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elwood posted:aaaand we are back: I get that they need that sweet tourism money more than ever right now but that's some Baghdad Bob level poo poo. 'The Khumbu ice fall is fine and awaiting westerners with open arms.'
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Pretty significant aftershocks can come weeks and months after the main quake. Imagine being on the ice wall there between camps 3 and 4 when a nice 6.0 strikes. Or on the Hillary Step. Though I'm pretty sure some are thinking that it would only make them look more badass.
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elwood posted:aaaand we are back: What the actual gently caress? 
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elwood posted:aaaand we are back: Realllly tempting fate there
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DumbparameciuM posted:What the actual gently caress? Honest to god I thought it was over this year.
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Apr 30, 2015 09:43
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How bad are we supposed to feel for the people who will inevitably die, on a scale from lol to charity ?
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quote:But Gautam said the government has this week held talks with mountaineers and guides who said they were keen to resume climbing. Well if he says so it must be true.
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Apr 30, 2015 09:47
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Is that guy who wanted to activate his central heating via his smart phone from the summit still there?
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Apr 30, 2015 10:38
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Nepal has basically no other income, and has a big loving mess it needs to clean that won't pay for itself. Tourism is Nepal's only real industry. Canceling the season again would leave them with a lot of bills and a lot less income in the coming years. They desperately need to prove that climbing Everest is super safe and anyone with enough scratch can do it, and they're going to do their best to do that despite the last two years setting records for killing people who weren't even on the mountain yet. It's not wise, but it's what they've got.
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Edit: beaten. Yeah, I think they must be desperate for tourist dollars.
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Paramemetic posted:Nepal has basically no other income, and has a big loving mess it needs to clean that won't pay for itself. Tourism is Nepal's only real industry. Canceling the season again would leave them with a lot of bills and a lot less income in the coming years. I understand this but I don't know how I feel about it. Glad we might get a climbing season after all, and yeah they need all the money they can get and with good reason, but it does seem to be tempting way too much fate for my liking. I wonder if the sherpas will be up for it? Surely 2 years of the mountain killing their own more than usual would be a huge flashing warning sign?
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Apr 30, 2015 10:59
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Is there any news about other mountain expeditions like Makalu or Cho Oyu? The one silver lining, if it can be called that, I thought might come of this is that some rich folks into the whole Himalaya thing would try to open the charity taps of some of their rich friends. One can hope.
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Apr 30, 2015 11:05
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Rolling over two years of permits would basically mean they're unable to sell anymore next year.
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By the time they rig new routes isn't it gonna be too far into the season to have time to acclimatize and actually go for the summit? I mean haven't most of the climbers hosed off to lower altitudes and started to loose their "mountain lungs"? And Hell, I be worried about the Sherpas. I mean so many have gone off the look after their own communities, and then you have them being gun shy about mountain gods being angry. I can see the expeditions turning to some of the more desperate and less experienced second tier mountain guides in training.
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Rondette posted:Honest to god I thought it was over this year. Hypoxia for the mountain god  unpacked robinhood posted:How bad are we supposed to feel for the people who will inevitably die, on a scale from lol to charity ? All of the above.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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What's the version of Pele for Everest, because that mountain goddess will feast upon their tormented souls frozen on her slopes for all eternity with that hubris.
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i hpope shiva vists desctruction upon u on the mountain dely apple, thread ingeneral
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XK posted:I've hiked portions of the Appalachian trail many times. The trail is more difficult than it seems, because even though it never reaches any notable elevation, it has tons of up-down-up-down elevation changes that can be quite steep, many long stretches of heavy woods, and during hiking season it's not unusual to be hiking in 90F weather with humidity approaching 90%. A friend of mine and her siblings tried to do the Appalachian Trail a few years ago, but had to quit a week or two in because they were covered in mosquitoes 24/7. Apparently bug spray had no effect. Everest sounds like freaking paradise in comparison.
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Silent Linguist posted:A friend of mine and her siblings tried to do the Appalachian Trail a few years ago, but had to quit a week or two in because they were covered in mosquitoes 24/7. Apparently bug spray had no effect. Everest sounds like freaking paradise in comparison. u should read bill brysons a walk in the woods its funny as heck...!
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hailthefish posted:It wouldn't surprise me if they've 'reopened' it knowing that the vast majority of permit holders won't be able to make another attempt if only so they don't get demands for another rollover next year. I would think that they've got grounds to refuse a rollover. I mean an earthquake that destroys part of your country is textbook frustration of the contract.
