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Manatee Cannon posted:Bethany was ok. A little dull, but unoffensive. Carver was a dickhead. I think killing off one sibling so soon was a huge mistake. Not only did the player barely know them (nobody besides Hawke's mom seems that upset about the dead sibling), but it kept them from interacting at all. That said, I still like having whiny little brother Carver on the team then super-agreeable younger sister Bethany.
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I grew to understand and like all of the companions in DA2. Yes, even Anders. After knowing his history, guy had a hard life since the moment he became a Mage.
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Apr 27, 2015 13:52
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Every mage outside of Tevinter (and plenty within) has, but he's the only one that is quite that stupid. Not even Merril, queen of the idiots, is that stupid.
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Apr 27, 2015 13:58
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I'm still on the fence about playing it, but the more I read peoples' reactions I feel like DA2 is about desperate people making stupid decisions, and when done in a crisis the outcome is that much worse for everyone involved, even with the best of intentions. Am I reading too much into the criticism or is it possible that's what at least one writer was going for?
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Apr 27, 2015 14:10
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Manatee Cannon posted:Every mage outside of Tevinter (and plenty within) has, but he's the only one that is quite that stupid. Not even Merril, queen of the idiots, is that stupid. To me, what Anders did wasn't stupid but just him giving up on the Circle system and seeing Mages fighting for independence as the last resort, cause helping Mages in the Mage Underground, brining evidence of Templar corruption, hoping that it can be cracked down, to authorities only for it to fall on deaf ears, and his manifesto didn't work. IMO, Blowing up that Chantry was a wake-up for the non-Mages who ignored the horrors and abuses that occurs in the Circles and a call to Mages that they can fight the Chantry who have all but enslaved them and not just submit to them in fear. SgtSteel91 fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Apr 27, 2015 |
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Apr 27, 2015 14:15
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As I recall, if you don't do Anders' companion quest then his bullshit at the end is entirely out of nowhere. If you did, you are complicit in his mad scheme to start a war and thus partially responsible for all the people he kills with his dumb magic nuke. It's still pretty out of nowhere, but you know what causes it. I'm not gonna get into how Anders acts as a person except to say that he's awful, whiny, and passive aggressive. But that one thing is the biggest what the gently caress moment of that whole game to me.
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Apr 27, 2015 14:19
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:I'm still on the fence about playing it, but the more I read peoples' reactions I feel like DA2 is about desperate people making stupid decisions, and when done in a crisis the outcome is that much worse for everyone involved, even with the best of intentions. Am I reading too much into the criticism or is it possible that's what at least one writer was going for? Imagine if It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia was set in Dragon Age.
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Apr 27, 2015 14:23
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SgtSteel91 posted:Imagine if It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia was set in Dragon Age. Holy poo poo. 
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Apr 27, 2015 14:35
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Geostomp posted:I think killing off one sibling so soon was a huge mistake. Not only did the player barely know them (nobody besides Hawke's mom seems that upset about the dead sibling), but it kept them from interacting at all. DAII's opening was weak because they expect you to care about a character you've barely talked to. Like, compare to the openings in Origins -- you can have a full conversation with Iona or Darrien from the Human Noble origin which makes them a hundred times more fleshed-out than your doomed sibling in DA2.
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Apr 27, 2015 14:47
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Pattonesque posted:DAII's opening was weak because they expect you to care about a character you've barely talked to. Like, compare to the openings in Origins -- you can have a full conversation with Iona or Darrien from the Human Noble origin which makes them a hundred times more fleshed-out than your doomed sibling in DA2. What made it worse was, as I said before, only one character seems broken up about the first sibling dying. They give the quiet moment and sad music for Aveline's generic templar husband dying, but the sibling is all but written off.
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Apr 27, 2015 15:14
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Just got to Skyhold in my second game, playing as a human fighter instead of an elven mage. I love how much easier it is to convince everybody you're the Herald without having to climb over the racism and magicism that a Dalish mage gets. Also on repeated playthroughs the long walk out of Haven is less "dramatic, tough, determined" and more "boring". But the campfire/Dawn Will Come scene is still probably my favorite in the game. It's cool how on your second playthrough, after learning his secret, everything Blackwall says and does is recolored by it. A question: I haven't gone and picked up Sera or Vivi yet, and have no particular intention of doing so. Is that going to screw me somehow or can I just permanently skip them? I never used them anyway and I don't need a jester or some bald lady following me around being all negative about my words and deeds and mean to Cole.
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Apr 27, 2015 16:08
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Manatee Cannon posted:Bethany was ok. A little dull, but unoffensive. Carver was a dickhead. Is... this even possible? She's pretty drat central to the plot in Act 2. She CAN disappear for act 3 though. SgtSteel91 posted:Imagine if It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia was set in Dragon Age.  perfect
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Apr 27, 2015 16:17
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Regarding Blackwall the secret explains some of his weird approvals too. Regarding Vivienne, having a Knight enchanter helps a ton.
