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Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

Lysidas posted:

my car plays mp3s on a usb drive in directory order, not lexicographical order, so i always copy stuff to it with rsync since it sorts file and directory lists before copying to make sure e.g. track 2 comes after track 1

cp and most gui copy things copy in directory order

this is correct in my humble opinion OP that it should it read the files in the order in which they appear in the directory

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Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
take id3 tags and poo poo and throw them in the loving dumpster. a filename is enough for me. ya. go and pull down the album art for the cover flow. or wait - how about NOT!

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
let me janitor the id3 data or the metadata or whatever the gently caress instead of just having a good filename or idk some peice of software that analyzed the waveform or whatever and pulls it down that way if your particular brand of autism requires it. listen to the radio. gently caress off

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Lysidas posted:

my car has a 2-digit LCD display for the folder number and 3 digits for the track

i copy whole albums so i have never had more than ~30 tracks in a single folder, but i have about 160 folders

everything works correctly above 100, it just doesnt display any leading digits that dont fit

despite probably being a Linux my car has an OK user interface

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
I just load my songs into my ipod with itunes

pram
Jun 10, 2001
i have an ipod from 2009 thats been sitting in my glovebox the entire time. it works great, no issues. thanks for listening!

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
my cars head unit is some hosed up jap garbage. its really bad and I wish I had Microsoft sync instead.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Shaggar posted:

my cars head unit is some hosed up jap garbage. its really bad and I wish I had Microsoft sync instead.

then you can be certain it plays for sure

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
"haha theres 5 miles of horizontal space here but we will only allow 10 characters to be used! finally revenge on the round eye menace!"

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

Shaggar posted:

"haha theres 5 miles of horizontal space here but we will only allow 10 characters to be used! finally revenge on the round eye menace!"

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Shaggar posted:

"haha theres 5 miles of horizontal space here but we will only allow 10 characters to be used! finally revenge on the round eye menace!"

whoa there

pram
Jun 10, 2001

Shaggar posted:

"haha theres 5 miles of horizontal space here but we will only allow 10 characters to be used! finally revenge on the round eye menace!"

lol

Forums Terrorist
Dec 8, 2011

things that shaggar hates: oses that aren't windows, langs that aren't java/c#, methods of transport that aren't cars, people that aren't white

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
I don't hate non-whites. idk where you're getting that from.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
I hate the specific people who made the Honda head unit software. that they are Japanese is not relevant to my hatred of them, but by their clear disregard for the English language they are very likely anti-American.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Shaggar posted:

I don't hate non-whites. idk where you're getting that from.


Shaggar posted:

my cars head unit is some hosed up jap garbage. its really bad and I wish I had Microsoft sync instead.


Shaggar posted:

my cars head unit is some hosed up jap garbage.


Shaggar posted:

hosed up jap garbage.


Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

ive always wondered if the vast difference between the written languages is responsible for what we perceive to be poo poo UI when it might be fine in japanese

nosl
Jan 17, 2015

CHIM, bitch!

Last Chance posted:

ive always wondered if the vast difference between the written languages is responsible for what we perceive to be poo poo UI when it might be fine in japanese

That is a fair point and I've never even thought of that before.

But I'm going to go with Japan (not people of the Japanese race, the culture of the country of Japan) likes lots of weird poo poo that is the complete opposite of what the entire rest of the world likes, and because they have such a unique culture that is known for not giving a gently caress about anyone else, they simply don't give a gently caress about anyone else as long as they can monetize and have bankrolls of ¥en.

Phoenixan
Jan 16, 2010

Just Keep Cool-idge

Last Chance posted:

ive always wondered if the vast difference between the written languages is responsible for what we perceive to be poo poo UI when it might be fine in japanese
japanese being read from right to left as opposed to left to right is a good place to start to account for a lot of what we see as weird bullshit

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Phoenixan posted:

japanese being read from right to left as opposed to left to right is a good place to start to account for a lot of what we see as weird bullshit

well it might be if it was true

horizontal right to left japanese essentially only happens on oldfashioned market signs and the other side of vans. not computer interfaces.

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Soricidus posted:

well it might be if it was true

horizontal right to left japanese essentially only happens on oldfashioned market signs and the other side of vans. not computer interfaces.

books are right to left, but in columns not lines.

it took a long time for computer peoples to figure out how to automate that kind of text layout reasonably.

true right to left languages are also completely hosed by most software, as are languages with complex spacing and ligature rules, so Arabic is doubly hosed. I bet Linux doesn't even try, just renders it as boxes.

(this is why Swift is right to not directly allow direct indexing into strings. that doesn't stop the "why can't I treat a string as an array of char?" questions of course.)

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
arabic looks fine on linux, in most typical scenarios. it doesn't fall down until you try to monospace it. arabic is not well-suited to monospace fonts.

good-ish:


oh god my eyes:

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

eschaton posted:

books are right to left, but in columns not lines.
yeah, that's why I specified horizontal. computer interfaces basically don't use vertical text. specialised typesetting software's been able to do it for ages, of course.

eschaton posted:

true right to left languages are also completely hosed by most software, as are languages with complex spacing and ligature rules, so Arabic is doubly hosed. I bet Linux doesn't even try, just renders it as boxes.
arabic text handling is the worst clusterfuck ever because it's literally bidirectional: regular text runs right to left, but numbers within that text still run left to right! As does any latin text mixed in with it, of course. and if you have an arabic paragraph that contains a latin sentence that contains an arabic word, you have a right-to-left segment embedded in a left-to-right segment embedded in a right-to-left segment. it's awful.

