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semper wifi posted:While I think knife restrictions are all stupid and a waste of time, it's illegal to carry a switchblade almost everywhere How does doing something illegal justify an execution without trial? Putz.
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quote:"I was watching Erin's show last night, and I was livid," she told him. "I have to say, you’re a leader. And so many people have said, don’t say it in rap, don’t say it so loosely, don’t assume you can say it because you’re one color and another color can’t." City Councilman Carl "Countin' Dollas" Stokes, called out on his hip-hop career, explains that "thug" has poor flow.
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Apr 30, 2015 15:32
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The Councilman should take it up with Obama, who also called the rioters thugs. Guess the president is racist too.
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Apr 30, 2015 15:39
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White people need to take back the n-word since clearly black people can't be responsible with it.
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tsa posted:The Councilman should take it up with Obama, who also called the rioters thugs. Guess the president is racist too. Chris Rock said "You know what I hate? Niggers." Therefore, anyone who says "You know what I hate? Niggers," can't be a racist. This is like logic 101: Context matters.
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mlmp08 posted:Well, he did do something criminal, but it sounds like everything criminal he did was only discovered after the police started to arrest him for gently caress knows what reason. Fleeing isn't illegal, but after the cops decided to arrest him anyway, resisting is, even if the arrest is bogus. And then of course they found that he possessed a knife he shouldn't have. It was a Catch-22 the whole time. Freddie Grey had a large number of arrests on his record, many of which never ended in charges being applied, and less than half of the charges he faced ever saw a conviction. With how often he had been arrested on little to no reason, it's pretty drat likely that he would have panicked just upon seeing the police. As it turns out, he was absolutely right to fear them because complying perfectly and letting himself get arrested could easily result in him literally being killed from blunt force trauma. He had the choice to either run and get caught and beaten to death or comply and maybe have a lower chance of getting beaten to death. But unless he was a really fast runner, he had basically no option that didn't have a possibility in not ending with his spine severed and larynx crushed.
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semper wifi posted:What about obviously fleeing from the police, though? It's not "fleeing from the police" to run away when you see some cops patrolling around, that's absurd and would not hold up in court at all. It would be fleeing if they were trying to arrest you and you ran away. semper wifi posted:Lil Freddie, poor baby was only 25. Just a little kid, just making those little kiddie mistakes like carrying a switchblade around and selling drugs. He could've been an astronaut or a secret agent when he grew up! And big Mike, little guy was just learning to commit strong arm robberies and assault 5 foot nothing convenience store clerks when those mean ol police cut him down for no reason. Hands up! So you think arresting people for having switchblades and low level drug crimes is a good use of police resources? Do you think the drug war is a good policy? I've broken various drug laws before and am technically breaking weapons laws too simply by owning guns while being a drug user, many of my middle class white friends have as well. What is the difference between us and him that makes him a monster, the fact that he's poor and black and therefor wasn't able to avoid being caught? MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Apr 30, 2015 16:38
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MaxxBot posted:So you think arresting people for having switchblades and low level drug crimes is a good use of police resources? Do you think the drug war is a good policy? By federal standards he didn't have a switchblade. Even by Baltimore standards, I guess, since the police report called it a "spring assisted, one hand opening knife." The statute is basically bullshit and vaguely worded with the intent of making it easier to stop and arrest people for no good reason. Second page of that article compares the rates at which white people get arrested when they have such knifes (35%) versus black and hispanic people (56%). So yeah, even that "having a switchblade" stuff is bullshit. TGLT fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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The baltimore police basically created the conditions for the riots:"Eyewitnesses: The Baltimore Riots Didn't Start the Way You Think posted:Shortly before noon, the department issued a statement saying it had "received credible information that members of various gangs…have entered into a partnership to 'take-out' law enforcement officers."
