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Codependent Poster posted:A big part of Danny Rand's character is he's a spoiled rich white kid who is viewed as an outsider and told that he doesn't belong in the places he frequents most: K'un-Lun and Harlem. Neither of these elements would be lost with an Asian-American actor. edit: Except the white part, obviously. Kinda. e X fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Aphrodite posted:Jaime King in Bulletproof Monk.
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Apr 30, 2015 14:21
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Codependent Poster posted:A big part of Danny Rand's character is he's a spoiled rich white kid who is viewed as an outsider and told that he doesn't belong in the places he frequents most: K'un-Lun and Harlem. Asian-Americans can very easily be viewed as outsiders in Asia (or fictional Asia in this case). The cultural differences make themselves very apparent. He doesn't have to be white, it's more important he's American.
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Apr 30, 2015 14:23
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I'd still like Michael Jai White.
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Apr 30, 2015 14:26
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So then why don't we make Shang-Chi white?
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Apr 30, 2015 14:26
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Hey guys guess what is 100% not going to happen?
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Apr 30, 2015 14:29
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Codependent Poster posted:So then why don't we make Shang-Chi white? You seem really smart and like you've got this all figured out.
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Apr 30, 2015 14:30
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Dan Didio posted:You seem really smart and like you've got this all figured out. The point is there is already a character named Shang-Chi out there that Marvel can use, and changing Danny Rand's race is pointless because of Shang-Chi's existence. But I wouldn't expect forums troll Dan Didio to pass up the opportunity to make a snarky, useless comment.
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Apr 30, 2015 14:32
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Codependent Poster posted:A big part of Danny Rand's character is he's a spoiled rich white kid who is viewed as an outsider and told that he doesn't belong in the places he frequents most: K'un-Lun and Harlem. For whatever reason when I quickly glanced at this post I read it as Har'lem.
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Apr 30, 2015 14:34
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Codependent Poster posted:The point is there is already a character named Shang-Chi out there that Marvel can use, and changing Danny Rand's race is pointless because of Shang-Chi's existence. I guess you are right, there are so many Asian actors in the MCU as it is, it would be really unfair to take away one of the rare roles for a white actor. And yes, it's not going to happen, but that is a pint of criticism, not one of stolid reiteration.
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Apr 30, 2015 14:34
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Turning Danny Rand not-white like it's some sort of solution would just show that Marvel, like most of you, completely misses the point of what's wrong with his backstory.
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Apr 30, 2015 14:39
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Medullah posted:For whatever reason when I quickly glanced at this post I read it as Har'lem. The final heavenly city.
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Apr 30, 2015 14:39
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Aphrodite posted:Turning Danny Rand not-white like it's some sort of solution would just show that Marvel, like most of you, completely misses the point of what's wrong with his backstory. It is not about a solution to anything, it's that insisting he can't be anything but a white guy because of backstory reasons is a bullshit.
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Apr 30, 2015 14:43
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There's something neat to be done with someone who looks like a spoiled rich white guy, but actually grew up a minority in rural magic Asia. But I haven't seen that aspect really used, and if they aren't going to do anything with his race then they can pick any race. Have they said who's playing Fat Cobra?
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Apr 30, 2015 15:15
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StumblyWumbly posted:Have they said who's playing Fat Cobra? Kevin James
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Apr 30, 2015 15:17
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StumblyWumbly posted:There's something neat to be done with someone who looks like a spoiled rich white guy, but actually grew up a minority in rural magic Asia. But I haven't seen that aspect really used, and if they aren't going to do anything with his race then they can pick any race. They haven't even cast the lead yet how would they have said who's playing Fat Cobra? Or if Fat Cobra is even going to be in the show?
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Apr 30, 2015 15:28
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I really, really hope they adapt the Fraction/Bru stuff. The "Enter the Dragon" stucture is very easy to build a compelling narrative around.
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zoux posted:I really, really hope they adapt the Fraction/Bru stuff. The "Enter the Dragon" stucture is very easy to build a compelling narrative around. Man, you are straight out of a comic book.
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Apr 30, 2015 16:05
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Asians: Only one included. Use sparingly.
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Apr 30, 2015 16:10
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jscolon2.0 posted:Man, you are straight out of a comic book. Which one?
