|
XboxPants posted:That's 100% true though. I'm still in the Tien tournament myself. Krillin beating Chiaotzu was hilarious AND educational!  I learned some math from it!
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 04:56
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 05:19 |
|
|
RaspberryCommie posted:It's a spoiler even. What drink is stronger than whiskey?
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 04:58
|
|
|
Mraagvpeine posted:What drink is stronger than whiskey? The God of the Gods of Destruction; Absinthe
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 05:01
|
|
|
Stallion Cabana posted:The God of the Gods of Destruction; Absinthe Nah, that'd be Alcohol. Absinthe could be second in command.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 06:22
|
|
|
I hope we get to see more of Tarble in the new series. Also Jaco
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 06:33
|
|
|
So what you're saying is that the very last final last opponent of Dragonball Whatever will be something stronger than any alcohol. I nominate the literal Saiyan deity, Kannabisu.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 07:31
|
|
|
Fucknag posted:So what you're saying is that the very last final last opponent of Dragonball Whatever will be something stronger than any alcohol. Everyone asking for more representation of lady fighters will be happy to meet our new heroine, Heroin.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 07:45
|
|
|
I know people like to talk poo poo about how dumb this Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan poo poo is but in my opinion the original Super Saiyan look is still the best, and just using that form but with minimal changes is all good in my book. IMO Super Saiyan 3 is really dumb and I'm sort of glad that Toriyama decided to basically retcon it out of existence. The only guy who ever looked good as a Super Saiyan 3 was Gotenks because he's kind of a comedy character and Super Saiyan 3 just looks hilarious anyways.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 08:33
|
|
|
The only reason I kinda liked SS3 when I first saw it was because in the manga he kinda looked like an angel come to kick butt, but with hair instead of wings. And when I saw the anime, it was Sean Schemmel's screaming and the world loving tearing itself apart that sold me on it. The thing I like about Super Saiyan God is that it isn't directly a straight shoot of power up, but more like a divine rank in D&D terms in that it grants unique perks and benefits parallel to straight power.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 10:08
|
|
|
I didn't mind SSJ3. It made them look even more primal which seemed to be the Saiyans whole thing. It was the most drastic transformation though, that's for sure. Even when Goku went SSJ for the first time he was still just Goku, but blonde this time. SSJ3 made him look like a completely different animal
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 10:10
|
|
|
SS3 is cool because it was pretty much tailor-made for Gotenks and Gotenks rocks so therefore SS3 rocks.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 10:18
|
|
|
Mischitary posted:I know people like to talk poo poo about how dumb this Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan poo poo is but in my opinion the original Super Saiyan look is still the best, and just using that form but with minimal changes is all good in my book. IMO Super Saiyan 3 is really dumb and I'm sort of glad that Toriyama decided to basically retcon it out of existence. The only guy who ever looked good as a Super Saiyan 3 was Gotenks because he's kind of a comedy character and Super Saiyan 3 just looks hilarious anyways. SSJ3 was used for a few minutes in Battle of Gods...hardly 'retconned out of existence'. Rendered obsolete, if anything. SSJ4 is the one that's going to be retconned out of the 'real' timeline.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 10:50
|
|
|
I wouldn't worry too much about SSj4, if you liked it. Toriyama may never use it, but it's definitely something that the corp that owns Dragonball is going to throw into all dragonball merchandise till the end of time. Also, seriously pumped for Super Dragonball.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 11:17
|
|
|
SyntheticPolygon posted:SS3 is cool because it was pretty much tailor-made for Gotenks and Gotenks rocks so therefore SS3 rocks. It really worked on Gotenks far better than it ever did on Goku. Or even any other Saiyan, if you count all those video game what-if scenarios throughout the years. Still, I could never make up my mind as to whether I loved Gotenks or hated him. He was far more interesting/entertaining than Goten and Kid Trunks ever were. Sure, he acted like a douchenozzle, but that's what made him fun to watch. I wouldn't mind seeing more fun with fusion in the new series if they're clever about it. SSJ4 was just a big head-scratcher for me. The whole turns-into-a-golden-super-saiyan-ape-to-turn-into-a-red-saiyan-ape-man thing was just bizarre.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 11:59
|
|
|
Last night I had a horrible revelation. I never finished Dragonball GT. I only watched to JUST AFTER the Baby Saga I believe. I never watched the 24(?) episodes after. Now I feel this odd need to finish it. Was a little odd to see episode 43 be somewhat of a rehash of Fusion Reborn though...
