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Tomn posted:It seems like the one universal aspect of every history thread is that everyone's history education pre-college/university was somehow poo poo. I thought mine was pretty good.
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Mine was occasionally pretty cool. That was mostly AP US history, which wasn't just rah rah USA. The rest were cool because trying to answer questions early and often meant teachers wouldn't bother me when I played computer games.
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Apr 28, 2015 19:24
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I'm trying to think about all the subjects that we covered with different teachers: In Middle School: -Ancient civilizations: Egypt, Greece, Rome. -Middle ages: Byzantine Empire, Crusades, Hundred Years War -Discovery of the Americas, Renaissance, Protestantism. -Louis XIV's reign -French revolution, Napoleonic era -WWI (including October Revolution), WWII In High School: -Abrahamic religions -we skipped the middles ages but the rest was there plus: -Restoration, Second Empire, Franco-Prussian War. -Third Republic WWI and WWII again (I think we saw more of the Pacific theater in high school) -the Cold War - French Decolonization. -and the I/P conflict for a single lesson. Stuff we didn't cover that stands out to me is the Haitian Revolution and the Seven Year War. We covered the slave trade though. Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Apr 28, 2015 |
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Apr 28, 2015 19:42
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Tomn posted:It seems like the one universal aspect of every history thread is that everyone's history education pre-college/university was somehow poo poo. no complaints here
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Apr 28, 2015 19:46
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You also know how to cook meth and shoot varmints from the back of a pickup.
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Apr 28, 2015 19:52
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Tiny bit of Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Charlemagne, Vikings, generic medieval Europe, maybe Mongols???, Renaissance, Age of Exploration, English colonies, 7 Years' War, American Revolution, French Revolution, 1812, Manifest Destiny, Tex-Mex, Civil War & Reconstruction, Spanish-American War, Progressive Era, WWI, Depression, WWII, Cold War, ???THE FUTURE??? Also because I grew up in Nebraska PLAINS INDIANS PLAINS INDIANS PLAINS INDIANS shoehorned in wherever it would fit.
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Apr 28, 2015 19:53
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JaucheCharly posted:You also know how to cook meth and shoot varmints from the back of a pickup. 
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Apr 28, 2015 20:19
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Since we're doing Post Your History Education: F&I War (just the North American part) Revolutionary War Articles of Confederation to Constitution About a day or so on the War of 1812 Civil War TOTEM POLES, SALMON, DUGOUT CANOES, POTLATCH, CEDAR CLOTH, BENTWOOD BOXES, BUTTON BLANKETS A quick summary of pre-historic peoples A week each on Mohenjo-Daro & Sumer A few weeks on Egypt Several months on a still somehow incredibly shallow understanding of Ancient Greece Literally two days on Rome ("I don't like to spend a lot of time on Rome because they just stole everything from the Greeks" -  )Medieval Europe, particularly Britain CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS AND HOW HE WAS A HUGE DICK F&I War (Just the NA part) Revolutionary War FRANCIS DRAKE CAPTAIN COOK GEORGE VANCOUVER ROBERT GRAY Triangle Trade and the horrors of slavery Civil War TOTEM POLES SALMON DUGOUT CANOES POTLATCH CEDAR CLOTH BENTWOOD BOXES BUTTON BLANKETS Westward Expansion & Trail of Tears ('there were Indians, we made treaties with them then screwed them over and put them on reservations') Industrial Revolution ('machines were invented and the workers had to live in horrible conditions and lots of them got hurt') About a week on WWI ('there were lots of complicated alliances then a war happened because ARCHDUKE FRANZ FERDINAND and there were trenches and it was horrible and then the US showed up and won the war!') Great Depression (Mostly just to tie in with reading The Grapes of Wrath) WW2 (pretty much just HOLOCAUST HOLOCAUST HOLOCAUST BOMBING OF DRESDEN NANKING ATOMIC BOMBS) Civil Rights Movement That's 5th-8th grade, High School was just that looped a few more times + a bunch of poo poo about India and Asoka and Chandragupta Maurya that I cannot for the life of me remember anything about. hailthefish fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Apr 28, 2015 |
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Apr 28, 2015 20:28
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hailthefish posted:Since we're doing Post Your History Education: Weirdly, my history education was almost exactly the same except replace Pacific Northwest things with Great Lakes things. I always got the sense they were trying to make me feel bad about something, but I was never sure quite what. A bit off topic from this thread, but it also drove me nuts in high school how they only ever talked about the causes of WWI and never the consequences of it (you know, the important bit  ). I had to write a paper and it was pretty much "well some european killed an european and that caused a war somehow? i dunno anyway it happened  " All of my K-12 history schooling was about events, but they never had the time to explain why anyone should care about those events!
