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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

quote:

Is there any relief charity operation for Nepal on Drivethrurpg?

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Saguaro PI
Mar 11, 2013

Totally legit tree
Not sure that's grog? In the past Drivethru has done charity bundles with all proceeds going to Doctors Without Borders for natural disasters in the past, the Haiti earthquake being the most prominent example.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
It struck me as "I cannot view charity except through the lens of this hobby"

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Saguaro PI posted:

Not sure that's grog? In the past Drivethru has done charity bundles with all proceeds going to Doctors Without Borders for natural disasters in the past, the Haiti earthquake being the most prominent example.
He's hoping for one of DT's "$400 worth of RPGs for a $20 charity donation" bundles instead of just sending $20 to the Red Cross or MSF. He sees the Nepal quake as an opportunity to score a bunch of RPGs on the cheap and not an enormous upwelling of human misery that he has a social obligation to help alleviate.

"Thousands dead overseas? Sweet! Should be some good charity deals coming along."

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Remember when goons only donated to hurricane victims to permaban one poster? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
In retrospect, that kind of made him a sorta jesus-like figure. He was vanquished from this world so others might live. Shitposter Christ- Superstar (stage wires replaced with heavy gauge line)

Mpoxsx
Aug 25, 2013
So when that dude wrote "bear world", do you think he used speech-to-text or laboriously typed it out one-handed while furiously stroking to his own satiric brilliance?

Christ, what an rear end in a top hat.

Libertad!
Oct 30, 2013

You can have the last word, but I'll have the last laugh!
Can we include video game RPG grog, pretty please?

quote:

There should be a toggle option to remove gay content from the game, except girl on girl, but only if the females are attractive. Leave it on by default, then allow players to turn it off if they want. Nothing should be forced. I'd rather not see those dialogue options in game. There is enough gay content on TV and in games, it's getting annoying. I'm not politically correct, I know this.

I'm all for gay content in game as long as I NEVER SEE ANY OF IT.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

Libertad! posted:

Can we include video game RPG grog, pretty please?

No, take it to Games, have a thread that exists for 5 pages before turning completely to poo poo, watch as it all burns down around you, and realize that video game-based grog.txt style threads are doomed to failure on a fundamental level.

paradoxGentleman
Dec 10, 2013

wheres the jester, I could do with some pointless nonsense right about now

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

No, take it to Games, have a thread that exists for 5 pages before turning completely to poo poo, watch as it all burns down around you, and realize that video game-based grog.txt style threads are doomed to failure on a fundamental level.

I have started my first forays into the non-LPs parts of Games and I think I understand what you mean, but I'd like to hear it anyways: why is that?

e X
Feb 23, 2013

cool but crude
More traffic.

MalcolmSheppard
Jun 24, 2012
MATTHEW 7:20

Kai Tave posted:

The fact that Kevin Sembieda's definition of "rules lawyer" probably includes "anyone who tries to hold him, the guy who plasters his name on every single Rifts book, to the rules he copy/pastes without playtesting and charges people money for and then can't even be bothered to use." Every single anecdote and story that anyone who's ever met and/or worked with Sembieda paints a picture of a massively passive-aggressive (and plain ol' aggressive), scummy, insufferable rear end in a top hat, so I'm hugely skeptical that the person being discussed actually deserved to be shat upon.

When I met someone who'd worked for Palladium they were plenty mad, but then I asked around and discovered that scuttlebutt is that he is absolutely above board with the terms of how he'll do business with you. The thing is, if you're choosing to do business with anyone under those terms maybe freelancing Is Not The Field For You. Some of the better known names didn't. Some of the lesser known names did, and have had remorse tantrums about it.

I'll tell you one thing: They pay for reprint rights. I can't think of a single other work for hire outfit that does that.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
Sorry, I don't think "he's an rear end in a top hat but he's up-front about it" (which isn't even true if the story of the freelancer who wrote that Palladium zombie apocalypse game is to be believed) actually excuses such behavior or makes it any better.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

paradoxGentleman posted:

I have started my first forays into the non-LPs parts of Games and I think I understand what you mean, but I'd like to hear it anyways: why is that?