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 12:49
|
|
|
Zzulu posted:I didn't mind SSJ3. It made them look even more primal which seemed to be the Saiyans whole thing. It was the most drastic transformation though, that's for sure. Even when Goku went SSJ for the first time he was still just Goku, but blonde this time. SSJ3 made him look like a completely different animal Oh yeah, I always wondered if SSJ3 was not actually a higher level of transformation, but SSJ2 Goku figuring out how to half-transform into Oozaru, hence the somewhat supported by the somewhat higher increase in power but not quite to the extent of x10 that the show established at times that a full Oozaru was. I still can't figure out how the gently caress it affects time though, because Baba must be working under some really weird-rear end rules if Goku using his full power from the after life somehow also drains time from a clock that ticks down as he uses that power. That poo poo will never make sense to me, it'd make more sense if he was just close on the clock regardless.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 13:03
|
|
|
Mordaedil posted:Oh yeah, I always wondered if SSJ3 was not actually a higher level of transformation, but SSJ2 Goku figuring out how to half-transform into Oozaru, hence the somewhat supported by the somewhat higher increase in power but not quite to the extent of x10 that the show established at times that a full Oozaru was. I made a huge effort post on this before if you want to check my previous posts in this thread. And it's all based on TV show canon, not manga. But to summarize: Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 are the same form, SSj2 is just a refined version that has been fine tuned for combat. It's min/maxing for Saiyans. "Ultra" Super Saiyan is just 100% ki output. The same technique used by Roshi and Freeza when they bulk up. It's not a separate form unto itself. Super Saiyan 3 is Super Saiyan 2 with 25%~ Oozharu mixed in. It's the result of a Super Saiyan beginning to embrace their true nature. That's why they gain an ape-like brow-ridge and the hair of a wildman. Keep in mind that Oozharu is the "real" form of the Saiyan's and the human bodies they inhabit are not natural. The Saiyans learned how to compact themselves into human form in order to control their power, while Blutz waves can break the seal of this technique and allow the Saiyan to revert back to his natural beast state. Golden Oozharu is simply an Oozharu going Super Saiyan. By all accounts this is the actual form of a Saiyan and that's why the Legendary Super Saiyan is depicted as a Golden Oozharu. Super Saiyan 4 is the full 100% transformative potential of a Saiyan individual. It is a perfect amalgamation of the maximum potential of a Super Saiyan and their true Oozharu form, then compacted back down into a humanoid body to facilitate speed and finesse as well as being a smaller target. It's what happens when a Golden Oozharu uses the same technique the ancient Saiyans used to create human bodies to contain their destructive power. Then you've got Super Saiyan God which isn't actually a Super Saiyan. Goku is in base form while fighting as an SSjG. (Based God, if you will). He then goes Super Saiyan while fighting Golden Freeza and thus becomes an actual Super Saiyan God, fulfilling the Oracle Fishes prophecy Esroc fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Apr 29, 2015 |
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 13:45
|
|
|
Baba's deal was that she gave a dead guy enough energy to exist for a day. Goku went SSJ 3 and used it all up.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 13:46
|
|
|
Esroc posted:I made a huge effort post on this before if you want to check my previous posts in this thread. And it's all based on TV show canon, not manga. But to summarize: I like it. I know this new series is a continuation of the new movies, I'd love a Dragon Ball story WAY down the historical line- like the brief glimpse you get of "Goku Jr." and "Vegeta Jr." (where somehow these families of monkey people from outer space haven't kept in touch over the years???), only not even SSJ yet. Tone the power levels WAY down- back to Dragon Ball/Saiyan Saga poo poo. A whole new group, facing new adversity. Maybe throw in a few easter eggs now and then, with King Kai telling stories, or an aged Piccolo or Dende being a mentor. Have the big bad be whoever rises to fill the power gap left behind by Frieza and King Cold's deaths, and a whole new team of humans and people with a few drops of Saiyan blood rising up to stop them. Students of Krillin's Turtle Hermit school, or Tien's Crane School. New Leaf fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Apr 29, 2015 |
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 13:49
|
|
|
Esroc posted:I made a huge effort post on this before if you want to check my previous posts in this thread. And it's all based on TV show canon, not manga. But to summarize: This fits perfectly with my headcannon, I like it thusly.  Shame that it can work for us on an individual level, but not for discussing dragon ball on large. Since it actually demands a little bit of multi-layered thinking.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 14:00
|
|
|
Mordaedil posted:This fits perfectly with my headcannon, I like it thusly. That's what I love most about Dragonball. The lore, when you get right down to it, is actually pretty vague which opens up a lot of room for headcanon.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 14:07
|
|
|
Drowning Rabbit posted:Last night I had a horrible revelation. I never finished Dragonball GT. I only watched to JUST AFTER the Baby Saga I believe. I don't get why people feel this way. DBGT sucks, I know DBGT sucks, I won't watch something that sucks. Never seen an episode of DBGT and never will, and I am ok with that. I'm tepid about the new series, honestly. It could be good, but it could be GT levels of bad too. The BoG movie is pretty good, but I just want to reserve judgment until it comes out. I still think the whole God Ki thing really complicates the story a bit. Also, something that crossed my mind reading the thread last night. Radditz came to earth to get Goku, right? How were they going to fit in his tiny little spaceship?
