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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There is no way a handcuffed shackled man could generate enough force to break a vertebra like that, not without an assist from the drivers. Exactly. Anyone that believes that is really obviously reaching and its shameful we have people in the media like Geraldo trying to propagate it.
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Radish posted:Anyone that believes the self spine breaking story is either a massive idiot, incredibly racist, or both. There is possibly like a 0.0001% chance he did break his own back but if that's the story you believe over the much more likely one that he was murdered you are one of those two things. Hush you, physics and the human body don't matter in my judgement of this thug!
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Apr 30, 2015 20:21
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An 18 year old was filmed smashing a cop car window. His parents told him to do the right thing and turn himself in, and he did. They set his bail at 500k and he could be looking at life in prison (but more likely, 4 to 8 years). #AllCarsMatter http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/04/balt_teen_encouraged_to_turn_self_in_by_parents_held_on_500_000_bail_faces.html
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But you see, examiner's report on his teeth show that he didn't drink his milk to making his spine weak. It's really his fault for not eating a balanced, organic diet.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:21
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Miltank posted:What word is next after thug on the euphemism treadmill? if reddit is anything to go by, they spend 10 minutes thinking about it until another youtube video appears for them to get riled up over and valiantly take back the word
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Apr 30, 2015 20:22
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Bullfrog posted:An 18 year old was filmed smashing a cop car window. His parents told him to do the right thing and turn himself in, and he did. Those parents are idiots.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:23
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I really appreciate the use of language that gives us 'the investigation has revealed a previously unknown stop', implying that the van it some sort of independent entity they had to track and study, instead of being driven by BPD officers. Who, I guess, lied about how they rough-rode the guy until someone realized they were caught on tape.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:24
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Whenever police do anything bad it's reported in the passive voice as if people and dogs just kill themselves when police walk by.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:25
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Radish posted:Those parents are idiots. The step father seems to know how things work "Go turn yourself in or the cops will break down that door and possibly shoot your family members"
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Apr 30, 2015 20:26
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hobbesmaster posted:The step father seems to know how things work "Go turn yourself in or the cops will break down that door and possibly shoot your family members" Fair enough.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:27
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Radish posted:Whenever police do anything bad it's reported in the passive voice as if people and dogs just kill themselves when police walk by. They tow madness in their wake. Horrible, horrible.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:29
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Radish posted:Anyone that believes the self spine breaking story is either a massive idiot, incredibly racist, or both. There is possibly like a 0.0001% chance he did break his own back but if that's the story you believe over the much more likely one that he was murdered you are one of those two things. I have a hard time believing that anyone sincerely believes this theory. It seems obvious to me that its just the excuse people who always wanted to vindicate the police were waiting for. I heard Hannity saying "I'll reserve judgment... but cops are great and Gray had a record" for days and then the WaPo story ran and he basically did a celebration dance saying "See? I reserved judgement and now we have proof the cops are innocent. Now everyone who doubted them and me apologize and kiss my feet." Its transparent but I suppose if you live in the Fox News/Conservative bubble maybe it works.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:29
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The passive voice the media uses in reference to police incidents is the most insidious poo poo.
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Bullfrog posted:An 18 year old was filmed smashing a cop car window. His parents told him to do the right thing and turn himself in, and he did. This reminds me of that story about the kid who was learning about how drugs were bad in school. He went home and saw that his parents had weed. Thinking he would help them he told the cops. Both of his parents were arrested, lost their jobs, can't find new jobs, and now that kid is screwed. Moral of the story: Don't snitch.
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Radish posted:Whenever police do anything bad it's reported in the passive voice as if people and dogs just kill themselves when police walk by. My favorite one was from a report, I don't remember which incident it was, that said the suspect struggled or whatever, "at which point an officer-involved shooting occurred." Verbatim. drat these free-floating officer-involved shootings, spontaneously coalescing on top of these fine upstanding officers!