Well grognards.txt is about tradgames, since it's in tradgames. Games is about video games.

If you mean about the thread crashing and burning, that's what's happened every other time that sort of thread started in Games. At least, I can't remember one that didn't melt on itself.

MalcolmSheppard
Jun 24, 2012
MATTHEW 7:20

Kai Tave posted:

Sorry, I don't think "he's an rear end in a top hat but he's up-front about it" (which isn't even true if the story of the freelancer who wrote that Palladium zombie apocalypse game is to be believed) actually excuses such behavior or makes it any better.

It's obviously better when you're told in clear terms what the contract you're signing means. If the terms are lousy you can in fact not sign the contract. I would never submit to the Rifter because it works out to maybe a penny or two a word and the payment formula and rights are wonky and subjective. As for Dead Reign, I wouldn't make any definitive statements about what went down with that, but I will say that I've seen heavy emergency rewrites and have never known them to happen out of envy. There's no money to be saved, either--time spent writing is time away from other business. So it reads like a couple of guys signed a poo poo contract knowing what it was, and the publisher didn't like the draft and exercised his expansive rights redoing it. This isn't an injustice. It's multiple people making bad decisions together.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

MalcolmSheppard posted:

This isn't an injustice. It's multiple people making bad decisions together.

Somethingawful.com

Saguaro PI
Mar 11, 2013

Totally legit tree

MalcolmSheppard posted:

It's multiple people making bad decisions together.

New thread title please, Ettin.

Ettin
Oct 2, 2010

Saguaro PI posted:

New thread title please, Ettin.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

FMguru posted:

He's hoping for one of DT's "$400 worth of RPGs for a $20 charity donation" bundles instead of just sending $20 to the Red Cross or MSF. He sees the Nepal quake as an opportunity to score a bunch of RPGs on the cheap and not an enormous upwelling of human misery that he has a social obligation to help alleviate.

"Thousands dead overseas? Sweet! Should be some good charity deals coming along."

I think that's a little much to assume from someone going "hey, thing that usually happens isn't happening right now, what's the deal."

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

MalcolmSheppard posted:

It's obviously better when you're told in clear terms what the contract you're signing means. If the terms are lousy you can in fact not sign the contract. I would never submit to the Rifter because it works out to maybe a penny or two a word and the payment formula and rights are wonky and subjective. As for Dead Reign, I wouldn't make any definitive statements about what went down with that, but I will say that I've seen heavy emergency rewrites and have never known them to happen out of envy. There's no money to be saved, either--time spent writing is time away from other business. So it reads like a couple of guys signed a poo poo contract knowing what it was, and the publisher didn't like the draft and exercised his expansive rights redoing it. This isn't an injustice. It's multiple people making bad decisions together.

Except according to the freelancer writing it Sembieda was full of nothing but gushing praise for what he was turning in riiiiiiiight up to the part where he did an abrupt about-face and suddenly it was unmitigated poo poo and now I'll have to rewrite this ugh, but out of the goodness of my heart I'll still pay you, oh, 70% of what I said I would.

And then when the book went to print the "emergency rewrites" were more along the lines of "Kevin Sembieda shoehorns some broken, dodgy rules poo poo where it didn't need to go and mysteriously leaves much of the writing he claimed was unacceptable alone, only with him now taking lead writing credit for it."

Sorry, I know you like to present yourself as the knowledgeable voice of reason with stuff like this but I stand by my assessment of Kevin Sembieda as a scummy, manipulative rear end in a top hat. Even beyond his business practices every anecdote I've heard from people encountering him at conventions or in games portrays him as hugely insufferable, as does Bill Coffin's recounting of his experiences working with the man, and while taken in isolation any of these things could be dismissed as one person's sour grapes or lopsided portrayal, taken together I'm not especially inclined to extend Sembieda the benefit of the doubt.