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Apr 28, 2015 20:57
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Mine went: Ancient civilizations Greeks did things so did romans, Renaissance. hope you know how to pronounce Italian Triangle Trade 1776. USA USA USA USA War of 1812. sure we lost most of it, but we had PIRATES fighting with us in New Orleans. ballin Georgia History sub chapter: Still hot as balls Oglethorpe was surprisingly chill The cherokee live in the north part of the sta *ANDREW JACKSON* not anymore lol there were some Seminoles too but they hosed off to Florida so not our problem Mexican American War. Curbstomp. USA USA USA USA Civil war. Lost cause textbooks with teachers constantly pointing out how bs they were Post civil war era. Widespread corruption, lynchings and terrorism oh my Spanish American War. Curbstomp. USA USA USA USA World War 1. we only showed up for the last part, but gently caress it: USA USA USA USA GREAT DEPRESSION World War 2: USA USA USA USA Teacher says gently caress it and lets us gently caress around in class the last few weeks of school before summer
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Apr 28, 2015 21:01
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I wanted to summarize it but it was going to be a huge boring pile of text because we learned a lot about a lot. This is the Virginia "standards of learning" page for history/social sciences, and because I went to a well-funded public school in a very good school system we learned virtually all of this by the time I graduated high school: http://www.doe.virginia.gov/testing/sol/standards_docs/history_socialscience/
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Apr 28, 2015 21:10
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It's so long ago, I can't recall much. Stoneage, bronze age, ironage (we visited an outdoor museum where they built proper huts for each period and baked proper bread. That was pretty great) Ancient civilizations Greece, Alexander, Rome Some medieval stuff, magna carta Babenberger, Habsburger, Crusades 30 YW, French Revolution, Napoleon, Befreiungskriege, Vienna Kongress, 1848 Kleindeutsche - Großdeutsche Lösung WW1, Inter war period, Great depression WW2 Cold War stuff. We also visited Mauthausen. There's a room near the gas chamber, with a high ceiling, not a large room, but high. There's metal rigging on the wall, which has a wire on it. It's a gallow, they'd pull you high up. That was quite haunting. The place is also cold and windy, not just literally.
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Apr 28, 2015 21:56
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At my junior school (when I was about 10 or something I guess?) we learned about the Black Death and it was sick. Really vivid imagery of abandoned towns, corpse-strewn streets, apocalyptic social collapse. The imagery particularly has stayed with me throughout my life. We also had a bit about Vikings (We got to make wicked little Viking Long-ships out of balsa wood - mine had a red and white striped sail that I was particularly proud of), and ancient Egypt. In the latter module the class got divided up into groups of 5 or 6 and each group built and decorated a (child sized) sarcophagus out of very thick modelling carboard. I recall my group was pretty crap with the glue gun and one of the side walls fell off our sarcophagus after only a moderate amount of pretending to be horror movie mummies. Our history at that school was really hands on with the construction projects. I guess the goal was to get us to pay attention and use what we had learned in class in the modelling projects, but all I remember as an adult is how much fun the projects were. It certainly left me with a lifelong interest and appreciation for history. Senior school history was pretty crappy. Tudors mostly as I recall. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Apr 28, 2015 |
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Apr 28, 2015 22:17
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Aztecs largest mammal they ate on a regular basis was deer. Turkeys were not the worthless monsters they are today but were certainly domesticated. They also farmed salamanders and small dogs for food.
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Apr 28, 2015 22:17
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Oberleutnant posted:Senior school history was pretty crappy. Tudors mostly as I recall. For a while it seemed like every other time the history subject changed was Time For More Tudors. Especially that stupid loving Tudor boat
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Apr 28, 2015 23:28
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:For a while it seemed like every other time the history subject changed was Time For More Tudors. Especially that stupid loving Tudor boat shut up, that boat owned
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Apr 28, 2015 23:32
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I'm still annoyed that the choose your own adventure book about the black death we did followed up getting out of the town to live away from people with "lol rabbits can carry plague fleas too" and immediately killed you. Goddamn history class, reward metagaming.