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Apr 30, 2015 20:32
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That $500,000 bail is particularly galling when Bates was set at $25,000. I guess this does give us a clear metric on the perceived values of lives vs. police car windows, though.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:37
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What confuses me, I think, is that if Freddie Gray had the raw physical strength to break his own back while handcuffed and confined in a moving vehicle, how was this superhuman mutant apprehended in the first place? Hell, why was he even in Balitmore and not living the highlife somewhere else, making a handsome living with his feats of herculean strength in World's Strongest Man competitions? Maybe his unique talents only manifested in moment's of great need, such as when he was forced to kill himself rather than face the dishonor of a sham trial. How mysterious.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:38
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That extra stop that no one knew happened may be construed as police checking on their prisoner and then attempting to revive him, thus clearing themselves of the negligent homicide charges. Prosecutors would never have filed a reckless homicide charge anyway. They're gonna say that he killed himself and no one can prove differently because the police and prosecutor have literally spent a week figuring out a foolproof plan.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:51
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the baltimore police is literally nelson muntz telling freddy gray to stop hitting himself
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Apr 30, 2015 20:51
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Cichlid the Loach posted:My favorite one was from a report, I don't remember which incident it was, that said the suspect struggled or whatever, "at which point an officer-involved shooting occurred." Verbatim. drat these free-floating officer-involved shootings, spontaneously coalescing on top of these fine upstanding officers! Remember cop that assaulted the MTA employee on the subway? That was a pretty stark before and after on the descriptors.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:51
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STAC Goat posted:I have a hard time believing that anyone sincerely believes this theory. It seems obvious to me that its just the excuse people who always wanted to vindicate the police were waiting for. I heard Hannity saying "I'll reserve judgment... but cops are great and Gray had a record" for days and then the WaPo story ran and he basically did a celebration dance saying "See? I reserved judgement and now we have proof the cops are innocent. Now everyone who doubted them and me apologize and kiss my feet." If I weren't working I'd dig some up, but there's been more than a few outside that Fox/Conservative bubble reporting it with maybe just a hint of skepticism thrown in. CNN, LA Times..maybe NBC? I forget which (at least as of this morning, maybe they updated since). It transcends well past the usual garbage news..not that some of those are always a whole lot better.
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hobbesmaster posted:The step father seems to know how things work "Go turn yourself in or the cops will break down that door and possibly shoot your family members" If you know what you are doing you go to a decent lawyer and then do whatever they say.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:If you know what you are doing you go to a decent lawyer and then do whatever they say. It's true, having means to afford legal representation and counsel improves your odds of not being disappeared into our penal system.
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Cichlid the Loach posted:My favorite one was from a report, I don't remember which incident it was, that said the suspect struggled or whatever, "at which point an officer-involved shooting occurred." Verbatim. drat these free-floating officer-involved shootings, spontaneously coalescing on top of these fine upstanding officers! I got that feeling in my bones, Billy. Lock up the dogs and tell yer sisters to get inside, there's an officer-involved shooting rolling in on the nor'wester.
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quote:The medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he was slammed into back of the police transport van and apparently broke his neck. Law enforcement sources also said Gray sustained a head injury that matches a bolt in the back of the police van, the affiliate reported. If substantiated by the released report, I wonder if the narrative will turn on how absurd it is that BPD would arrest someone just for looking at them and then be incompetent enough to kill him en route to booking, or if BPD will just run with the existing 'he killed himself' story. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/30/us-usa-police-baltimore-idUSKBN0NL1GO20150430
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Bullfrog posted:An 18 year old was filmed smashing a cop car window. His parents told him to do the right thing and turn himself in, and he did. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/30/baltimore-rioters-parents-500000-bail-allen-bullock Some other fun things: quote:Only one of the city’s four district courts was in operation on Wednesday, apparently due to security concerns, amid a logjam of dozens of people arrested during riots and protests in the past few days. Justice is blind 
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Bullfrog posted:An 18 year old was filmed smashing a cop car window. His parents told him to do the right thing and turn himself in, and he did. dumb loving parents. Never trust the justice system to rule in your favour unless you can afford a good lawyer. ^^^ At least the prisons will be getting a whole slew of new inmates to cash in on. CAPITALISM, gently caress yeah! Agrajag fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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How and why are public defenders funded, and what incentive (aside from reputation/professional pride) do they have to represent their clients well? The cynic in me says they're a powerless prop put in place so they can say the accused wasn't completely defenseless, akin to giving someone a dull pocketknife so you can say they were armed when 10 men gunned them down.
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Spun Dog posted:Remember cop that assaulted the MTA employee on the subway? That was a pretty stark before and after on the descriptors. Pretty much this entire incident was on camera, and the MTA union pitched a huge fit about it (as they should have), which probably helped get a fair take on the incident put out there. Also, since cops and transit personnel often have to work together to deal with unruly or indigent customers in the system, this sort of assault is a huge breach of trust. Transit workers in New York aren't really very otherized to the NYPD in most cases, so it's a very atypical case.