Dire Wombat
Oct 29, 2011

In this world, there is no truth. The truth is made later on and overwrites what comes before it. Real truth doesn't exist anywhere.

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Well grognards.txt is about tradgames, since it's in tradgames. Games is about video games.

If you mean about the thread crashing and burning, that's what's happened every other time that sort of thread started in Games. At least, I can't remember one that didn't melt on itself.

As opposed to grognards.txt and its unbroken, meltdown-free history, of course.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
Requiem for a DM

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Someone points out a DTRPG product with a Heavy Metal-style lady with tits out and apparently visible pubic hair, and that it's not tagged "Adult."

quote:

They are breasts, not boobies, and breasts are not adult material. Breasts are a perfectly natural part of women's bodies that have been needlessly sexualized until even saying the word seems to have become a taboo in many parts.

I was instantly reminded of this comic:

[Giant Sweden Against the World comic where lovely racist author Humon makes perhaps the most bland, least offensive point she's ever made about how American culture is hosed up about breasts.]

quote:

Meh, it shouldn't be a big deal.

Now one might say something about this being sexist and objectifying women, but I would argue that saying that women's bodies shouldn't be seen and need to be protected is also a way of objectifying and infantilizing them as well.

So best to treat it with the shoulder shrug it deserves, IMHO.

quote:

It's French, nothing to see here. Move along.

Insert some likely shitthatiddnthappen.txt about political correctness gone mad.

quote:

Of course you can say boobies, it just seems juvenile to the extreme. Instead of living by some taboo that you try to get around by using slang terms why not use the proper English word, breast? Referring to breasts as boobies is to me to partake in the kind of sexual fetishism of the natural that produce such unforgettable terms as FATAL's 'fuckstick' for penis, the vulgar 'oval office' for vagina etc.

quote:

Boobies is a slang word, and a synonym with a distinctly vulgar streak. I prefer accepted English terms over vulgarities. And finding humor in this kind of vulgarity is, to me, something associated with the juvenile. Security in maturity means readiness to use proper terms over disarmingly vulgar/humorous expressions designed to cope with an inability to handle the subject matter seriously.

quote:

Why does it need to be tagged? I understand that to some cultures the open display of breasts is vulgar/rude, but if you disregard that then why?

quote:

quote:

You know what I like between a nice pair of breasts? Goo. And cheese. Maybe some bacon. *drool* [<- a link to a picture of a KFC double-down]

I may misunderstand your intention, but I will assume that you are saying that breast is less precise than boob? As Max pointed out above the words are synonyms, so there is no real distinction in the technical definition of the term. Boob/boobies may more often be used on humans, yet I will go so far as to claim that if you are in a conversation, written or spoken, then the context of said discussion should make the distinction obvious without resorting to slang terms.

Beep boop I am an adult. BTW what if the titty witch riding the dick dragon is actually empowering? What then? It really makes you think *puts hand on chin, purses lips*

paradoxGentleman
Dec 10, 2013

wheres the jester, I could do with some pointless nonsense right about now

Unrelated, but I used to really like Humon when I was a teenager, before I sort of forgot about her. Now that I think about it, her comics were sort of racists, weren't there? I always assumed it wasn't that big of a deal because she is herself Scandinavian, but that's not really a justification.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

quote:

[Giant Sweden Against the World comic where lovely racist author Humon makes perhaps the most bland, least offensive point she's ever made about how American culture is hosed up about breasts.]

Is this a Hathor the Cow Goddess thing?

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

Scout Finch Bitch

Ronwayne posted:

Is this a Hathor the Cow Goddess thing?

No it's just a lady from an extremely culturally homogeneous country who likes to use her lovely comic to make sweeping and racist judgments against lots of other nations because they just can't be as cool as her rich, white, socialist enclave. Like half of her comics are just "Lol why is Finland/Wales/etc such a backwards crapsack country? Can't they just do what Sweden did and not gently caress sheep or something?"