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Apr 27, 2015 16:19
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projecthalaxy posted:Just got to Skyhold in my second game, playing as a human fighter instead of an elven mage. I love how much easier it is to convince everybody you're the Herald without having to climb over the racism and magicism that a Dalish mage gets. Also on repeated playthroughs the long walk out of Haven is less "dramatic, tough, determined" and more "boring". But the campfire/Dawn Will Come scene is still probably my favorite in the game. It's cool how on your second playthrough, after learning his secret, everything Blackwall says and does is recolored by it. Blackwall on a second playthrough is fascinating. He never actually straight-up lies about not being a Grey Warden but he talks around it constantly. Even at Adamant, when he says "You don't know me, but you do know my name" -- he's right. They don't know him, but they knew the name of Blackwall
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Apr 27, 2015 16:23
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I haven't played the game in a while, have any of the recent updates done anything to make the banter play at a more reliable rate or is it still kinda random?
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Apr 27, 2015 16:24
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Apparently latest update revamped the banter system completely, but no idea if it actually affects the frequency. That walk to camp can also work in tactical mode, which made it really less tedious (thanks driver crash).
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Apr 27, 2015 16:28
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Yeah Blackwall and his whole arc was probably my favorite of the companion stories, although Cole was pretty good too. I'm romancing him this time around and I am excited to see how that changes things. Maybe he won't get mad at me anymore for helping him. He just can't see the big picture 
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Apr 27, 2015 16:34
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SgtSteel91 posted:Imagine if It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia was set in Dragon Age. I'm sold!
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Apr 27, 2015 16:35
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Pattonesque posted:Blackwall on a second playthrough is fascinating. He never actually straight-up lies about not being a Grey Warden but he talks around it constantly. Even at Adamant, when he says "You don't know me, but you do know my name" -- he's right. They don't know him, but they knew the name of Blackwall Nearly ALL the Iron Bull and Blackbeard dialogue clicks so much more. But the dialogue where he talks about the false calling having no power over him I got chills unexpectedly. Totally changed the tone from badass with new knowledge and an iron will, to an almost resigned sadness. Oh and to the guy not recruiting Sera, her messing with Blackwall is the best sometimes.
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Apr 27, 2015 16:44
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Thyrork posted:Varric, Aveline and Sarcastic Hawke were fine, and the only bright spots in that game. I like Flemeth because she actively fucks with Morrigan in both an ancient mystical way and an annoying mom way  "See, the -Inquisitor- has manners. How come you don't have manners? I thought I raised you better." "Shut UP, mom, you wicked crone!"
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Apr 27, 2015 16:55
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Wasabi the J posted:Nearly ALL the Iron Bull and Blackbeard dialogue clicks so much more. He's also great for the Nightmare. "Ah, there's nothing like a Grey Warden. And you are nothing like a Grey Warden..."
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Apr 27, 2015 17:01
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Wasabi the J posted:Nearly ALL the Iron Bull and Blackbeard dialogue clicks so much more. eating only apples posted:He's also great for the Nightmare. "Ah, there's nothing like a Grey Warden. And you are nothing like a Grey Warden..." I got suspicious as soon as he started talking about how to kill an Archdemon. He lays on the bullshit thick
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Apr 27, 2015 17:05
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SgtSteel91 posted:Imagine if It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia was set in Dragon Age. "Charlie rules the world"
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Apr 27, 2015 17:16
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Yeah blackwall on a second play through gets downright hilarious sometimes with how far he goes to not outright lie, even though he straight up lies about being the Blackwall dude.
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Apr 27, 2015 17:20
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JawKnee posted:Is... this even possible? She's pretty drat central to the plot in Act 2. She CAN disappear for act 3 though. You can just never talk to her at the bar, I think. The game still runs as normal though.
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Apr 27, 2015 17:22
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pmchem posted:"Charlie rules the world" "Anders builds a balm"
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Apr 27, 2015 17:22
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Got this for PC and played a little bit but wanted to play it on my TV with a controller. The PC version doesn't have controller support apparently? 
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SgtSteel91 posted:To me, what Anders did wasn't stupid but just him giving up on the Circle system and seeing Mages fighting for independence as the last resort, cause helping Mages in the Mage Underground, brining evidence of Templar corruption, hoping that it can be cracked down, to authorities only for it to fall on deaf ears, and his manifesto didn't work. IMO, Blowing up that Chantry was a wake-up for the non-Mages who ignored the horrors and abuses that occurs in the Circles and a call to Mages that they can fight the Chantry who have all but enslaved them and not just submit to them in fear. Except there was no wake up call. Anders failed in even this simple task, because the mage-templar war doesn't start because of what Anders did, as his tumblr apologists love to shriek. The war only starts because the mages figured out the cure for Tranquility and Justinia basically took their side when she told the templars to stop raping and abusing mages. The templars flipped poo poo at not being allowed to abuse and lobotomize mages as they pleased and declared war, and the mages voted to secede at the same time because Fiona felt they were not getting enough Chantry support IIRC. Basically it is Anders' cause but the entire book covering this spends a sentence or two pointing and laughing at him and the war breaks out three years AFTER the explosion and Anders is being roundly mocked as a crazy person. Anders had lots of legitimate complaints but he's basically an online keyboard warrior. He's so obnoxious and refuses to countenance any shades of gray so no one wants anything to do with him, and his cause languishes because of his inability to act like a normal person. (Thanks Justice.)
