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WAR FOOT posted:Clearly, all this time, Dave has been giving Karkat tips on how to court Dirk. That would be the funniest possible outcome here besides a polyandrous relationship involving Dave, Karkat, and the Mayor.
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May 1, 2015 07:06
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Dave posted:DAVE: vriska was most certainly alive during this one That sounds ominous.
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May 1, 2015 09:21
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Wait, when did Dave admit that Bro was an horrible parent?
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May 1, 2015 09:46
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paradoxGentleman posted:Wait, when did Dave admit that Bro was an horrible parent? DAVE: i never even stopped and thought about it before DAVE: the idea of what it would be like to have a mom DAVE: instead of a hyper-aggressive lunatic of an adult male guardian
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May 1, 2015 10:07
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Any day where fictional characters deconstruct hegemonic masculinity at length to the end of understanding and eradicating homophobia is a good day. Also, waiting until Sunday for the Roxy/Rose/Kanaya conversation will be unpleasant.
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May 1, 2015 10:22
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It's much better than that. Dave has accepted that Bro was a horrible parent, that Bro was a horrible role model, and that Dave gets to make up his own definition of (A) being a man and (B) being a hero. I thought at the beginning of the 4/22 updates that Dave had just given up on heroing; it's looking like, in fact, Dave gave up on being other people's definition of a hero and began creating his own. This owns because from what we know of Dirk, he was always going to do the things that seemed so masculine about Bro (really good at fighting, lovely swords, being a 90s coolkid, constant ironic detachment from emotion and at times reality) but these things don't change the fact that he's also extremely gay. Zoe posted:So through all those The entire point is that gay doesn't mean anything and we've been programmed to think about sexuality and romance in very specific ways. Gay doesn't really mean anything when you're on a spaceship with a bunch of members of an alien race and your sister, and the thought process that he's trying to get out is that maybe it never did because the only thing keeping us acting how we act is history and tradition. Fister Roboto posted:OK I am definitely not reading all these god drat words about inconsequential tumblr bullshit. Jesus loving christ Hussie. lmao why/how do you even read this if you're not insanely into gay shipping or whatever
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May 1, 2015 11:09
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I was just sitting there going drat Dave just get to the point just tell him you're gay. But then he says he isn't gay?
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May 1, 2015 11:11
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This update was pure strain gold. I love it. I especially love the meandering, self-questioning Dave we've been seeing since the meteor journey began turning his rambling thoughtfulness towards a productive end and actually seeming to make a lot of progress on himself. That's character development! I also forgot how much I loved John talking to people on a less urgent basis. Dude is funny.
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Autonomous Monster posted:So this was fun and all, but mostly it just put me in mind of a much funnier John/Dave/Karkat chat from the days of yore. It's not really fair to compare any log to this one, as it's one of the best in the comic.
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May 1, 2015 11:20
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Man, this update was great. Aranea really nailed Dave and Karkat and made them hilarious, insightful and mature. I hope she's as good at mind controlling all the other characters too.
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Not gonna lie I skipped over most of Dave's gender studies class Man, though, Karkat can dish it out but he sure can't take it w/r/t personal discussions
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May 1, 2015 16:27
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loquacius posted:Not gonna lie I skipped over most of Dave's gender studies class It just wasn't the same after you figured out you couldn't pick up hot girls there.
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May 1, 2015 16:30
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AriadneThread posted:Professor Strider's Gender and Sexuality Class My doctoral thesis will be 15 minutes of beatboxing.
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Who What Now posted:My doctoral thesis will be 15 minutes of beatboxing. Dr. Karkat will be evaluating your orals.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It just wasn't the same after you figured out you couldn't pick up hot girls there. I didn't really fit in, the rest of the class was all time-traveling Daves
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I think my favorite part of that conversation is when is Karkat hanging off the platform, until he hears John bring up his hangup with Terezi. Because I got the most vivid mental image of Karkat sitting back up onto the platform and beginning to lecture John in a single, smooth motion, like a cat springing on its prey.
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May 1, 2015 17:10
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JT Jag posted:I think my favorite part of that conversation is when is Karkat hanging off the platform, until he hears John bring up his hangup with Terezi. Because I got the most vivid mental image of Karkat sitting back up onto the platform and beginning to lecture John in a single, smooth motion, like a cat springing on its prey. stupid romance garbage is extremely his poo poo
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May 1, 2015 17:14
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I always was a bit put out that he never got to exercise that expertise more during Hivebent. I can't remember if the thing about Karkat aping Troll Will Smith in Troll Hitch rather than thresh prince actually happened or was a fancomic thing.
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JT Jag posted:I think my favorite part of that conversation is when is Karkat hanging off the platform, until he hears John bring up his hangup with Terezi. Because I got the most vivid mental image of Karkat sitting back up onto the platform and beginning to lecture John in a single, smooth motion, like a cat springing on its prey.  KARKAT: I HEARD YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT QUADRANTS, SO I DECIDED TO PAUSE MY TANTRUM.