Basically combine the whole "a hundred miles is a long way in Europe, a hundred years is a long time in America." lack of cross cultural knowledge and historical perspective that is common among ignorant people everywhere who think their country is the bestest country with the comedic style of a bad newspaper comic like BC or Ziggy.

LatwPIAT
Jun 6, 2011

paradoxGentleman posted:

Unrelated, but I used to really like Humon when I was a teenager, before I sort of forgot about her. Now that I think about it, her comics were sort of racists, weren't there? I always assumed it wasn't that big of a deal because she is herself Scandinavian, but that's not really a justification.

The stereotypes of the Scandinavian nations (Denmark, Norway, Sweden), is an extension of a kind of friendly barbs between the three nations that's common in humour in Scandinavia. It's no more serious than when Australians and New Zealanders call each other sheepfuckers - possibly even less mean-spirited. From a perspective of race relations, the Scandinavian nations are effectively the same (however, both Norway and Sweden have indigenous minorities in the Sami and Kven people, as well as other local ethno/linguistic minorities like the Sweden Finns), and from a Scandinavian perspective, it is absurd to call the friendly stereotypes "racism", since there's no element of race involved. Even from a linguistic and religious perspective, there is no animosity on the basis of language or religion, so even the wider concept of "racial" discrimination doesn't really exist between the Scandinavian countries. (As opposed to in the Scandinavian countries, where there's still that ugly legacy of the Sami cultural genocide to deal with, and the prejudice and xenophobia towards immigrant populations...)

That's not to say that Humon doesn't portray some really racist things (a quick Google search reveals a lot of complaints about her sexualization of black people and slavery), and she draws Japan in SatW in the most stereotypical manner possible, complete with perpetually squinting eyes, but the interactions between the Scandinavian countries are not it.

Rulebook Heavily
Sep 18, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

LatwPIAT posted:

The stereotypes of the Scandinavian nations (Denmark, Norway, Sweden), is an extension of a kind of friendly barbs between the three nations that's common in humour in Scandinavia. It's no more serious than when Australians and New Zealanders call each other sheepfuckers - possibly even less mean-spirited. From a perspective of race relations, the Scandinavian nations are effectively the same (however, both Norway and Sweden have indigenous minorities in the Sami and Kven people, as well as other local ethno/linguistic minorities like the Sweden Finns), and from a Scandinavian perspective, it is absurd to call the friendly stereotypes "racism", since there's no element of race involved. Even from a linguistic and religious perspective, there is no animosity on the basis of language or religion, so even the wider concept of "racial" discrimination doesn't really exist between the Scandinavian countries. (As opposed to in the Scandinavian countries, where there's still that ugly legacy of the Sami cultural genocide to deal with, and the prejudice and xenophobia towards immigrant populations...)

That's not to say that Humon doesn't portray some really racist things (a quick Google search reveals a lot of complaints about her sexualization of black people and slavery), and she draws Japan in SatW in the most stereotypical manner possible, complete with perpetually squinting eyes, but the interactions between the Scandinavian countries are not it.

Humon is Danish and makes fun of Danes a lot for being racist, and the artist kind of is too. Who knew how accurate it was? :v:

The Lore Bear
Jan 21, 2014

I don't know what to put here. Guys? GUYS?!
Not the groggiest grog, but..

Groggy With A Chance Of Rain posted:

I was looking through a couple of RPG books last night and several of them recommended the "failing forward" technique - where failing a task doesn't actually mean the task fails, just that an extra complication comes to light.

The problem came when I started looking at the examples of this, and at the example adventures those systems provided. Far too often, they contained sequences along these lines:

"The players must roll X to get a map of the fortress. If they succeed they get a map. If they critical they get a map with useful details marked on it which gives them a bonus on rolls to sneak in. If they fail they get a fake map which complicates the story and gives them a penalty on sneaking rolls."

"Then the players must roll Y to sneak into the fortress. If they succeed they get into the treasure room. If they critical they get into the treasure room and find some extra gold along the way. If they fail they get into the treasure room but alert the guards as they go which gives them a penalty on escaping."

