something in the bank and nothing in the bank is pretty big and might really influence your choice here. If you're already sitting on some sort of rainy day fund it would probably be best to get to UC Davis, as you'll be giving yourself a better opportunity to make money after school as well as reducing your overall headaches.

I don't know much about SFSU in particular but my girlfriend and a lot of my friends are at CSUs right now and they all consistently bemoan everything from the facilities to the bureaucratic nightmare they turn everything into. The only positive thing I've heard about a CSU has been about East Bay, and that was exclusively regarding the fact that "no one cared" there. YMMV of course but I'd still be wary.

For Davis, you're overestimating rental costs a little bit, especially if you can tolerate a housemate, I have several friends attending right now and their housing costs are never in excess of $750 so long as they're in shared living situations, even at the nicer apartments. Since you practically have to bike just to get around campus don't shy away from places a little further away from the campus either.

Did you get into any other UCs / CSUs or have you narrowed it down to those two already?

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

If you want to go to graduate school, UC Davis is probably a better bet. You will have professors with better connections that will write you letters of recommendations. I'm going to a school where half of my faculty got their PhDs from the #1 program in the country and know everyone there, and the rest of my faculty went to programs 2-6.

Bellum
Jun 3, 2011

All war is deception.
90k is a lot of money that you could invest and jumpstart a retirement plan, or buy a house/make a sizable down payment (not in California obviously).

I'd go to SFSU for undergrad and pursue graduate opportunity elsewhere. The degree is just a means to an end to achieve the earning potential to have nice things, which means that you should try to put a price tag/opportunity cost on what UC Davis is worth. Is it worth 90k?

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners
The potential life-long earnings difference between a SFSU degree and UC-Davis degree is going to be greater than $90k+35 years of interest.

Realistically, you're not going to be banking any money at UC-Davis. $200 to live on? Maybe if you only eat ramen and bologna.

mad_Thick
Aug 4, 2014

MassivelyBuckNegro posted:

The potential life-long earnings difference between a SFSU degree and UC-Davis degree is going to be greater than $90k+35 years of interest.

Realistically, you're not going to be banking any money at UC-Davis. $200 to live on? Maybe if you only eat ramen and bologna.

Do you mean the potential life long earnings difference will be higher at UC Davis?

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
You're not figuring in Pell grants, which is an easy 5700 bucks every academic year provided you're not earning money on a job.

mad_Thick
Aug 4, 2014

holocaust bloopers posted:

You're not figuring in Pell grants, which is an easy 5700 bucks every academic year provided you're not earning money on a job.

I need to research the Pell Grant, but can it be used while using my Post 911? Is the grant in form of cash?

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

mad_Thick posted:

I need to research the Pell Grant, but can it be used while using my Post 911? Is the grant in form of cash?

You can definitely still use it. Your 9/11 GI Bill money doesn't count as income.

And yeah, it's basically just cash in your pocket. Some schools may work differently, but mine uses the pel grant money to cover my tuition and then sends it back to me by check once they receive the GI Bill tuition money.

Stanley Goodspeed
Dec 26, 2005
What, the feet thing?



Can confirm that UC Berkeley does that so reasonably safe to assume the entire UC system works that way. Might be worth calling their Veteran's Club / Association / Whatever and talking to someone on GI Bill to confirm if you're really worried.

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bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
There should be zero conflict in receiving a pell grant. It's not tuition-restricted.

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