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Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

Party Plane Jones posted:

A Newark bound Dash 8 had to divert to Philadelphia because one of its engines caught fire.

http://avherald.com/h?article=48571dfc&opt=0, Not a good month for Republic lately

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Acid Reflux
Oct 18, 2004

Party Plane Jones posted:

A Newark bound Dash 8 had to divert to Philadelphia because one of its engines caught fire.

Dash 8 operating normally, continue to destination.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost
The BBC just posted a blurb about Airbus filing a complaint regarding US based industrial espionage. This should be interesting.

EDIT: Here's some more info.

quote:

Aviation giant Airbus is to file a criminal complaint over alleged US industrial espionage, following German media reports, AFP news agency says.

Leaks from a secret report by Germany's national intelligence agency, the BND, suggest it collected information on European firms at Washington's behest.

Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Apr 30, 2015

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

Solkanar512 posted:

The BBC just posted a blurb about Airbus filing a complaint regarding US based industrial espionage. This should be interesting.
This quote makes it seem a lot less nefarious:

quote:

Leaks from a secret BND document suggest that its monitoring station at Bad Aibling checked whether European companies were breaking trade embargos after a request from the NSA.

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

If any of you have ever been to Port Columbus, you may have seen the 94th Aero Squadron Restaurant located next to the fire station. I'd been passing it for years, even photographed the P-51 replica outside a few times, but I hadn't been inside until recently. There are a number of artifacts also displayed inside, including many, many photos, but of much interest to me were parts of a number of different, unidentifiable aircraft. So it's time for an edition of What Kind Of Airplane Did You Come From, because my attempts on another forum fell short on that mark.


The P-51 replica out front could use some work





My only guess at these is AA-1 Yankee parts.


This looks like it might have come off something slightly more exciting than your garden-variety GA bird.




Beech Bonanza Bits?


Not a clue on this; the markings and the fabric look fake, but the structure of it looks authentic.


The only identifiable piece, the right wing off of an Aeronca L-3 (O-58), helpfully labeled.

Plastic_Gargoyle fucked around with this message at 02:41 on May 1, 2015

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Plastic_Gargoyle posted:


Beech Bonanza Bits?

I can't recall ever seeing a picture or a illustration of a German plane from World War 2 where the Balkenkreuz was on the empennage.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Plinkey posted:

SR-71?

Also the X47B refueled on it's own a few days ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIRwsOG_AYQ

I know this is a few days old, but fuuuuck that. I wouldn't let an unmanned aerial vehicle get anywhere near me, unless they wired up a "breakaway" button in the boom pod.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Dead Reckoning posted:

I know this is a few days old, but fuuuuck that. I wouldn't let an unmanned aerial vehicle get anywhere near me, unless they wired up a "breakaway" button in the boom pod.

Airman, this drone program is vital to the future of Air Force combat and we can't risk the loss of such a valuable asset.

Now fly straight and level and let the nice killer robot plane dock with you.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Fucknag posted:

Airman, this drone program is vital to the future of Air Force combat and we can't risk the loss of such a valuable asset.

Now fly straight and level and let the nice killer robot plane dock with you.

(it's a Navy project)

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

pfft who cares about details about airplanes in the airplane thread

(replace airman with sailor i guess)

Forums Terrorist
Dec 8, 2011

Apparently Top Gun 2 is going to be Maverick versus a bunch of drones. If Iceman represents Mav's struggle with his own homosexuality, what do the drones represent?

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Jonny Nox posted:

(it's a Navy project)
Yeah, and the Navy doesn't have any tankers worth talking about.

Forums Terrorist posted:

Apparently Top Gun 2 is going to be Maverick versus a bunch of drones. If Iceman represents Mav's struggle with his own homosexuality, what do the drones represent?
How phallic are these drones?

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Dead Reckoning posted:

How phallic are these drones?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU-ur7PL9Vk

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Jonny Nox posted:

(it's a Navy project)
But the tanker probably isn't.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

evil_bunnY posted:

But the tanker probably isn't.

Would a hypothetical KC-2 variant of the Greyhound, when fully loaded with fuel for tanker duties, be too heavy for a catapult take-off?

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Cat Mattress posted:

Would a hypothetical KC-2 variant of the Greyhound, when fully loaded with fuel for tanker duties, be too heavy for a catapult take-off?

Fully loaded, it would weigh the same as it does when loaded with seamen jet engines and porn mags.

A pound of feathers weighs the same as a pound of JP-5.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


But a Greyhound-volume of porn does not weigh the same as a Greyhound-volume of JP

Which I think was more the gist of the question

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

simplefish posted:

But a Greyhound-volume of porn does not weigh the same as a Greyhound-volume of JP

Which I think was more the gist of the question

Tankers are not volumetrically full of fuel. The KC-10 and KC-135 both contain all of their additional tankage in the lower cargo deck, leaving the main deck empty.