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May 1, 2015 18:55
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Death Bot posted:The entire point is that gay doesn't mean anything and we've been programmed to think about sexuality and romance in very specific ways. Gay doesn't really mean anything when you're on a spaceship with a bunch of members of an alien race and your sister, and the thought process that he's trying to get out is that maybe it never did because the only thing keeping us acting how we act is history and tradition. Mystic Mongol posted:We use terms like gay or straight or bi to describe the incredibly complex and personal sexuality of wide swaths of the population, in a similar way to the way we use terms like nerd or hipster or jock to describe the personality and habits of groups. All well and good but this needs to go both ways. Before this is over I want Karkat to do some introspection of his own and hear him say out loud (well, shout, with lots of swearing...) that much like labels on human sexuality, the quadrants are meaningless bullshit that only unspeakable frothing dipshits obsess over. 
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This needs to be turned into an 1STH1SYOU, pronto.
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May 1, 2015 19:14
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Zoe posted:All well and good but this needs to go both ways. Before this is over I want Karkat to do some introspection of his own and hear him say out loud (well, shout, with lots of swearing...) that much like labels on human sexuality, the quadrants are meaningless bullshit that only unspeakable frothing dipshits obsess over. As summer turns to autumn, so future Karkat will turn on past Karkat.
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May 1, 2015 19:21
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Fucknag posted:
Oh my god I laughed so hard. Thank you for this.
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May 1, 2015 19:35
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Fucknag posted:
I think all those update pauses were worth it. This is incredible.
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I thought there was evidence with the Beforus trolls that the Quadrants really were bullshit social constructs? And there was that vagueness with the Disciple and the Sufferer's relationship. At the very least the idea that trolls operate only on pity and hate is probably bunk. Homestuck's up to its neck in relationship stuff now, so presumably whatever relationships persist to the end of the comic probably won't be constrained by traditional definitions - some of them involve aliens and humans, for a start. People elsewhere are wondering if Homestuck will be tackling other issues of gender and sexual identity while things are on their current roll. I don't recall if any trans issues were brought up by anyone. Some people seemed very keen on John rejecting relationships as a whole, either because they were concerned about everyone "having" to be in a relationship or as a matter of identity, but John and Roxy seem pretty likely at this point. It's actually a little interesting that for all the rest of Homestuck's relational diversity John seems to fit the more classical hero archetype complete with Getting The Girl.
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Dolash posted:I thought there was evidence with the Beforus trolls that the Quadrants really were bullshit social constructs? And there was that vagueness with the Disciple and the Sufferer's relationship. At the very least the idea that trolls operate only on pity and hate is probably bunk. Homestuck's up to its neck in relationship stuff now, so presumably whatever relationships persist to the end of the comic probably won't be constrained by traditional definitions - some of them involve aliens and humans, for a start. Nah, the Beforus stuff was pretty specifically "even in a world without Doc Scratch's intervention, trolls are pansexual bug aliens with a heinously complicated system of romance". The imperial drones and mandatory culling for non-breeders, those were gone, sure, but those are just fascist methods of control structured around an existing cultural biology. It would be kind of a copout if everything that made them alien was the product of an evil demiurge and trolls in their natural state were just exactly like humans. The pity and hate stuff, sure. Beforan customs seem to earmark those more as love and rivalry, but it's the same thing going on under the hood. Android Blues fucked around with this message at 20:02 on May 1, 2015 |
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Dolash posted:I thought there was evidence with the Beforus trolls that the Quadrants really were bullshit social constructs? And there was that vagueness with the Disciple and the Sufferer's relationship. At the very least the idea that trolls operate only on pity and hate is probably bunk. Homestuck's up to its neck in relationship stuff now, so presumably whatever relationships persist to the end of the comic probably won't be constrained by traditional definitions - some of them involve aliens and humans, for a start.
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Dolash posted:I don't recall if any trans issues were brought up by anyone. Well, if you want to look at it that way, the Cherubs transition back and forth.
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May 1, 2015 20:29
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Burger king kids club: gender and sexuality edition does not seem like the kind of thing Hussie would play seriously at all.
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May 1, 2015 20:34
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Paul.Power posted:John and Roxy are sort of the one token heroterosexual** romance in the book Is that when being a hero results in you stumbling across a love interest without trying?
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Zoe posted:Considering the relatively tiny group of individuals already with established personalities we're dealing with I don't think we're necessarily going to get examples of every single possible combination of social/gender/sexual/whatever issues. Homestuck is already basically Delany for teens, I'd not rule it out
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Paul.Power posted:John and Roxy are sort of the one token heroterosexual** romance in the book Also Mom (Rose's) and Dad (John's). Rose's Mom is sorta-kinda Roxy, but John's Dad is a mystery.
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Dolash posted:At the very least the idea that trolls operate only on pity and hate is probably bunk. I think that part, like a lot of early stuff we were introduced to, was when the trolls were meant to be more foreign and antagonistic than they later became. Much like "the troll word for friend is the same as for enemy", it comes from a time when the trolls were a lot more one-note. I don't know how much of the troll culture was planned from the beginning, but to me, it seems that they weren't originally meant to be as sympathetic and complicated as they later became.
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Dolash posted:I don't recall if any trans issues were brought up by anyone. Really hope they aren't at any point.
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