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Looking forward to Sanders announcing, very exciting. The only candidate that seems worth it.
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The best part of this news is that Bernie's running as a Democrat, which was still partly in doubt until today. So he'll have a good chance of being on the debate stage with Hillary at whatever events are scheduled.
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Apr 29, 2015 01:45
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Joementum posted:
Well Hillary should win the nomination running away but I hope Bernie sticks around long enough so I can say I voted for an honest to god socialist in the primary. I live in VA so no way in hell would I throw my vote away in the general if he actually ran third party. Plus I think it's important there are a few other choices on the Dem side if only to keep the contest honest and keep Hillary from relaxing too much. axeil fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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Apr 29, 2015 01:50
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i hope he just gets on as many state ballots as possible regardless of how long the actual campaign lasts
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Apr 29, 2015 01:55
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Cory Booker as VP stephanie rawlings-blake for veep
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Apr 29, 2015 01:55
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PupsOfWar posted:stephanie rawlings-blake for veep I don't know if the Green Party wants to be tied with her. Or did the crazy wing maintain control in the last convention?
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Apr 29, 2015 02:24
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Make Keith Ellison Bernie's VP pick. A liberal black Muslim and a Jewish socialist. They'll get my vote! And that'll probably be it.
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Apr 29, 2015 02:51
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Does anybody think that Sanders genuinely would want to be president ? He's obviously running to influence Clinton. That kind of stinks from a 'good faith' perspective.
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Apr 29, 2015 02:55
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Vladimir Putin posted:Does anybody think that Sanders genuinely would want to be president ? He's obviously running to influence Clinton. That kind of stinks from a 'good faith' perspective. hes going to use it as a platform for progressive ideas which is totally fine and worth it
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Apr 29, 2015 03:00
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Vladimir Putin posted:Does anybody think that Sanders genuinely would want to be president ? He's obviously running to influence Clinton. That kind of stinks from a 'good faith' perspective. If he actually got in then he'd either be the least effectual president in recent memory or will compromise on something that will make leftists mad.
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Apr 29, 2015 03:27
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Vladimir Putin posted:Does anybody think that Sanders genuinely would want to be president ? He's obviously running to influence Clinton. That kind of stinks from a 'good faith' perspective. This is how things work in the FPTP system, primaries are for swaying the eventual nominee on particular issues, and the general is about sucking it up and dealing with whatever milquetoast candidate can raise the most money. It doesn't stink, it's how you get things done.
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Apr 29, 2015 03:37
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axeil posted:Well Hillary should win the nomination running away but I hope Bernie sticks around long enough so I can say I voted for an honest to god socialist in the primary. I live in VA so no way in hell would I throw my vote away in the general if he actually ran third party. Ahem, democratic socialist
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Joementum posted:The best part of this news is that Bernie's running as a Democrat, which was still partly in doubt until today. So he'll have a good chance of being on the debate stage with Hillary at whatever events are scheduled. Maybe I missed something but was there any real indications he was contemplating an independent run? Those murmurs I had heard I dismissed as fringe pipe dreams because come on now, a veteran politician like Bernie would choose to flame out on something like that? LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:hes going to use it as a platform for progressive ideas which is totally fine and worth it I'd be exceptionally surprised if anything other than this was the case.
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Apr 29, 2015 04:11
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Ahem, democratic socialist Now he's a Democratic democratic socialist. I hope he does well enough in the polls to get invited to primary debates, so more people can hear his ideas.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Cory Booker as VP he'd be a terrible choice if she really wants to run as the populist candidate
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Apr 29, 2015 04:15
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You see, Hillary Clinton is like Harvey Dent. And Bernie Sanders is Batman...
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Tomahawk posted:You see, Hillary Clinton is like Harvey Dent. And Bernie Sanders is Batman... Part of me wants to see a Batman movie where Batman's lines are dubbed with Bernie's voice.
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FAUXTON posted:Part of me wants to see a Batman movie where Batman's lines are dubbed with Bernie's voice. MAI PARENTS ARE DEHD. EDIT: Who then would be Bain? Pappyland fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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Apr 29, 2015 04:41
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Pappyland posted:Who then would be Bain? Romney, of course. *breaks Batman's back over his knee* "GOOOOOD! JUST THE RIGHT HEIGHT!"
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Wow its old AND unfunny!