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A friend did the Appalachian trail on his own, except for his sister in law and her husband joining him for 14 days at the end. He said the experience was amazing, and the biggest challenge is willpower to keep going. He was cast by Garmin for an ad later, here's the video if you are interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0wV2AgzoK0 It has one or two tiny glimpses into what he felt like during his trip. (Hint: not filmed on location bur somewhere in the Alps afaik)
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Leperflesh posted:The sources I looked up said three to five hundred, although they might be out of date. It makes sense to keep people from bunching up at the start, though. If you do south-to-north, you're going to do a fair amount of desert walking, which requires hauling gallons of water. Some folks bypass the southernmost stretch and start in the Sierra foothills. I think this year at least it's much higher for reasons like I said. Sometimes these things cycle up and down though quote:I've also personally hiked a ~25-mile stretch of the PCT in the High Sierra, when I was a teenager, along with the dad and one of his sons of that family, plus their dog. (The dog had a little pack, he carried his own food, it was great). We brought fishing poles and fished (didn't catch anything), I bitched and moaned about how heavy my pack was, we accidentally forgot one days' food so we had to do it in three days instead of four (which I also pissed and moaned about). ...it was loving fantastic, and I'll remember it forever. The dad would go on to complete his through-hike, years later, somewhere in his late 40s. I've been jealous ever since: it's something I'd love to do, but probably can't, due to medical issues (mostly, low blood pressure, but also a bad knee). I hiked the John Muir Trail which the PCT either uses for large stretches through the Sierra or parallels pretty closely, and it definitely is fantastic! I'd like to do the PCT as well at some point but probably not for a lonnnng time. Maybe when I have kids and they're old enough to do it with me or something. I've got a cool High Sierra trip planned this year though with some off trail parts and fun stuff like that (which is still vastly safer than Everest) quote:I don't know nearly as much about the Appalachian trail - or the one in the middle, the continental divide trail? But they're both supposed to be awesome as well, and there's another life-cheevo for you: through hike all three, make your backpacking peers jealous of your superior life. AT is kind of weird IMO. You're very close to towns for much of it and it's not uncommon for people to go into town ever 3-5 days to stock up on food, etc, and it's a very social scene at the beginning at least when a lot of people are bunched up. Can have large groups of people hiking together for awhile because of that. CDT I don't know much about though I think it's not even a fully realized trail yet, but it sounds pretty interesting. Rodnik posted:I did this, nothing will ever own so hard again in all my years. Hah, I recognize a lot of those areas too. Here's Wanda Lake (nearly 11,500 feet) in the morning. Probably the coolest place I camped  Rae Lakes looking at the Painted Lady  Rodnik posted:It can be done in 2 weeks but even the most crazy people I met up there were doing 18 days at the least. 2 Weeks is like if you only feel like putting yourself through actual hell and don't want to enjoy yourself along the ride. I did it in 17 without any really brutal days and even had some short/rest days. That said I fully endorse taking your time because it's better than wherever else you're gonna be at that moment. It's getting harder to get a permit at the moment though because it also had a big spike in popularity in recent years. There are tons of awesome places to go backpacking though in general so really if you want to do something like that don't limit yourself to just these trails (which are going to be the most crowded in the backcountry) Here's another cool place, the Wind Rivers in Wyoming Hiking over Angel Pass through a big old talus field (no trail)  Titcomb Basin  Island Lake. Lots of people climb the peaks there, I think the big one is Freemont Peak (maybe Gannett)  re: Everest, I'd guess they don't want to back up yet another year of climbing and have people bitching and have an even bigger crowd next year plus $$$ they can't afford to lose. Maybe if they fix things up well enough it'd be OK but it seems like it'd be unstable.
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quote:(Reuters) - Climbing will reopen on Mount Everest next week after damage to routes caused by avalanches that were set off by a huge earthquake, one of which killed 18 climbers at base camp, senior officials said on Thursday.
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Rondette posted:http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/04/30/quake-nepal-everest-climbing-idINKBN0NL0T920150430 lol. I wonder if the sherpas that ran off will be going back to work now. That's got to be awkward.
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DumbparameciuM posted:What the actual gently caress? I imagine it must be like having the amusement park to yourself for those who are staying. If so many people have hosed off, I'd expect lines or traffic jams will be few to none, no?
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They need the money $$> lives
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Angela Christine posted:lol. I wonder if the sherpas that ran off will be going back to work now. That's got to be awkward. It's not like they will have missed anything. No one was going up the mountain until the aftershocks calmed down anyway. I am sure the crazy people at base camp would just be happy to have them back so they can lug all their poo poo up the mountain now.
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If they don't let people climb they lose the money and get moaned at If they do let people climb they keep the money and dead people can't moan
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Why should Nepal close the mountain? Hundreds of people could die on Everest this year and it wouldn't slow the tide of rich idiots clamoring to climb it one bit. There will always be way more people who want to climb the drat thing, may as well exploit them for Plus I enjoy hearing about Westerners dying on the mountain, so there's that.
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How many May Everest Deaths will there be, as they try to rush the acclimatization to get it done in time for the end of the weather window? Because starting around the beginning of June, there are 100+ mph winds full time on the peak until autumn (as Everest actually projects up into the Jet Stream), and climbing is impossible.
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I Greyhound posted:How many May Everest Deaths will there be, as they try to rush the acclimatization to get it done in time for the end of the weather window? Because starting around the beginning of June, there are 100+ mph winds full time on the peak until autumn (as Everest actually projects up into the Jet Stream), and climbing is impossible. I have no idea. I daresay it's impossible to know for sure. Perhaps some goons could throw out a few estimates? Maybe pool them all together in one post, for reference?
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I Greyhound posted:How many May Everest Deaths will there be, as they try to rush the acclimatization to get it done in time for the end of the weather window? Because starting around the beginning of June, there are 100+ mph winds full time on the peak until autumn (as Everest actually projects up into the Jet Stream), and climbing is impossible.
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I'm surprised the Sherpas are willing to keep climbing this year.
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There's a lot of economic pressure on them, especially after not climbing last year + the tremendous cost of cleaning up their homes and caring for wounded.
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Paramemetic posted:Nepal has basically no other income, and has a big loving mess it needs to clean that won't pay for itself. Tourism is Nepal's only real industry. Canceling the season again would leave them with a lot of bills and a lot less income in the coming years.  "Are you going to close the mountain?"
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 I'm only trying to say that Nepal is a Spring town. We need Spring dollars. Now, if the people can't climb here, they'll be glad to climb at the mountains of Tibet, Argentina, Switzerland...
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"You yell 'high altitude pulmonary edema' , everyone says, 'Huh, what?' You yell 'massive loving avalanches triggered by unrelenting aftershocks' and you've got a panic on the thirtieth of April."
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pookel posted:I'm surprised the Sherpas are willing to keep climbing this year.
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Are there any reports of damage to the routes higher up on the mountain? The highest people were was camp 2 so it's be interesting if there's some other damage they dont know about yet.
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