It's extremely hard to fill an aircraft's internal volume with basically anything before you start to hit maximum gross weight.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


MrYenko posted:

Tankers are not volumetrically full of fuel. The KC-10 and KC-135 both contain all of their additional tankage in the lower cargo deck, leaving the main deck empty.

It's extremely hard to fill an aircraft's internal volume with basically anything before you start to hit maximum gross weight.

Then the question - and bearing in mind that it wasn't my question, so I am guessing - would seem to be along the lines of whether a useful amount of fuel could be carried in a Greyhound, if it is limited not by catapult launch weight limits but rather by maximum gross weight limits

(I don't mean to sound snippy, I'm not, in fact I'm learning - having never seen a tanker plane in person before - but I'm just trying to be clear. Thank you for taking the time to answer!)

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Just flew on a Dash 8 300. Felt stupid for booking a seat right in the prop plane of rotation, considering the gear collapse history. Felt stupid for feeling stupid for that. Then suddenly a knocking sound started. Haven't heard it before. Sounds like a gremlin that wants to be let in. Any idea what it is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUGRA46Gj2w

It seemed to vary with power setting, some sort of resonance or something. It was there all through the takeoff for instance, but only now and then in cruise. The gremlin doesn't like it when the engines are working hard I guess.

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid

simplefish posted:

Then the question - and bearing in mind that it wasn't my question, so I am guessing - would seem to be along the lines of whether a useful amount of fuel could be carried in a Greyhound, if it is limited not by catapult launch weight limits but rather by maximum gross weight limits

(I don't mean to sound snippy, I'm not, in fact I'm learning - having never seen a tanker plane in person before - but I'm just trying to be clear. Thank you for taking the time to answer!)

The C-2 doesn't carry much in the way of weight. This was discussed in the TFR cold war/airpower thread; there's probably enough gas for two Hornets.

The Marines have developed a tanker system for V-22s that rolls in and out of the cargo door. The Navy is switching to the V-22 for COD by 2022. Perhaps those will be used for refueling. V-22s can carry about as much weight as a C-2, 10 tons or so.

SybilVimes
Oct 29, 2011

Ola posted:

Just flew on a Dash 8 300. Felt stupid for booking a seat right in the prop plane of rotation, considering the gear collapse history. Felt stupid for feeling stupid for that. Then suddenly a knocking sound started. Haven't heard it before. Sounds like a gremlin that wants to be let in. Any idea what it is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUGRA46Gj2w

It seemed to vary with power setting, some sort of resonance or something. It was there all through the takeoff for instance, but only now and then in cruise. The gremlin doesn't like it when the engines are working hard I guess.

That sounds more like some idiot that fell asleep in the cargo hold

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck

simplefish posted:

Then the question - and bearing in mind that it wasn't my question, so I am guessing - would seem to be along the lines of whether a useful amount of fuel could be carried in a Greyhound, if it is limited not by catapult launch weight limits but rather by maximum gross weight limits

(I don't mean to sound snippy, I'm not, in fact I'm learning - having never seen a tanker plane in person before - but I'm just trying to be clear. Thank you for taking the time to answer!)

My bet is on maximum take off weight being the limiter, not the catapult.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Remember to reboot your 787 daily!

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/01/boeing-787-dreamliners-contain-a-potentially-catastrophic-software-bug/

quote:

"This AD was prompted by the determination that a Model 787 airplane that has been powered continuously for 248 days can lose all alternating current (AC) electrical power due to the generator control units (GCUs) simultaneously going into failsafe mode," the memo stated. "This condition is caused by a software counter internal to the GCUs that will overflow after 248 days of continuous power. We are issuing this AD to prevent loss of all AC electrical power, which could result in loss of control of the airplane."

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer
Whoops! Software bug can cause 787 Dreamliners to completely lose all AC electrical power.

quote:

The memo went on to say that Dreamliners have four main GCUs associated with the engine mounted generators. If all of them were powered up at the same time, "after 248 days of continuous power, all four GCUs will go into failsafe mode at the same time, resulting in a loss of all AC electrical power regardless of flight phase."

Everything is okay if the GCUs aren't left on for 8 months at a time so don't forget to restart your aircraft before you go home at night.

Edit: motherfucker!

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


What's amusing is it's the exact same type of bug that affected our Equallogic SAN. Int overflow after 248 days of continuous operation.

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Probably has to do with max (signed) int of 2,147,483,647 ~= 2,142,720,000 (ms in 284 days) which gives you about 4,763,647 ms or ~13.23 hours before an overflow.