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Apr 30, 2015 16:11
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Hakkesshu posted:If they really wanted to do something different they should cast a woman as Iron Fist, because man, erudite millionairess turning into kung fu master has literally never been done before to my knowledge. Chloe Bennett already has a role in the MCU 
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Apr 30, 2015 18:31
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Maybe they will adapt Psylocke's storyline but replace her character with Danny Rand. Then everyone can be happy.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:42
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Aphrodite posted:Turning Danny Rand not-white like it's some sort of solution would just show that Marvel, like most of you, completely misses the point of what's wrong with his backstory. Actually, let me rephrase: who cares? Nerds are great at picking nits with this shite so long as it results in the same old lily white status quo. It'd be great if their spergish compulsions resulted in better representation instead, no matter what point it misses. Codependent Poster posted:The point is there is already a character named Shang-Chi out there that Marvel can use, and changing Danny Rand's race is pointless because of Shang-Chi's existence.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:19
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Sorry, are you actually phrasing that as if you're not at the top of that mountain?
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Apr 30, 2015 20:24
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I'm phrasing it as if I don't care.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:26
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Danny Rand is like the only white guy in heroes for hire. He's the token character to keep it from looking like the marvel ghetto where they shove the minority characters to forget about.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:31
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i kinda wonder if "hey, let's make Iron Fist Asian! Asian people are good at martial arts, right?" might not actually be all that progressive
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Apr 30, 2015 20:34
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SirDan3k posted:Danny Rand is like the only white guy in heroes for hire. He's the token character to keep it from looking like the marvel ghetto where they shove the minority characters to forget about. The point of Heroes for Hire is that how well two different people (black guy living in the ghetto/spoiled rich white guy) can be best friends and work together and show that despite their differences they can actually be a team. Getting rid of something that progressive for something else seems like a step backwards.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:37
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:i kinda wonder if "hey, let's make Iron Fist Asian! Asian people are good at martial arts, right?" might not actually be all that progressive I'm actually pretty sick of every Asian in comics being a ninja of some kind, but I'd like more Asian representation in film/tv/whatever. If we could get some that aren't ninjas it'd be rad, but I'll take anything at this point.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:41
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So is it more progressive to cast JJ as a black woman or to keep her white and in an interracial relationship with a black man?
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:i kinda wonder if "hey, let's make Iron Fist Asian! Asian people are good at martial arts, right?" might not actually be all that progressive It's not so much "Asian people are good at martial arts." A litany of MCU character are good at martial arts (and let's just take a moment right now to reiterate that they're all white martial artists, barring two characters specifically created for a TV show). It's more "This entire setting, corner, and mythos that the Iron Fist franchise is about to bring into the MCU is steeped from head to toe in Orientalism and fantasy Asian elements, but the leading hero has gotta be white. As usual."
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BrianWilly posted:As someone mentioned earlier, by this logic we should make Shang-Chi white. i think you're operating under a definition of "logic" different than the one i'm familiar with
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Apr 30, 2015 20:53
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You're saying that an Asian character being good at martial arts is stereotypical and thereby offensive. Shang-Chi is an Asian character who is good at martial arts. Why are the folks who are so very concerned about Asian kung fu stereotypes not the least bit concerned about his race?
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BrianWilly posted:You're saying that an Asian character being good at martial arts is stereotypical and thereby offensive. Shang-Chi is an Asian character who is good at martial arts. Why are the folks who are so very concerned about Asian kung fu stereotypes not the least bit concerned about his race? because Shang Chi is a character who has always been Asian, which is different then looking at a character and going "i dunno, a white martial artist? we should probably change him to an Asian dude, that makes more sense"
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Apr 30, 2015 21:04
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But the whole point is that a character always being a race is not a good reason for us to keep them as that race for no good reason. This is why it's utterly bloody fantastic that they changed the Mandarin's background for IM3. And literally no one has said that second thing. Not a single person.
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BrianWilly posted:But the whole point is that a character always being a race is not a good reason for us to keep them as that race for no good reason. look man i just don't think a white Shang Chi is a great idea, call me crazy
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Apr 30, 2015 21:10
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And some folks don't think a white Danny Rand is a good idea. Glad we agree.
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Madkal posted:The point of Heroes for Hire is that how well two different people (black guy living in the ghetto/spoiled rich white guy) can be best friends and work together and show that despite their differences they can actually be a team. Getting rid of something that progressive for something else seems like a step backwards. 
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Apr 30, 2015 21:14
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BrianWilly posted:Glad we agree. don't worry, we don't
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Changing Rand to Asian isn't about making more sense. I haven't seen any real argument for that point. All I have ever seen is some form of argument that perhaps the story of a great white "chosen one-esque" type character to a mystical Asian kung fu people, who also excels greater at their own ways than most of them do, isn't the most progressive story we could be telling in 2015. It's a tired trope, kind of born out of a time when people didn't care about representing minorities properly in fiction, being made at a time when we are finally seeing greater diversity in casting.
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