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Agrajag posted:dumb loving parents. Never trust the justice system to rule in your favour unless you can afford a good lawyer. If he were white and from a respected family, he'd be released on $1000 bail and given probation next month.
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chitoryu12 posted:If he were white and from a respected family, he'd be released on $1000 bail and given probation next month. I forget where I saw it but some news article posted:Roberts says those arrested will face charges including public intoxication and disorderly conduct, and will be arraigned as early as Monday. ohhh, right, Kentucky.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19NZdEfqGOs reposting.
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TwoQuestions posted:How and why are public defenders funded, and what incentive (aside from reputation/professional pride) do they have to represent their clients well? I know a few (some that actually worked in Baltimore) and they definitely are trying to do their job well.
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grah posted:Pretty much this entire incident was on camera, and the MTA union pitched a huge fit about it (as they should have), which probably helped get a fair take on the incident put out there. Also, since cops and transit personnel often have to work together to deal with unruly or indigent customers in the system, this sort of assault is a huge breach of trust. Transit workers in New York aren't really very otherized to the NYPD in most cases, so it's a very atypical case. I was trying to point out how the media changed their description of the incident once they found out it was a cop. Initial reports were about how a Huge Thug/Hulking Brute assaulted the MTA employee. After it was determined he was a cop, passive voice took over and there were a bunch of "allegedly's" thrown around.
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The highwater mark for parents putting their own kids into the system has to be the guy who planted drugs in his kids truck to teach him a lesson...who then got the "kids for cash" judge.....who sent him to juvy....where he befriended a bunch of gangsters and criminals and eventually killed himself. My favorite part of the whole stupid thing was that the dad was doing it so his sons high school drinking wouldn't screw up his college wrestling scholarship....which is basically a drinking scholarship as far as I know. I'm on my phone but if you google the dads name, kenzakoski, and "planted drugs" you can find it.
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Spun Dog posted:I was trying to point out how the media changed their description of the incident once they found out it was a cop. Initial reports were about how a Huge Thug/Hulking Brute assaulted the MTA employee. After it was determined he was a cop, passive voice took over and there were a bunch of "allegedly's" thrown around. Oh my bad, I thought you were presenting it as a counterexample to how police are portrayed. I misread you totally, my bad!
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grah posted:Oh my bad, I thought you were presenting it as a counterexample to how police are portrayed. I misread you totally, my bad! No problem, it wasn't a very detailed post.
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Spun Dog posted:I was trying to point out how the media changed their description of the incident once they found out it was a cop. Initial reports were about how a Huge Thug/Hulking Brute assaulted the MTA employee. After it was determined he was a cop, passive voice took over and there were a bunch of "allegedly's" thrown around. Violating the "don't read the comments" rule was usually good for a laugh (or for chewing on the business end of a gun). On the "thug viciously attacks MTA worker" articles, tons of comments about how this guy is a horrible human being for attacking a government employee and he needs to be found immediately and locked away forever. On the "MTA employee allegedly assaulted by Police Officer" ones, the comments tended to veer towards "MTA bitch must have done something stupid to make a Real Cop do that". Not surprising, though. It seems rather common to think about a situation in the most negative light for the perpetrator when it's a generic "person", but once it's someone with positive qualities ascribed to them (a friend, loved one, or someone in a respected position), suddenly the perpetrator must be falsely accused, and if not, they must have had a reason to do that. I've watched it happen between sentences, even: "A guy harassed a girl at an event I was at." "He should never be allowed to be there again, please tell me his name so I know to avoid him and let staff know about it." "Uh, OK, it's this guy." "Wait, I know him. That doesn't sound like him. Maybe he had an off day. Did your friend contact him later to find out why he was acting like that? Maybe she said something that set him off." Even with the same facts, once the person committing the offense is no longer Other, everything turns upside-down and maybe the victim was at fault after all.
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Spun Dog posted:I was trying to point out how the media changed their description of the incident once they found out it was a cop. Initial reports were about how a Huge Thug/Hulking Brute assaulted the MTA employee. After it was determined he was a cop, passive voice took over and there were a bunch of "allegedly's" thrown around. 
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