"Then the players must roll Z to get out. If they succeed they get out. If they fail they still get out but are chased to the door by guards which will penalise them severely on future interactions with the Baron."

Spotted the problem yet? Each failure gives an disadvantage on future rolls, but since those rolls are fail-forward too, it never actually matters. I could call this Fail Forward Forever. It's not much fun to play because:
a) it's heavily railroaded;
b) after several failures, if a player departs from the railroad and makes a roll which doesn't have the "story critical" fail-forward protection, the accumulated penalties ruin it for them, meaning the only tactic for the players is to stay on the train;
c) after several failures, even if the players stay on the railroad, in the gameworld they are blundering around like idiots.

The problem is that to avoid Fail Forward Forever there must be some point when all these failures come home to roost and an action actually Fail-Fails. But where can that be? If it's a story critical action, the whole problem that Fail-Forward was introduced to solve comes right back. If it's a non-critical action, b) above kicks in. So what's the right balance for Fail Forward and a proper way of managing it?

I know it's possible to not get it harder, but it's definitely very "I'm mad at (thing)! Here's an example of (other thing)!"

Nihnoz
Aug 24, 2009

ararararararararararara
He's talking about the firefly RPG and the examples they use in particular there, so it's an entirely justified thread.

xiw
Sep 25, 2011

i wake up at night
night action madness nightmares
maybe i am scum

Cpig Haiku contest 2020 winner
http://rpg.stackexchange.com/a/51701

quote:

How can an aristocracy be perpetuated between creatures that can't interbreed?

quote:

Step 1: Get in good with the Green Hags.

Yah, this doesn't sound like a very good idea. Hags in general "are horrible creatures whose love of evil is equalled only by their ugliness" (Monster Manual, 2003). They also "may turn on their master if they see a chance to seize power for themselves" and "do evil for its own sake". So basically, by just considering this you've already lost your Paladin levels.

Fortunately for Our Hero, Green Hags are definitely the most attractive of the bunch (of the hags, that is), lacking both the Horrific Appearance (Ex) of the Sea Hag and the Rend (Ex) and Rake (Ex) abilities of the Annis (not to mention her 325 pound weight). Given the description, this means they must also be the least evil, not that that means you get your Paladin levels back.

The main issue at this step is that the hag or hags might just decide to kill and eat you or otherwise not cooperate in this whole procreating business. Assuming you (you are the prince) figure out some way either to woo yourself into a hag's actual good graces or temporarily defuse the various attempts she makes on your life, mind, soul and kingdom long enough to produce a child, we can continue. Like all hags, Green Hags can cast disguise self at will. They also have a 14 base Cha and a 12 base Dex.

Step 2: Raising Your Daughter

The child is a changeling. Changelings are clever and comely, good traits in future Princesses. They also aren't inherently evil, which is good if you still care about that. Changelings grow up fast, and hit adulthood at age 15, just like humans.

Step 3: Profit

If you talked your GM into letting you keep your paladin levels from before (or got an atonement), you're losing them now. Your daughter can definitely reproduce with the Bugbears, Halflings, Dwarves, Centaurs, and Locathah. ("Depending on the race of her father, a changeling can resemble any type of humanoid, including dwarves, gnomes, and even orcs and goblins.") She can probably reproduce with the Aranea (From Change Shape: "The first is a unique Small or Medium humanoid"). She might be able to reproduce with the Pixie, Cloaker, and Beholder, depending on your definition of 'man' ("When a hag of any sort conceives a child with a man, the result is a changeling").

Because her mother was a Green Hag, she even "gains a +2 racial bonus on Bluff checks against creatures that are sexually attracted to her".

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸
Dwarves are in the list of neighbours. Muls are a thing. Problem solved.

