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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Here's my buddy's ahh, 'tournament report' you could call it, from the pro tour. It's different and I think it says a lot about our community:
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Soo....howbout them Magic Origins spoilers, huh? What about those things? When are they coming out?
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May 1, 2015 01:10
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uruloki posted:We have found the Ur-Goon. There is almost nothing redeeming about that article, the amount of self-loathing is a critical mass of wtf. If you can't laugh at: 'I yelled, “Come on, Patrick, you’ve beaten tougher charges!” and no one turned around, no one laughed. It was in this moment that I understood why Rob had said, after his first PT, “I don’t want to be anything like those people.' then I don't know what to say.  But yeah, article seemed a little, how shall we say, salty.
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May 1, 2015 01:12
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The fact that the background gets more and more intense as you scroll down really adds to the experience.
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May 1, 2015 01:24
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Its not trying to be funny it's trying to be insightful and thought provoking. And unsurprisingly falls short of both.
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May 1, 2015 01:35
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Truly, the worst people are those that don't laugh at my jokes.
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May 1, 2015 01:45
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Dungeon Ecology posted:Soo....howbout them Magic Origins spoilers, huh? What about those things? When are they coming out? Probably a couple of weeks after Modern Masters 2015 edition is released.
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May 1, 2015 01:46
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:How is it a mess? It's exactly like today except creature subtypes can go on all card types? You can't have arcane creatures because arcane is not a creature type. That's true today and no one complains. Maybe it will be more clear if I state it from the top. The subtype lists exist but in practice are not needed for anything except MODO because you can infer what each subtype is from any card it appears on. If I look at a card and it says Sorcery - Arcane, I know Arcane is not a creature subtype. If I open a hypothetical Sorcery - Blahblah, how do I know whether Blahblah is a creature type or not?
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May 1, 2015 01:49
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That Pro Tour report was embarrassing. Guy had nothing but utter contempt for everyone around him yet every interaction he described seemed completely cordial. He then realizes everyone is the worst when no one laughs at a terrible joke he yelled into the crowd. Why did I keep reading. 
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May 1, 2015 02:02
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I think I like the intent of the blog post and the main point but it was obfuscated by the weird love-hate thing. I gave it a cursory look and skimmed until I saw something interesting, read a few lines, then keep going. Saw children's card game, not wanting to become like those people, just enjoying the PT trip as just a trip, playing with friends for the sake of hanging out with friends and not the game. etc. which was all chill and good. Correct me if I'm wrong about what it was really about.
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May 1, 2015 02:18
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Tribal seems like a lot of effort for not that much payoff, ultimately. Like it is funny that you can use some random-rear end spell instead of a dragon for Scorn, but it doesn't actually make sense at all. I guess the main thing it lets you do is Yugioh-style "when this card enters the battlefield add one 'HERO" card to your hand" but I don't think they even like printing those now.
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May 1, 2015 02:46
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Chill la Chill posted:I think I like the intent of the blog post and the main point but it was obfuscated by the weird love-hate thing. I gave it a cursory look and skimmed until I saw something interesting, read a few lines, then keep going. Saw children's card game, not wanting to become like those people, just enjoying the PT trip as just a trip, playing with friends for the sake of hanging out with friends and not the game. etc. which was all chill and good. Correct me if I'm wrong about what it was really about. Thats about what I got out it. The game is fun but there are things about which suck. Wizards could be doing to lot more to make the game and experience a lot better.
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May 1, 2015 03:26
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The last time we had this conversation, I remember someone posting a theoretical mock-up of a card if Wizards decided to start from scratch with all the basic mechanics and evergreen keywords based on an interview with MaRo. Like, it has Instant as a subtype, preventing the necessitating of Flash, and I think mana costs were represented a little differently.
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May 1, 2015 03:35
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AlternateNu posted:The last time we had this conversation, I remember someone posting a theoretical mock-up of a card if Wizards decided to start from scratch with all the basic mechanics and evergreen keywords based on an interview with MaRo. A lot about those mock-ups was really loving ugly too though. Like for everything they might have done well they made something else worse. E; found them: 
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May 1, 2015 03:37
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Here's my buddy's ahh, 'tournament report' you could call it, from the pro tour. It's different and I think it says a lot about our community: Are you sure this isn't you and not a friend? Whoever this person is they loving blow. They are the garbage personality type that always seem to figure out ways to have a bad time. Their lack of preparation is always because they are too busy to "care" and everyone else always seems to find a way be terrible.
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May 1, 2015 03:53
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Cernunnos posted:A lot about those mock-ups was really loving ugly too though. If wizards was able to start magic over from scratch, I don't think they would print jtms. e: there's also quite a few problems with this. How do you make a legendary creature with flash. Why are only some permanent card marked as such? Dr. Stab fucked around with this message at 04:03 on May 1, 2015 |
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May 1, 2015 03:57
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Cernunnos posted:A lot about those mock-ups was really loving ugly too though. Yeah, it has the problem a lot of alternate universe/future card frames do where they change a bunch of poo poo around just for the sake of showing off change. Future Sight is sort of the same way.