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Not only did Jeb support Puerto Rico statehood.. great now a bunch of loving illegal puerto ricans
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Cliff Racer posted:Wow its old AND unfunny! But enough about Mitt!
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Apr 29, 2015 04:59
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LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:hes going to use it as a platform for progressive ideas which is totally fine and worth it I hope he goes full Bernie, this was my hope from the moment 2015 rolled around. I love watching Bernie get really mad.
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Apr 29, 2015 05:03
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I always wonder how real big-tent movements are. Ted Cruz claimed that meeting two gay circuit queen moguls was evidence of his big-tent Republicanism, which I might have believed if it was anybody but Ted Cruz.
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whitey delenda est posted:This is how things work in the FPTP system, primaries are for swaying the eventual nominee on particular issues, and the general is about sucking it up and dealing with whatever milquetoast candidate can raise the most money. It doesn't stink, it's how you get things done. FPTP stinks ergo it stinks. That's how it works but that doesn't mean you have to like it. I mean drat at least let people complain about taking a bite of the poo poo sandwich.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Does anybody think that Sanders genuinely would want to be president ? He's obviously running to influence Clinton. That kind of stinks from a 'good faith' perspective. A candidate not wanting to invade and blow up random countries shouldn't feel bad about running. If that influences Hillary then good, if shes loses even better.
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VH4Ever posted:liberal neo-con hacks like Hillary lol
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I don't understand why everyone here is arguing about Hillary as if this was 1990 or 1980 or 1970. Is it just force of habit that causes you to expect campaigns and parties and candidates to act in a historical fashion? Hillary is nobody's favorite, but she has understood a strategy that makes her the inevitable front-runner in response to the strategies of the Tea Party and modern Republicans, that's all. You're stuck with Hillary because the GOP has convinced the Supreme Court and a good chunk of the American people to allow them to become a party of monsters and milquetoasts, pumped full of steroidal billionaire's cash. Only the slightest veneer of civility acts as a fig leaf for their very real compulsion to rape and rob this country and especially the middle class and the poor. I don't have to start talking about Brownback and Walker and Scott again do I? Any of the nation's innocent, patriotic belief that there are two parties, both committed to creating a prosperous, safe, and functional America, worthy of pride has been absolutely murdered, and the GOP figured out how to do it first. They radicalized in response to Clinton, through talk radio and shameless smear campaigns. They spread their wings during the W administration, having the brass balls to wear little band-aids to their convention in 2004 when they swift-boated Kerry in plain sight, with no shame whatsoever. Then they spent the entirety of Obama's presidency engaging in the most shameful dolchgestosslegende bullshit, claiming he can't actually be an American, subjecting him to the kind of scorn we haven't seen since before the Civil War. There had to be a reaction to such senseless and incomprehensibly selfish and destructive behavior from the other side, and you're not even aware of how it has changed YOU and the Democratic party. You have no hope of "winning" any more; your best hope is to forestall an absolute catastrophe. You know very well what a Scott Walker, backed by the Kochs and supported by Republican majorities in the House and Senate would do. Oh yes, you like to just focus on them destroying the Supreme Court for decades, but you can't allow your eyes to turn towards the real threat, because it scares you too much. So, because you're unwilling to look at how totally you have been routed, you don't understand why Hillary is doing what she's been doing, and why the rest of your Democratic field is letting her do it. The GOP and their supporters are a vicious, senseless mob, and their media has grabbed right hold of the Republican id, and has made this country unsafe for liberals. To her credit, Hillary understands viciousness, and she understands how a party has to fight when it's badly wounded and forced into a corner. She knows you don't like her, and she knows that the Republicans hate her. Her greatest strength lies in the fact that unlike Gore or Kerry, she has been vigorously, publicly hated and scorned by the Republicans for nigh on 25 years. She's found a loophole: the American public is actually fatigued of Clinton hatred, and the W administration and even Obama's all pale in the sunny light of nostalgia for the kind of prosperity Americans had under her husband. There are no important policies, or facts, or platforms any more; there is only a desperate fight to prevent GOP hegemony in 2016. And since you all think I'm crazy and loving annoying anyway, why don't I end with a Godwin flourish? With literally billions of dollars of dirty cash backing them, a stranglehold on state and local governments, a rabid, active, and vicious base, and all three branches of the government, what do you think the GOP would do about the "liberal problem" in America? What moral compass would guide them, prevent them from finally creating an Enabling Act of their own? Do you really have such faith in the civility and open-mindedness of Republicans that you think they would wield complete executive, legislative, and judicial authority in a way that still left room for liberalism in America? No, Hillary is brilliant. She knows she's the last straw you can grab at, and she is absolutely relying on that sense of terror and panic that you are so unwilling to admit accompanies your thoughts of what would happen if you get a Republican president in 2016. So, she's gone about talking to smarter and more powerful people, and they have no qualms in admitting that they are terrified and desperately need her to be the candidate. This is not the same world, the same America, and certainly not the same kind of Presidential race we had back in the 20th century. So, suck it up, liberalailures; you're voting for Hillary or death in 2016! It's almost as if you have no choice at all. Quidam Viator fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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Quidam Viator posted:
Rhetorical flourishes aside, I think everyone pretty much acknowledges that already. The really frightening thing is what happens if something actually does force Hillary out of the race (sudden heart attack, etc.)