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Asian businesses targeted in Baltimore I heard this on NPR this morning, sorry no transcript. Looters are targeting asian-owned businesses and leaving black-owned businesses alone. The worst part is a 24 year old saying it was justified to target Asian businesses because one wouldn't lend him a shirt for a week until he got paid. The second worst part is an exchange between a customer and a convenience store worker. Customer: Got any cigars? Worker: (strained) I told you before, they took everything. Customer: See? That's why they took everything! Worker: (Starts to cry}
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Untagged posted:Starting salary of a BPD Officer is $43K. That is one detective, out of 3100 sworn officers. That detective pretty much worked 6+ days a week and a lot of OT. It's not a good bellwether of the entire department. The pay is why BPD routinely looses their officers to other area departments on a pretty consistent basis. Pre-overtime pay for a standard line police officer is 61 to 67k per year. That alone is double the average salary in baltimore and almost 20k more thanvthe median household income. Even without ot, that is pretty darn good for a job that doesn't require a B.A. I bet every cop in Baltimore makes more than a teacher with the same years of experence. Overtime, which virtually everyone gets, bumps that up even more. Note that OT can be manipulated and doesn't require actually working over 40hrs. Many contracts pay OT for any hour over 8 per day, regardless of the amount worked. When I was a prosecutor, our police union contract required that the city pay 4 hours OT minimum for any court time. If the case settled and the cop was only there for 15 minutes? 4 hours OT. When I settled a case quick, the cops loving loved me. There are some smaller departments where police are underpaid, but there are just as many where the police get paid very well. In California, the police officer (and bailiffs) tend to be the best paid people in the courtroom. In the county where I worked as a PD, we had very well paid cops, a low col for CA, and a huge number of brutality issues. So the meme of "well, the cops are so underpaid that we just can't hire the best" is bullshit. Even when we pay them six figures, abuse still occurs.
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What word is next after thug on the euphemism treadmill?
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Miltank posted:What word is next after thug on the euphemism treadmill? Ungratefuls
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Miltank posted:What word is next after thug on the euphemism treadmill? That's as far as it will go. Everybody just posts in Ebonics and posts pictures that make blacks look like animals if they wish to go further but not be technically racist. That is never racist nor disturbing in any way. Just common American decency.
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For context: when the ferguson pd got ahold of some advantageous info on mike brown, they baited the press with a conference releasing ofc wilsons name....and then handed out a surprise book report complete with color photos showing a convenience store robbery he mightve been involved in...that they confirmed Wilson didn't even know about. Keep that in mind when Baltimore PD is leaking advantageous info via an anonymous inmate. If they were serious at all about the "he mangled himself!" there would be deputies walking through the streets like town criers announcing the second coming of jesus. The idea that any person, much less a news source, took that as true on its face is really lame. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Apart from, well, "being black in Baltimore", which is apparently an arrestable offense. The riots are about it being, seemingly, a capital offense.
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Nonsense posted:That's as far as it will go. Everybody just posts in Ebonics and posts pictures that make blacks look like animals if they wish to go further but not be technically racist. Surely "hoodlum" hasn't gone out of style among the out of touch?
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Punk, even!
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Woozy posted:Surely "hoodlum" hasn't gone out of style among the out of touch? Nope, seen a poo poo ton of that word being used. By young folk, no less.
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Woozy posted:Punk, even! Punk, like pirate, has ended up with too much popular press and self-identification among the whites to be an effective language weapon.
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I'm sure this has been talked about already, but in this latest version of the events (him breaking his own neck inside the police van), is there any police-ok reason why they arrested him in the first place, or is it still "he ran so we knew he was bad"?
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Samurai Sanders posted:I'm sure this has been talked about already, but in this latest version of the events (him breaking his own neck inside the police van), is there any police-ok reason why they arrested him in the first place, or is it still "he ran so we knew he was bad"? Give them a few more days, they'll come up with something.
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Justice Department will get involved, and find nothing wrong hopefully because I'd hate for any policy to have been skirted in this administrative crisis!
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Samurai Sanders posted:I'm sure this has been talked about already, but in this latest version of the events (him breaking his own neck inside the police van), is there any police-ok reason why they arrested him in the first place, or is it still "he ran so we knew he was bad"? Still waiting for the autopsy to be finialized, so to base what happened around that.
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WBAL is reporting they already had previous statements from a police commish Anthony Batts who said the 2nd passenger said freddie gray was "mostly quiet" and that there was no erratic driving.
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^^^^ What he saidhappyhippy posted:Still waiting for the autopsy to be finialized, so to base what happened around that. A local Baltimore investigative reporter says that the "he broke his own back" theory contradicts earlier reporting and statements by police. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/04/30/baltimore-reporter-disputes-details-of-leaked-p/203482 Spun Dog fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Apr 30, 2015 18:50
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Hey do you remember that time in Ferguson when whether or not Wilson knew anything about the robbery seemed to change with the time of day? Well I've been investigating, and it turns out cops are actually time walkers so these things are just in constant flux and that's to be expected. Maybe tomorrow they'll go back in time to pick up that second prisoner much sooner so he can be witness to the full extent of Freddie Gray's self destructive suicide lust.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/freddie-gray-timeline-revealed-police-hand-investigation/story?id=30700008quote:Baltimore police announced today that newly obtained security camera footage showed the police van transporting Freddie Gray made a previously unknown stop on the day he was arrested.