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Danith posted:Got this for PC and played a little bit but wanted to play it on my TV with a controller. The PC version doesn't have controller support apparently? You need the OFFICIAL CONTROLLER FOR WINDOWS 360 GAMING. I have a Razer sabertooth that I can't use for this game; I have to use the official one with the crappy buttons. HIJK posted:Anders had lots of legitimate complaints but he's basically an online keyboard warrior. He's so obnoxious and refuses to countenance any shades of gray so no one wants anything to do with him, and his cause languishes because of his inability to act like a normal person. (Thanks Justice.) DragonAgeCharacter.txt Seriously the only character that shows even a hint of retrospect is loving Cassandra. "Maybe we can do better than the terrible poo poo we have been doing." Wasabi the J fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Apr 27, 2015 |
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Apr 27, 2015 17:31
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JawKnee posted:Is... this even possible? She's pretty drat central to the plot in Act 2. She CAN disappear for act 3 though.
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Wasabi the J posted:You need the OFFICIAL CONTROLLER FOR WINDOWS 360 GAMING. I have a Razer sabertooth that I can't use for this game; I have to use the official one with the crappy buttons. I had a 360 controller plugged in and nothing changed. Is there a setting in the menus somewhere I have to flip? I'll try the wireless dongle and a different controller next time.
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Danith posted:I had a 360 controller plugged in and nothing changed. Is there a setting in the menus somewhere I have to flip? Yeah. In the "gameplay" settings.
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HIJK posted:Except there was no wake up call. Anders failed in even this simple task, because the mage-templar war doesn't start because of what Anders did, as his tumblr apologists love to shriek. The war only starts because the mages figured out the cure for Tranquility and Justinia basically took their side when she told the templars to stop raping and abusing mages. The templars flipped poo poo at not being allowed to abuse and lobotomize mages as they pleased and declared war, and the mages voted to secede at the same time because Fiona felt they were not getting enough Chantry support IIRC. But that gets weird because a lot of people in Inquisition seem to place Anders as the one sparking the rebellion. Wasabi the J posted:Seriously the only character that shows even a hint of retrospect is loving Cassandra. "Maybe we can do better than the terrible poo poo we have been doing." I prefer Leliana's "this poo poo was always stacked against anyone who's not human or a Mage and needs to be overhauled from the ground-up." SgtSteel91 fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Apr 27, 2015 |
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Apr 27, 2015 18:17
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Danith posted:Got this for PC and played a little bit but wanted to play it on my TV with a controller. The PC version doesn't have controller support apparently? I'm using a third party controller and it's working pretty well. Better than keyboard and mouse - I am terrible at using controllers but it's p. intuitive here.
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Apr 27, 2015 18:21
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grack posted:Does anyone else feel kinda bad killing Snofleurs? I mean, useful skin and all that but they're so pathetic I feel like I'm killing someone's lost pet. Then I see them periscope and feel really bad. Yes. They're super happy looking and then I just end that happiness.
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Apr 27, 2015 18:35
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Bored posted:Yes. They're super happy looking and then I just end that happiness.
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Apr 27, 2015 18:46
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Pattonesque posted:I got suspicious as soon as he started talking about how to kill an Archdemon. He lays on the bullshit thick Well technically, why only a grey warden has to kill an archdemon is a secret, so even if he was a warden, he'd have to bullshit.
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Lotish posted:Well technically, why only a grey warden has to kill an archdemon is a secret, so even if he was a warden, he'd have to bullshit.
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Lotish posted:Well technically, why only a grey warden has to kill an archdemon is a secret, so even if he was a warden, he'd have to bullshit. Which is probably why he got away with the deception for so long. The Wardens are so secretive normally that all he had to do was mumble and be evasive to pass for one when anybody started asking too many questions.
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SgtSteel91 posted:But that gets weird because a lot of people in Inquisition seem to place Anders as the one sparking the rebellion. This is very true but I think it's operating from the scapegoat principle. I frequently hear Truman cited as the sole decision maker about whether the atomic bomb should have been dropped on Japan but he wasn't the only cause, the bombs were dropped as the result of several years of momentum and prior events. I think it's the same thing with Anders, it's just easier to nail him for it. quote:I prefer Leliana's "this poo poo was always stacked against anyone who's not human or a Mage and needs to be overhauled from the ground-up." Murder Pope, best pope. 
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