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An accelerationist would be a Hillary supporter.
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Hillary Clinton would be a better administrator than Bernie Sanders, which is most of what the President does.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Rhetorical flourishes aside, I think everyone pretty much acknowledges that already. So I'll lose the flourishes, and ask directly: Do you really understand that you no longer have any space to make choices as a liberal? Do you understand how severely you are losing the fight for the hearts and minds of the American people? Do you understand that without some sort of radical change, one of the severity of the Tea Party movement, that liberalism is very close to death here in America? Because it feels to me like everyone's arguing about the wrong things. Radbot posted:An accelerationist would be a Hillary supporter. See, YOU understand me, Radbot. The glory of taking an accelerationist position right now is that I literally can't lose. Since Sanders has a snowball's chance in hell, and there's no unified, captivating, powerful movement to reclaim the states, the governorships, or the local offices, no matter who wins, even if it's Hillary, we accelerate towards a total collapse of the nation, which I believe is long-due. Quidam Viator fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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Quidam Viator posted:So I'll lose the flourishes, and ask directly: Do you really understand that you no longer have any space to make choices as a liberal? Do you understand how severely you are losing the fight for the hearts and minds of the American people? Do you understand that without some sort of radical change, one of the severity of the Tea Party movement, that liberalism is very close to death here in America? asking three rhetorical questions isn't the best way to minimize your rhetorical flourishes. seriously you're as bad as limbaugh
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Quidam Viator posted:So I'll lose the flourishes, and ask directly: Do you really understand that you no longer have any space to make choices as an accelerationist? Do you understand how severely you are losing the fight for the hearts and minds of the D&D people? Do you understand that without some sort of radical change, one of the severity of the Tea Party movement, that accelerationism is very close to death here in D&D?
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baw posted:asking three rhetorical questions isn't the best way to minimize your rhetorical flourishes. seriously you're as bad as rush limbaugh I'm about to disappear again, but those questions are in no way rhetorical; they are concrete, and lend themselves to yes or no answers. The issue is that you're afraid to admit an answer, to confidently say yes or no. You want to avoid those questions because the answers are too painful, and you don't have the ideas or the strength to look directly at their consequences.
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Yes, computer parts. I understand that I will never convince any of you of anything, since I'm reduced to caricature. It doesn't stop me from wishing that even a few people would stop calling me crazy long enough to really ask themselves if maybe their position is the crazy one. Every one of those three questions lends itself to a yes or no answer; they're not rhetorical. What they ARE is difficult. You don't want to answer them because you are unwilling to face the truth of your current situation. In your head, you harbor some abstract fantasy about how things are going to get (?) better under Clinton, and then... after four or eight years... without any concrete strategy or unifying platform, you're going to take back all of the governorships and the House and Senate, and all the states? That's the definition of insanity for me, that blind, unexamined certainty that everything's going to turn out JUST FINE because of course the way YOU see the world has to be the right one.
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Quidam Viator posted:I'm about to disappear again, but those questions are in no way rhetorical; they are concrete, and lend themselves to yes or no answers. The issue is that you're afraid to admit an answer, to confidently say yes or no. You want to avoid those questions because the answers are too painful, and you don't have the ideas or the strength to look directly at their consequences. Quidam Viator posted:you really understand that you no longer have any space to make choices as a liberal. you understand how severely you are losing the fight for the hearts and minds of the American people. you understand that without some sort of radical change, one of the severity of the Tea Party movement, that liberalism is very close to death here in America. that is how your "questions" look if you take out the first word in each of them
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