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May 1, 2015 04:01
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why do lands and enchantments say permenant on them but planeswalkers and creatures don't?!?!
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May 1, 2015 04:05
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JerryLee posted:Yeah, it has the problem a lot of alternate universe/future card frames do where they change a bunch of poo poo around just for the sake of showing off change. Future Sight is sort of the same way. Most of the changes to these cards are functional. The idea is that they're changing things that aren't worth the cost of changing, but have a minor benefit. e: the only really bad things about these cards is how they use the "splay-zone" in a willy-nilly fashion. I imagine an actual designed implementation would be more reserved and not split the type line into two separate places. Dr. Stab fucked around with this message at 04:08 on May 1, 2015 |
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May 1, 2015 04:05
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Dr. Stab posted:e: there's also quite a few problems with this. How do you make a legendary creature with flash. Look at Feral Invocation. It would just be Instant Legendary instead of Instant Aura. Except the two different typing icons stacked on top of each other look clunky since the Instant one is nearly eating its way into the art, but the concept is there.
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May 1, 2015 04:10
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If you're going to reimagine Magic from scratch, the back of the cards is in much more dire need of a redesign than the fronts.
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May 1, 2015 04:13
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Those mock ups are fine. They use good lessons from newer board game designs that are easier to use and read. My only criticism is they are way too dark. Print shouldn't be on black backgrounds. Look at RFTG and Dominion.
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May 1, 2015 04:21
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Those mockups are awful. The whole "permanent/non-permanent" thing literally takes up more surface area than the type line, which is far more important. The "instant" and "legendary" monikers are tiny and difficult to see, and are again, very important. The P/T is way more busy, they figured out all the way back in Portal that adding the shield and sword was more of a detriment than a good thing even for new players. On top of all that, they look ugly and lopsided as hell.
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May 1, 2015 04:31
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Angry Grimace posted:According to MTGO, the answer is yes, a Tribal Enchantment animated by Opalescence does in fact gain the Tribal type as its creature type: Now it's ready for Ashnod's Transmogrant.
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May 1, 2015 04:41
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Now it's ready for Ashnod's Transmogrant. Shroud. 
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May 1, 2015 04:46
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To be honest, the actual pro tour experience is not that much fun, that part did resonate with me. Everyone is stressed and not really having much fun.
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May 1, 2015 04:47
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Wezlar posted:why do lands and enchantments say permenant on them but planeswalkers and creatures don't?!?! Babies struggle with object permanence and marketing shows that they play a lot of creatures and planeswalkers but never more than 20 lands.
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May 1, 2015 04:49
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those mock ups are close to a series of test prints they did http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/839
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May 1, 2015 05:05
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anotherblownsave posted:I just found this thread. I've been playing magic since I was 8 years old. (Ice age) I took about 6 years off and just got back into things about a month ago. I've focused mostly on commander since getting back into it. I'm trying to teach my fiance but so far no luck. Any advice for teaching a total newbie? For me its all second nature and I'm not a very patient teacher unfortunately Ask her if there is a specific creature type she likes. Beginning player tend to be drawn to tribal decks. I built a casual fairies deck for my girlfriend and she loves it.
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May 1, 2015 06:56
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White lifegain and angels. Then throw something in there like Felidar Sovereign or Serra Avatar.
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May 1, 2015 07:04
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Lol. "Girls like angels and faeries, right?" Urgh. I would look to her personality type. Is she agressive and like to play recklessly? Then make her a red burn deck. That sort of thing. Also your friendly local gamestore may have free 30 card sample decks from WoTC you could try.
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May 1, 2015 08:22
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Girls, boys, men and women of all ages love tribal Wall decks
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May 1, 2015 08:28
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born on a buy you posted:those mock ups are close to a series of test prints they did http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/839 Hypothetically, would those mock ups be tournament legal? I ask because 'reasons'.
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May 1, 2015 08:41
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remigious posted:Lol. "Girls like angels and faeries, right?" Urgh. I would look to her personality type. Is she agressive and like to play recklessly? Then make her a red burn deck. That sort of thing. Also your friendly local gamestore may have free 30 card sample decks from WoTC you could try. This right here. I tried for a solid year to get my girlfriend into Magic with various cat/angel/soldier tribal decks and none of it resonated with her. She just really liked turning dudes sideways for big damage so I made her a R/G aggro deck and she fell in love with it. Bloodbraid elf, Giantbaiting, Boggart Ram Gang and a slew of aggressive one drops with a couple Boartusk Liege to top it off. Complete 180 from the white based decks I was making her but it was what finally made Magic click for her.