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Miltank posted:What word is next after thug on the euphemism treadmill? savages
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Baltimore police handed over their report to the prosecutor a day early. At the moment the information has yet to be publicly revealed, but it'll likely be "We dunno what happened, he just slammed himself against the walls because he's a crazy
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This may already have been obvious to everyone but someone on twitter pointed out that the police bicycle is on the back of Freddie Gray's legs here.
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semper wifi posted:let... victims of police violence completely off the hook Do you read what you write Anyway, apparently that prisoner who reportedly said that Gray broke his own neck was the last prisoner to be loaded onto the van, AFTER the stop where Gray was found lying on the floor of the van. And the same prisoner was previously reported as saying the ride was quiet and uneventful. Just to sum up, an unnamed source that's totally within the police says that a prisoner, who cannot be reached for confirmation, who was loaded into the van well after Freddie had been found battered on the floor, and who could not see Freddie, totally said that a man who could not sit or stand had hurled himself against the walls with such force that he broke his own neck and shattered his own larynx. That new cam footage of an previously unknown stop sounds like a more promising lead. Since it was from a private security cam, I wonder if it's worth hoping that it might find its way to the press when the state's attorney declines to indict.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:http://abcnews.go.com/US/freddie-gray-timeline-revealed-police-hand-investigation/story?id=30700008 Yeah, that does not look good for the cops. They'd better have a drat good explanation for that unreported stop.
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I'm betting it was a frantic stop at a hobby lobby asking if they had any brown colored super glue that works on skin and bone
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Cichlid the Loach posted:Anyway, apparently that prisoner who reportedly said that Gray broke his own neck was the last prisoner to be loaded onto the van, AFTER the stop where Gray was found lying on the floor of the van. And the same prisoner was previously reported as saying the ride was quiet and uneventful. Just to sum up, an unnamed source that's totally within the police says that a prisoner, who cannot be reached for confirmation, who was loaded into the van well after Freddie had been found battered on the floor, and who could not see Freddie, totally said that a man who could not sit or stand had hurled himself against the walls with such force that he broke his own neck and shattered his own larynx. Not only is that prisoner anonymous, he's not even quoted directly in his own words, it's the police interrogator's version of what he said.
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Zwabu posted:Not only is that prisoner anonymous, he's not even quoted directly in his own words, it's the police interrogator's version of what he said. Very good point, I'd been pondering that as well. It'd be pretty easy to ask some leading questions and get him to acknowledge it was possible the sounds he heard could have been him banging around then completely twist it into that.
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Samurai Sanders posted:I'm sure this has been talked about already, but in this latest version of the events (him breaking his own neck inside the police van), is there any police-ok reason why they arrested him in the first place, or is it still "he ran so we knew he was bad"? Something about a pocket knife blah blah, had it coming for running, broke his own spine stuff. chitoryu12 posted:Baltimore police handed over their report to the prosecutor a day early. I still love the "breaking his own back theory" is actually being taken seriously. I mean come the gently caress on. How god drat desperate are people to justify police doing this poo poo without consequences? America might as well start training their cops to be Judges so that they can dispense life or death justice on the streets and be done with it. Agrajag fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Agrajag posted:Something about a pocket knife blah blah, had it coming for running, broke his own spine stuff. I posted this in another thread, but this isn't the first time BPD has broken someone's neck in the back of a police van and claimed he did it himself: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html#page=1 quote:The most sensational case in Baltimore involved Johnson, a 43-year-old plumber who was arrested for public urination. He was handcuffed and placed in a transport van in good health. He emerged a quadriplegic.
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Anyone that believes the self spine breaking story is either a massive idiot, incredibly racist, or both. There is possibly like a 0.0001% chance he did break his own back but if that's the story you believe over the much more likely one that he was murdered you are one of those two things.
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Radish posted:Anyone that believes the self spine breaking story is either a massive idiot, incredibly racist, or both. There is possibly like a 0.0001% chance he did break his own back but if that's the story you believe over the much more likely one that he was murdered you are one of those two things. There is no way a handcuffed shackled man could generate enough force to break a vertebra like that, not without an assist from the drivers.
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