Of course assuming the LSB is ms since boot.

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

Plinkey posted:

Probably has to do with max (signed) int of 2,147,483,647 ~= 2,142,720,000 (ms in 284 days) which gives you about 4,763,647 ms or ~13.23 hours before an overflow.

Of course assuming the LSB is ms since boot.

Heck of a coincidence if not, I was starting to do the math when I saw your post. Seconds go in 32 bit unsigned, milliseconds go in 64 bit unsigned people, jeez!

I guess I should have done the math, milliseconds per day in an unsigned 32 bit overflows at around 49.7 days, not 248.

E2: It's hundredths of a second in a signed 32. 248*24*60*60*100 ~= 2^31.

goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 20:44 on May 1, 2015

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

bitcoin bastard posted:

Heck of a coincidence if not, I was starting to do the math when I saw your post. Seconds go in 32 bit unsigned, milliseconds go in 64 bit unsigned people, jeez!

I guess I should have done the math, milliseconds per day in an unsigned 32 bit overflows at around 49.7 days, not 248.

It's probably one of those things that's never considered because the thinking would be 'who in the hell would leave the GCU on for > 3/4 of a year straight. I'll just use an int and be done with it.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Plinkey posted:

Probably has to do with max (signed) int of 2,147,483,647 ~= 2,142,720,000 (ms in 284 days) which gives you about 4,763,647 ms or ~13.23 hours before an overflow.

Of course assuming the LSB is ms since boot.

Yeah, in the case of our SAN, the bug was specifically with the uptime counter that counted in ms.

SybilVimes
Oct 29, 2011

Plinkey posted:

It's probably one of those things that's never considered because the thinking would be 'who in the hell would leave the GCU on for > 3/4 of a year straight. I'll just use an int and be done with it.

"It's ok though, well written and specified C++ is just as type safe as Ada"

I hope someone points at all those 'we don't NEED Ada' claims Boeing made when they announced they were using C++ for the Dreamliner...

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid
Ada is an awful language and anyone who uses it should be shot. No-one should be encouraging the use of Ada for anything. Also greater type safety won't save you from overflows.

Also an unsigned int would get typically get you to either 2^16-1 or 2^32-1 (it's implementation dependent) so someone was possibly using an 8 bit field. Which is odd. Might as well just use enough memory to get it word-aligned anyway.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Mortabis posted:

type safety won't save you from overflows.
They should brand that poo poo on nerds who keep making the mistake.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

evil_bunnY posted:

They should brand that poo poo on nerds who keep making the mistake.

Its not a mistake its a feature limitation.

Forums Terrorist
Dec 8, 2011

just force 128 bit numbers for everything, memory is cheap

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid
Nah, the issue with 128 bits is whether it will fit in one register.

Forums Terrorist
Dec 8, 2011

Make them bigger then. :colbert: Or failing that just do it anyway, 4 cycles per word isn't that bad

ctishman
Apr 26, 2005

Oh Giraffe you're havin' a laugh!

Forums Terrorist posted:

just force 128 bit numbers for everything, memory is cheap

*some time in the distant future, in a bunker far beneath the earth, the remnants of humanity hover about a turbine-powered electrical generator that has been the only thing keeping them alive for as long as anyone can remember*
[Zarblax]: Oh no! The Holy Dreamliner's generator has ceased to function! What do we dooooooo?
[Gazonks]: We die, in the dark, alone.
[Zarblax]: Hold me, my friend. Hold me and remember a time before the great 128-bit Buffer Overflow.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Plinkey posted:

It's probably one of those things that's never considered because the thinking would be 'who in the hell would leave the GCU on for > 3/4 of a year straight. I'll just use an int and be done with it.

And yet operators are given the very strong impression, direct from Boeing, that these aircraft Do Not Like being unpowered, and if you don't want to risk delay causing problems, keep them powered up at all times.

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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

ctishman posted:

*some time in the distant future, in a bunker far beneath the earth, the remnants of humanity hover about a turbine-powered electrical generator that has been the only thing keeping them alive for as long as anyone can remember*
[Zarblax]: Oh no! The Holy Dreamliner's generator has ceased to function! What do we dooooooo?
[Gazonks]: We die, in the dark, alone.
[Zarblax]: Hold me, my friend. Hold me and remember a time before the great 128-bit Buffer Overflow.

Known issues:
Proton decay may cause the failure of the unit after 1034 years.

Linedance posted:

And yet operators are given the very strong impression, direct from Boeing, that these aircraft Do Not Like being unpowered, and if you don't want to risk delay causing problems, keep them powered up at all times.

But it says that the generators would have to be running for that time, not the rest of the aircraft. So if the engines were off this wouldn't be an issue, right?

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