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Apr 28, 2015 23:37
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HEY GAL posted:shut up, that boat owned I just wanted one lesson where we learnt about a boat that *didn't* sink okay
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Apr 28, 2015 23:38
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Grand Fromage posted:They're lovely draft animals, they're not very strong. I am not sure if they were used for food much. My instinct is there isn't much in the way of grazing land in South America. The most advanced civilization was the Inca, and they're up in crazy rear end mountains. Amazon wouldn't be suitable for that sort of thing. Argentina has a lot of graze land but I suspect that's European created. There was some kind of reasonably advanced civilization in the Amazon basin when the first Europeans arrived, but they were some of the first native societies to collapse due to disease so we have nothing but glimpses from the records of conquistadors. And since they didn't build their poo poo out of stone like the Inca and the Maya our information about them is patchy at best because archeologists didn't even realize they should be looking for them until recently. There was one famous explorer, Percy Fawcett, who was convinced there was a huge lost city in the Amazon and he died trying to find it, but since, as I said, they didn't leave any stone buildings or walls or anything like that behind, Fawcett wouldn't have found that city if he tripped over it. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Apr 28, 2015 |
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Apr 28, 2015 23:53
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Tomn posted:It seems like the one universal aspect of every history thread is that everyone's history education pre-college/university was somehow poo poo. I wrote a 15 page paper on Populism and the political economy of the US in the 1860s - 1910s in senior AP History and my teacher said in like 25 years I was literally the first person to pick that topic for the paper. Most other people took stuff like presidential biographies or Cold War diplomatic stuff
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Apr 29, 2015 00:42
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Really all of the Americas is like that. The first Europeans report seeing people just all over the loving place, and then somebody else comes back twenty years later and the area is nearly deserted. 
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Apr 29, 2015 00:43
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Dalael posted:I'm interested! Anything I can learn about any and all ancient culture is always welcome. "The Maya, Seventh Edition" Michael D. Coe "Mexico: From the Olmecs to the Aztecs, Fifth Edition" Michael D. Coe and Rex Koontz "An Illustrated Dictionary of The Gods and Symbols of Ancient Mexico and the Maya" Mary Miller and Karl Taube All from Thames & Hudson They're all on the old side so may be out-of-date, but Coe and Taube are both Big Names in the field.
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Apr 29, 2015 00:44
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:For a while it seemed like every other time the history subject changed was Time For More Tudors. Especially that stupid loving Tudor boat Which boat is that? I thought I had passing familiarity with English history, and am not aware of any notorious "Tudor boat". Unless it's an oblique reference to, I dunno, Sir Francis Drake or something.
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Apr 29, 2015 01:36
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sullat posted:Which boat is that? I thought I had passing familiarity with English history, and am not aware of any notorious "Tudor boat". Unless it's an oblique reference to, I dunno, Sir Francis Drake or something. The Mary Rose.
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Apr 29, 2015 01:47
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My history education was pretty good - in a bizarre twist, it was my math/science classes that had bored, checked out coaches or drunks or drunk coaches teaching them.
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Apr 29, 2015 02:02
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Kanine posted:So in pre-European Central/South American cultures, were llamas/alpacas handled the same way cows were in Europe at the time? I vaguely remember reading that there were no large meat sources for the aztecs (or mayas or inca?) Why didn't they breed llamas/alpacas en masse? Sorry if this is a dumb question. They didn't keep llamas indoors though which means they didn't build up as much of a resistance to bacteria and microbes and poo poo as Old Worlders who had spent millennia wallowing in the piss and poo poo from the animals they were constantly in contact with.
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Apr 29, 2015 02:34
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FreudianSlippers posted:They didn't keep llamas indoors though which means they didn't build up as much of a resistance to bacteria and microbes and poo poo as Old Worlders who had spent millennia wallowing in the piss and poo poo from the animals they were constantly in contact with. I think it was actually that the Europeans brought new germs with them that the New Worlders had never been exposed to. No amount of wallowing in llama poop would fix that.
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Apr 29, 2015 02:37
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Couldn't hurt to try.
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Apr 29, 2015 02:43
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Does llama poop cure smallpox? Find out at 11  RE: Schoolchat, I had one really good teacher in high school who spent the entire semester teaching us about the Middle East using news broadcasts he recorded over the years and his own materials, from the causes of the Second Intifada to the Iranian Revolution and why the Iranians hated our guts, interspersed with current events and why the conflict in Iraq wasn't going to end anytime soon and how blowing up people and flaunting our military might wouldn't provide a long term solution to very old problems (this was 2006 so it was just before the surge began in earnest, he had a field day with that announcement). Unfortunately I only had him for a semester but I won't lie when I say he was probably the best teacher I've ever had, he managed to make a roomfull of apathetic teenagers care about current events and wonder why things are happening beyond the immediate causes.
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Apr 29, 2015 03:30
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Arglebargle III posted:The Bactrian camel is a disgrace to life on Earth, and its continued existence as a species is as inexplicable as it is shameful. Should I ask?