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 14:33
|
|
|
facebook jihad posted:I don't get why people feel this way. DBGT sucks, I know DBGT sucks, I won't watch something that sucks. Never seen an episode of DBGT and never will, and I am ok with that. He didn't necessarily plan on leaving with him immediately. As far as he knew Goku was reigning over Dragonworld as God King Kakarot. He could have easily just intended to meet up with him, explain the whole Saiyan thing, and send a ship to pick him up later.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 14:36
|
|
|
There was also probably a decent chance Goku's pop was still intact. At least intact enough to repair, I guess. I mean, isn't that how Dr Briefs got Goku to Namek in the end?
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 14:41
|
|
|
That's an interesting way of looking at it. I have a different theory about how Ki works. Should I post it and you can point out whatever may be wrong with it?
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 14:55
|
|
|
Mraagvpeine posted:That's an interesting way of looking at it. I have a different theory about how Ki works. Should I post it and you can point out whatever may be wrong with it? I'm always up for other peoples interpretations. That's half the fun!
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 14:58
|
|
|
That's way more thought than Toriyama ever put into it. The numbered transformations are just higher tiers of Super Saiyan and SSJ3 gets the pronounced brow (Golden Frieza gets this, strangely) and long rear end hair because he thought it looked good.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 18:28
|
|
|
Esroc posted:I made a huge effort post on this before if you want to check my previous posts in this thread. And it's all based on TV show canon, not manga. But to summarize: so where does Broly's LSSJ form and Goku's "False" Super Saiyan form(from Lord Slug) fit into this?(cause if we're including Golden Oozaru and SSJ4 it's only fair to include those states as well)
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 21:21
|
|
|
Goku's false form is Goku using kaioken x50 (same as a super saiyan) and Broly is just Broly. It's not unique, it's just how he looks super saiyan.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 21:42
|
|
|
Yeah I always thought Broly was "Legendary" because he achieved it at such a young age or something and he is just 100% full-on anger in that form.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 21:48
|
|
|
I think the "official" explanation is that Broly is just a mutant freak of nature and the "legendary" form is his own thing applied to his SSJ form, not some special version of Super Saiyan.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 22:11
|
|
|
Mutants seem to be pretty powerful in Dragon Ball, King Cold's family, Broly... Next Dragon Ball villains? 
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 23:02
|
|
|
Raserys posted:Mutants seem to be pretty powerful in Dragon Ball, King Cold's family, Broly... No, perhaps some sort of Mechanized Mutant.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 23:05
|
|
|
Xad posted:Yeah I always thought Broly was "Legendary" because he achieved it at such a young age or something and he is just 100% full-on anger in that form. I liked DBM's explanation where he is the "Legendary" SS because he constantly gains power without training. Just via existing, he's getting stronger.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 23:06
|
|
|
DRAGON DRAGON WALK THE DRAGON NEW DRAGON BALL ZEEEEYAAAA! I'm hype.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 23:30
|
|
|
Gonzo McFee posted:WALK 
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 23:31
|
|
|
Dragons need regular exercise and fresh air.
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 23:36
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 23:37
|
|
|
Gonzo McFee posted:DRAGON DRAGON WALK THE DRAGON NEW DRAGON BALL ZEEEEYAAAA! new thread title Dragonball Z: DRAGON DRAGON WALK THE DRAGON
|
|
#
?
Apr 29, 2015 23:38
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 05:19 |
|
|
TriffTshngo posted:I think the "official" explanation is that Broly is just a mutant freak of nature and the "legendary" form is his own thing applied to his SSJ form, not some special version of Super Saiyan. The "official" explanation is that he's the reincarnation of the LSSJ, that appears every 1000 years or something. It's only canon to things he's in, though. LSSJ works uniquely to him in anything he's in, and otherwise it just plain doesn't really exist. It's one of those things where you can't really try to apply it to the TV/manga canon, because it explicitly has to follow different rules there.
|
|
#
?
Apr 30, 2015 00:07
|
|