ShadowMar
Mar 2, 2010

HERE IS A
GRAVEYARD
OF YOU!


quote:

I read all about the game once I heard of this tragedy. yes it is a tragedy. The company is the iconic greek hero who falls to their own hubris. Their pride on being exclusively feminist has taken too much from them to make a game that can include everyone. It seemed like a cool role playing game but I cannot fund a corporation that goes against my ideals as a gamer. I will not impugn my honor to support a company that goes against it. Every where there is backlash if you take the fight against feminism. I try not to even bother starting a fight on a forum since you lose by default cause they will ban you. I tend to just fade out of the picture.

quote:

You know what this mean, people? Let's pirate the poo poo out of those books!

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
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What game system was that about? Was it Eclipse Phase? Because that'd be great, it is literally impossible to pirate Eclipse Phase.

ShadowMar
Mar 2, 2010

HERE IS A
GRAVEYARD
OF YOU!


Mors Rattus posted:

What game system was that about? Was it Eclipse Phase? Because that'd be great, it is literally impossible to pirate Eclipse Phase.
It was Eclipse Phase, yea.

paradoxGentleman
Dec 10, 2013

wheres the jester, I could do with some pointless nonsense right about now

How did they manage that? It is unspeakably hard to protect one's products from piracy in this day and age.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Wikipedia posted:

The Eclipse Phase roleplaying game was released under a Creative Commons license; the text found on the Eclipse Phase website is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License.[6] As stated on their website, the publishers encourage players and gamemasters to recreate, alter, and "remix" the material for non-commercial purposes. Further, copying and sharing the game's electronic versions is legal.

It's CC-by-NC-SA licensed, so you can freely distribute and share its electronic versions. Unless they're somehow stealing the actual physical books, you can't pirate the game.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
Walls of Text
#1 Builder
2014-2018

Yeah. It's not that you can't download it for free - you can. It's just that, uh, the guys who run the torrents of it, for example, are the guys who produce it. You can't pirate Eclipse Phase because they give it away.

Alien Rope Burn
Dec 5, 2004

I wanna be a saikyo HERO!

MalcolmSheppard posted:

When I met someone who'd worked for Palladium they were plenty mad, but then I asked around and discovered that scuttlebutt is that he is absolutely above board with the terms of how he'll do business with you. The thing is, if you're choosing to do business with anyone under those terms maybe freelancing Is Not The Field For You. Some of the better known names didn't. Some of the lesser known names did, and have had remorse tantrums about it.

Well, it's like the story of the scorpion and the frog, only in the end the scorpion stings the frog and says, "Well, you see, I was never contractually obligated not to sting you."

He's indeed up front about his contracts but he often plays football Lucy Van Pelt-style with freelancers, which goes partway to explaining why he often has trouble hanging on to writers.

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Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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quote:

Just wanted to share a bit of a revelation I had last night -- while reading Rites of the Blood (a fabulous book, so far, BTW), I was making a lot of connections to the Sabbat and the Islamic State. The nature of the two organizations seems to converge quite a bit -- and this is a good thing for me. I've always lamented the loss of the mystery and ruthlesness that was the Sabbat in 1e. Once they were defined, they lost some of their menace. However, if I can channel some of the horrors and mentality of the Islamic State into my version of the Sabbat, I think some of the alienness and nastiness returns.

Here's my thinking:

Organization that has painfully and hypocritically grown beyond its cult-like beginnings? Check.

Philosophy wholly incompatible with modern day politics and economics? Check.

Anti-establishment writ large? Check.

An appeal to a mystical/occult history with a strong reliance on a cult of personality towards the central religous figure? Check.

Religous police to enforce doctrine? Check.

Siege mentality leading to a reliance on violence and horror tactics to advance the cause? Check.

An accceptance of the most violent tactics? Check.

Both forcible recruitment as well as using subversive outreach to attract like-minded/sympathetic individuals into their violent process? Check.

A complete rejection of all other philosophies? Check.

An organization struggling with the transition from violent insurency to lurching governing body? Check.

...

Anyways, there it is. For anyone running a V:tM and looking for a way to make the Sabbat scarier, this might help. Utilize the Islamic State and all their depravities / goals and you might have something to really underscore how alien and vicious the Sabbat can be.

This is a thread that will go places.

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