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I had pretty good history teachers. We learned about Egypt and Greece in 4th and 5th, somehow skipped Rome and learned American history in middle school. I remember we just made it past WWII. We had a mock trial for Truman and I was Truman and everyone said I gave a very good defense of dropping the bomb on the Japs. It was probably better for them in the long run anyway. In freshman year of high school I had a teacher who would throw things at students who weren't paying attention and pretty much just do socratic lectures but make us write an article about current events every week. I thought he was great but the students who wanted to do their work and get As hated him. He held up my paper on Rome as an example of good time management. I had started it the previous night at 1 AM. In that class I mostly learned that everything is terrible, Rousseau was right and civilization has been a disaster, also Rousseau was a mess we shouldn't listen to him. Come to think of it that class was mostly about learning to write. Sophomore year of high school I had to take AP US History and my teacher was basically a burnout. He would just bullshit and tell stories all class and you had to learn the material from the book. Most of the class got busted for cheating but it was basically his fault because he was still using quizzes and tests from last decade which were now online. I remember someone came in and told him to stop class on 9/11 and he didn't give a gently caress and continued with some bullshit story about hacking his way through swamp in the USGS. I don't know how I passed that test. Junior year I had a great teacher who taught medieval history and I learned that the middle ages were hosed up and people in the middle ages were hosed up and different from us. Some French servants skinned hundreds and thousands of cats and everyone at the time thought it was really funny and nobody in the class could understand why but that was the point of the lesson. Also I learned that Easter, Eostre and Ishtar are all from the same root goddess. The teacher was like "what does Easter sound like? fertility and sky goddess?" and me and this girl both blurted out "ISHTAR??!!" at the same time. She later asked me out but I didn't want to date her because she was weird and awkward and always reading and blurting out answers in history class. I did not at the time have the self-awareness to realize that I shared all these traits. And that's the story of how I didn't date the skinny blonde history nerd who told me she liked me, because 16 year old me was a goddamn idiot. Turned out she was bi and put out. The things you learn in history class! Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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Apr 29, 2015 04:37
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We had an excellent history teacher. Several of the topics I remember: 1) Russian Civil War. There was an initial revolution that deposed the Tsar, and empowered the Duma. The two main communist parties were the Mensheviks (willing to work within the system), and the Bolsheviks (willing to subvert the system and act as the vanguard). The latter moved first in a coup, and were quick to solidfy their power over the cities. The Bolsheviks ultimately won against a disorganised alliance of monarchists and alienated former allies. Stalin was more skillful at internal party politics, and won out over Trotsky. Stalin legitimised his power while Lenin was still cooling by setting up a cult of personality around the two. That is not to say that Lenin was the "true communist" and Trotsky was the "good communist", the others would have carried out their own terrors and purges had they retained power. 2) The Great Depression. Economies are about the money flowing through the economy. Recessions, depressions, recovery, booms, were a regular cycle, which correspond to the flow rate of money. 3) JFK assassination. Eyewitness testimony is terrible, when we tried to reenact something similar. It's hard to tell the location a bullet is fired from, a bullet makes three sounds: the gunpower exploding, the sonic boom of the bullet travelling, and at the impact.
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My AP US history teacher disappeared about 6 weeks into the year (rumor was rehab, but never actually found out). We watched movies under the direction of an 80 year old sub for the remainder of the year. Good times. I think we watched Dr Zhivago at one point, so we did learn about the Russian civil war.
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Phobophilia posted:3) JFK assassination. Eyewitness testimony is terrible, when we tried to reenact something similar. It's hard to tell the location a bullet is fired from, a bullet makes three sounds: the gunpower exploding, the sonic boom of the bullet travelling, and at the impact. Our "Social Studies" teacher had us choose who we thought killed JFK: Either The CIA, The Cubans, The Russians, or the First Lady, and write about it for our final exam. This class was also optional, IIRC in high school you only had to take social studies for the first two years. I would have killed for an actual "History" class. Morzhovyye fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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I remember my history classes going over the same things every year. It'd start out in Greece, touch on Rome, do a little on England and the colonial powers, and then nothing but American history. By the time I was in high school everything had sunk in pretty thoroughly. I remember poking around in the textbooks, and there was a bunch of stuff we never covered. Really if you want to do some serious learning, you either have to do all the extra work to get into advanced classes with good grades, or you gotta do the legwork yourself. I read through the entirety of Larry Gonick's Cartoon History of the Universe a bunch of times as a kid, and I remember one of my teachers telling my mom that I knew more than her about history. I think it was because she was primarily an English teacher and only recently had to teach history, and I kept writing pro-republican/anti-imperial essays criticizing Marc Antony in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.
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xthetenth posted:The Mary Rose. spare a thought for those of us that grew up in Portsmouth and were dragged down to the historic dockyard to stare at that driftwood at least twice a year. Looks quite nice now in the new visitor centre though.
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Oberleutnant posted:spare a thought for those of us that grew up in Portsmouth and were dragged down to the historic dockyard to stare at that driftwood at least twice a year.
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Arglebargle III posted:The Bactrian camel is a disgrace to life on Earth, and its continued existence as a species is as inexplicable as it is shameful.
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Odobenidae posted:Our "Social Studies" teacher had us choose who we thought killed JFK: Either The CIA, The Cubans, The Russians, or the First Lady, and write about it for our final exam. This class was also optional, IIRC in high school you only had to take social studies for the first two years. I would have killed for an actual "History" class. ...Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't an option?
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