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May 1, 2015 08:48
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2MB posted:This right here. I tried for a solid year to get my girlfriend into Magic with various cat/angel/soldier tribal decks and none of it resonated with her. She just really liked turning dudes sideways for big damage so I made her a R/G aggro deck and she fell in love with it. Bloodbraid elf, Giantbaiting, Boggart Ram Gang and a slew of aggressive one drops with a couple Boartusk Liege to top it off. Complete 180 from the white based decks I was making her but it was what finally made Magic click for her.  Magic is fun when you win, and lovely theme decks just aren't fun to play because you can't win with them!
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May 1, 2015 09:05
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Cernunnos posted:A lot about those mock-ups was really loving ugly too though.  They show off some bits that would be good (I like the mana cost, Instant as a supertype would be a godsend), but they're far from perfect. 2MB posted:Hypothetically, would those mock ups be tournament legal? I ask because 'reasons'. They probably don't have the proper Magic back, to start with. If they do, then it's an odd situation, and I don't think anyone short of Matt Tabak or someone like that can give you a definitive 100% answer.
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May 1, 2015 09:12
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ZoMBiePiGGy posted:Ask her if there is a specific creature type she likes. Beginning player tend to be drawn to tribal decks. I built a casual fairies deck for my girlfriend and she loves it. I built a casual mono-black vampires deck for my girlfriend and she absolutely loves playing with it. She's even started flashing it out with hard-to-find printings and foils. (Eg foil phyrexian obliterators (only non-vampire card in the deck), and beta/FTV: 20 dark rituals, FNM promos....) It helps that I made a werewolf deck that's around the same power level and we just use them as duel decks every once in a while.
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May 1, 2015 09:20
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Here's my buddy's ahh, 'tournament report' you could call it, from the pro tour. It's different and I think it says a lot about our community: I read the whole thing with an open mind, and frankly your friend just sounds miserable and/or his lovely experience can be explained away almost entirely with "posted lovely results with a poo poo deck" (which, to his credit, he hints at as a possibility). The vast majority of negative things he had to say about his PT experience had little or nothing to do with "our community" and everything to do with Brussels, his annoying friends, his bad luck, or himself.
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May 1, 2015 10:40
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Mezzanon posted:I built a casual mono-black vampires deck for my girlfriend and she absolutely loves playing with it. She's even started flashing it out with hard-to-find printings and foils. (Eg foil phyrexian obliterators (only non-vampire card in the deck), and beta/FTV: 20 dark rituals, FNM promos....) My partner got interested for the short time I was playing Standard (towards the end of INN/RTR) so I built her that standard's RDW deck (the one that topped out with Hellrider) and she loved it. Usually did better than my Grixis control homebrew too I keep meaning to put together an R/x commander or tiny leader deck, I'll get around to it eventually.
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MiddleEastBeast posted:I read the whole thing with an open mind, and frankly your friend just sounds miserable and/or his lovely experience can be explained away almost entirely with "posted lovely results with a poo poo deck" (which, to his credit, he hints at as a possibility). The vast majority of negative things he had to say about his PT experience had little or nothing to do with "our community" and everything to do with Brussels, his annoying friends, his bad luck, or himself. It seems more like his opinion was that a lot of this stuff was specifically local to the Pro Tour. He picked a deck because it was playing alright in testing and seemed fun, but that's not how you pick a deck on the Pro Tour. His friends were lovely and stressed and so was he, because they were at all times either testing or playing Magic even when they had traveled internationally. No one else is very interested in making friends and spending time with new people in new places for the same reason; Magic came first, to the point that one guy flew in morning-of and had to leave sunday night so he could get back to work. Plenty of Pro Players don't want to talk to you because they've already got their friends and you're just a fan. Some other problems with the game itself come out through the article. Testing is impossible on modo a lot of the time and players testing with teams will always have a massive advantage. Lots of players just don't have access to much of the game because it costs money (and costs even more to play pro) while one guy talks about having a bunch of Tarmogoyfs laying around his apartment because nearly a grand isn't much to him. Wizards is so concerned with profit that at every step they're trying to squeeze it out, even from the elite few they consider pro players, which ends up costing them on their presentation, on their players being stressed because tournament have to be completely done in paper on one weekend, prizes for even the pro tour aren't that big unless you're placing so well consistently that you're on the list of players that just get flown to every tournament for free (and even then it's hard work for not enough), and so on. The conclusions that he draws are that he doesn't regret the experience, but that really he enjoyed the travel through Europe more than he did being stressed about cards around people who were in the same place, and that while playing magic is fun even competitively, the Pro Tour really sucks and you would probably be better served skipping out on testing and PTs and just seeing a movie with your friends or whatever. That said, I read it on my phone and missed out on random chunks of it when I didn't feel like googling to figure out which thesaurus this guy was using in place of an editor 
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