but wait, there's more! picture if you will an arabic paragraph that contains an embedded latin string. the user clicks at the left-hand end of the latin string, and then presses a key. where are they expecting the letter to appear? it depends! maybe they thought they were clicking at the start of the latin string, or maybe they thought they were clicking at the start of the arabic string that follows it!

and there's even more! suppose you have an arabic sentence with a number in it. the user places the cursor at one end of the sentence, and then holds down a cursor key to move it. where does it go when it hits the number? does it go through the digits in the visual order or in the logical reading order?

the surprising thing is that linux actually handles all this pretty well. as well as anything does, honestly. it can move through the text in visual or logical order and it can display multiple cursors to indicate where the next character typed will appear depending on if it's a ltr or rtl character. it isn't even slavishly copying windows, windows is pretty bad at arabic. i don't know how macs handle it, maybe linux is copying that instead.

eschaton posted:

(this is why Swift is right to not directly allow direct indexing into strings. that doesn't stop the "why can't I treat a string as an array of char?" questions of course.)
no, that's to do with combining characters. arabic strings aren't too bad, they're simply defined in logical order - the nth character in the string is the nth character a native arabic reader would look at in the text. then you use the unicode bidi algorithm to rearrange the glyphs for display, which is where everything gets hosed up but you have a library to do that for you and you never have to touch the output except to paint it to the screen.

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Shaggar posted:

my cars head unit is some hosed up jap garbage. its really bad and I wish I had Microsoft sync instead.

ive had a bunch of rental fords that used microsoft sync and i eventually gave up and just turned the volume on my phone way up and let it play thru the speakers while sitting on the center console

Athas
Aug 6, 2007

fuck that joker

Soricidus posted:

arabic text handling is the worst clusterfuck ever because it's literally bidirectional: regular text runs right to left, but numbers within that text still run left to right!

No, numbers in Arabic are right-to-left, but little-endian. It was always like this - this is why they are called Arabic numerals. If anything, it is the western languages that messed it up when these numerals were imported in the middles ages, since little-endian is supposedly easier to read. Blame 500 year old mathematicians for forgetting to convert from the network byte order.

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Athas posted:

No, numbers in Arabic are right-to-left, but little-endian. It was always like this - this is why they are called Arabic numerals. If anything, it is the western languages that messed it up when these numerals were imported in the middles ages, since little-endian is supposedly easier to read. Blame 500 year old mathematicians for forgetting to convert from the network byte order.

wrong.

try it: switch to arabic input and type a number. observe how the first digit you typed goes on the left and the last digit on the right, because the number is being laid out left to right. this is not poo poo anyone would put up with if it wasn't how the language works.

you may be being misled by the fact that for 2-digit numbers, the arabic way is to say like "nine and sixty" instead of "sixty-nine". but that only holds for 2-digit numbers, 420 is literally "four hundred and twenty", big-endian, just like in english.

Soricidus fucked around with this message at 00:13 on May 1, 2015

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
http://www.sabily.org/website/

don't forget that muslim linux exists and by the looks of it supports arabic

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
linux handles this using HarfBuzz and Pango, ya

well, GTK does, idk what poo poo Qt has to solve this problem

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Mr Dog posted:

linux handles this using HarfBuzz and Pango, ya

well, GTK does, idk what poo poo Qt has to solve this problem

yeah, all bets are off as soon as you start mixing programs that run on different toolkits, it's the usual linux problem.

of course it's not purely a linux problem. i'm on windows right now (sorry!) and it looks like in internet explorer, the cursor keys move through arabic text back to front (right arrow moves cursor left), but in firefox it's the other way round. it's a totally inconsistent user experience. i'm glad i'm not an arab because it must suck pretty bad having to deal with this stuff all day every day.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Mr Dog posted:

linux handles this using HarfBuzz and Pango, ya

well, GTK does, idk what poo poo Qt has to solve this problem

harfbuzz is used by both qt and pango

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Lysidas posted:

cp and most gui copy things copy in directory order

cp should work in argument order (shell expansion of * is lex order I believe). I don't think cp directory iteration in the case of recursion is ordered?

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Smythe posted:

this is correct in my humble opinion OP that it should it read the files in the order in which they appear in the directory

the directory's natural sort order may well not be by modification, it would be pretty unpredictable if it just used dirent order or whatever: on some filesystems IIRC deleting one file could reorder the other entries.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

fritz posted:

ive had a bunch of rental fords that used microsoft sync and i eventually gave up and just turned the volume on my phone way up and let it play thru the speakers while sitting on the center console

theres a couple of different versions and some of them are really bad and others are pretty good.

shitface
Nov 23, 2006

Shaggar posted:

theres a couple of different versions and some of them are really bad and others are pretty good.

mine works really well now but you have to some weirde dance when pairing at first or it won't acknowledge any functionality over Bluetooth other than the phone. I knew I should be be able to play pandora and spotify over bt but it just would not work until I found some forum post somewhere that gave the recipe.

it's just the basic sync, not the mytouch thingy but touchscreens in several tons of high speed metal is loving dumb anyway

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Shaggar posted:

theres a couple of different versions and some of them are really bad and others are pretty goodjust bad.

Zombywuf
Mar 29, 2008

Phoenixan posted:

japanese being read from right to left as opposed to left to right is a good place to start to account for a lot of what we see as weird bullshit

that and they think pile of poo is a letter

Byde
Apr 15, 2013

by Lowtax
"the worst thing about systemd is that you can't install cd burning software without it"

-Certain members of the Linux community

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

Byde posted:

"the worst thing about systemd is that you can't install cd burning software without it"

-Certain members of the Linux community

people still burn CDs?

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
i couldnt get any ubuntu dvd authoring software to work in the ASUS ROG monstrosity i inherited so not even systemd could save me i guess

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Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Sniep posted:

people still burn CDs?

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