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mdemone posted:Forums poster Boosted_C5 is still among us as Chris Christie. Unskewing polls was a great aka terrible trend in the last election.
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Rubio has a page on his site where you can vote on his best stump speech joke. 
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May 1, 2015 18:26
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Joementum posted:Rubio has a page on his site where you can vote on his best stump speech joke. Is he trying to be the most awkward candidate?
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May 1, 2015 18:28
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Is the Chris Christie bridge thing that happened today meaningful? Does anybody still care? Seems like having close associates roll over can't really count as a good thing. [edit] http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/05/bridgegate_bill_baroni_bridget_kelly_to_be_indicte.html
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May 1, 2015 18:34
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emfive posted:Is the Chris Christie bridge thing that happened today meaningful? Does anybody still care? 
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May 1, 2015 18:37
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If Hillary takes the presidency, the Republicans don't really have a choice other than move to the center, do they? It's either that or be marginalized forever.
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May 1, 2015 18:38
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John Dough posted:If Hillary takes the presidency, the Republicans don't really have a choice other than move to the center, do they? It's either that or be marginalized forever. please source your quotes from 2012
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May 1, 2015 18:40
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FOXDIE posted:Democrats haven't won the presidency after a two-term candidate but twice in all of the modern party's history, first when Van Buren succeeded Jackson, second when FDR won a third term. If you think a trend that has followed the Democratic Party for two centuries can be shrugged off, your political bubble is too dense for anyone to pop. Even if we accept your arguments that the 19th century Democratic Party is hugely relevant to the 2016 election - there's only been, like, what, four two-term Democratic Presidents? I make it Jackson, Wilson, FDR, and Clinton. So the Democrats actually won the presidency after a two-term candidate in fully 50% of the elections where that was possible. Literally your argument boils down to 2000 and Warren Harding. And I don't like Warren Harding much either, but that seems like a little too strong of a conclusion to draw from him winning. You're an idiot. emfive posted:Is the Chris Christie bridge thing that happened today meaningful? Does anybody still care? It's probably meaningful to something, but not really to the presidential primary, I don't think. Dude didn't have a chance anyway.
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May 1, 2015 18:41
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John Dough posted:If Hillary takes the presidency, the Republicans don't really have a choice other than move to the center, do they? It's either that or be marginalized forever. or continue to consolidate power on state levels?
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May 1, 2015 18:41
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John Dough posted:If Hillary takes the presidency, the Republicans don't really have a choice other than move to the center, do they? It's either that or be marginalized forever. I guess they could also hold onto Congress and force her to the center if she wants to get anything done. 
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May 1, 2015 18:42
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emfive posted:Is the Chris Christie bridge thing that happened today meaningful? Does anybody still care? So that's three now right? Perry, Walker and Christie - three potential republican candidates for president all under investigation by the federal government. Number four, McDonnell has already been sent to the pokey. All governors too, now that I think about it.
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May 1, 2015 18:53
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John Dough posted:If Hillary takes the presidency, the Republicans don't really have a choice other than move to the center, do they? It's either that or be marginalized forever. If you can have the presidency and one house of congress, or one house of congress and be dominant at the state level, you choose the second one every single time.
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May 1, 2015 18:56
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Pinterest Mom posted:If you can have the presidency and one house of congress, or one house of congress and be dominant at the state level, you choose the second one every single time. i'm not really sure any of these are mutually exclusive, though gop state-level power is built on the 2010 wave allowing heavily gerrymandered districts combined with outsized rural representation in statehouses
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May 1, 2015 19:15
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Bob Ojeda posted:Even if we accept your arguments that the 19th century Democratic Party is hugely relevant to the 2016 election - there's only been, like, what, four two-term Democratic Presidents? I make it Jackson, Wilson, FDR, and Clinton. So the Democrats actually won the presidency after a two-term candidate in fully 50% of the elections where that was possible. Literally your argument boils down to 2000 and Warren Harding. And I don't like Warren Harding much either, but that seems like a little too strong of a conclusion to draw from him winning. Using the Republicans in the 19th century would make more sense, considering the similarities in political ideological intensity between now and then, and even regarding their politics. And the Republicans, also due to the incredible rise of political clashes and identity, had a unbroken streak of presidencies for more than 20 years.
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May 1, 2015 19:20
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Concerned Citizen posted:i'm not really sure any of these are mutually exclusive, though Rural representation is not any more outsized in state legislatures than it is in the House.
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May 1, 2015 19:25
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There's a special place in hell for people who make charts where every line is just a different shade of the same color and this person's earned it. Sir Tonk posted:How the gently caress can someone be excited about both Bernie and Ron Paul at the same time? Massive amounts of brain damage. It's not much different from the idiot Paulbots and Kucinich true believers who would spout off about how the two of them should run together because they get along well and would make a great team. nachos posted:So which states are going to flip red in this scenario? Ohio, Florida, and maybe a few other states depending on how effectively they can purge legitimate Democrat voters using Crosscheck. Bob Ojeda posted:It's probably meaningful to something, but not really to the presidential primary, I don't think. Dude didn't have a chance anyway. Yeah the guy who was being touted about heavily as a GOP favorite before bridgegate never had a chance.
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May 1, 2015 19:37
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Evil Fluffy posted:Ohio, Florida, and maybe a few other states depending on how effectively they can purge legitimate Democrat voters using Crosscheck. Ah right, the thing that won't actually happen.
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May 1, 2015 19:53
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Series DD Funding posted:Rural representation is not any more outsized in state legislatures than it is in the House. rural representation is outsized in the house as well, but you can't say where it's more outsized without looking at the specific configuration of voters in that state
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May 1, 2015 19:56
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John Dough posted:If Hillary takes the presidency, the Republicans don't really have a choice other than move to the center, do they? It's either that or be marginalized forever. She's about as right wing as GWB so I don't see anything happening under a Hillary presidency but a slow consistent drift rightward.
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May 1, 2015 20:00
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Series DD Funding posted:Rural representation is not any more outsized in state legislatures than it is in the House. Yeah people need to start figuring out that Republican voters don't stop just because the population density goes over 1000 per square mile. Concerned Citizen posted:rural representation is outsized in the house as well, but you can't say where it's more outsized without looking at the specific configuration of voters in that state No, it really isn't, you're just forgetting that suburbs and even many parts of cities are also Republican as gently caress.
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May 1, 2015 20:02
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Concerned Citizen posted:rural representation is outsized in the house as well, but you can't say where it's more outsized without looking at the specific configuration of voters in that state Only to the extent that tiny overrepresented states are rural (not very much). Under the vegetable posted:She's about as right wing as GWB so I don't see anything happening under a Hillary presidency but a slow consistent drift rightward. Lol if you actually believe this.
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May 1, 2015 20:02
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hosed up how Clinton supports the SS lockbox, privatized Medicare D, and the partial-birth abortion ban, and opposes gay marriage, just like her hero GWB. I don't understand how any Dem could vote for her.
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May 1, 2015 20:04
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I think Hillary is fine, but this place should get over the fact very quickly that Bernie is going to be the star until he drops out.
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May 1, 2015 20:08
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hosed up how Hillary has a neoconservative foreign policy more enthusiastic about war than rand paul or jeb bush, is inextricably tied to wall street and raises most of her money from the same wealthy donors who support Republicans, has no interest in regulating banking or commerce, and claims the bible is the biggest influence on her thinking. She supports the bare minimum of social policies necessary to still be considered a democrat though, so I must be crazy.
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May 1, 2015 20:14
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I am being a goof though. She's relatively okay, she's just not the best candidate available.
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May 1, 2015 20:20
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Under the vegetable posted:I am being a goof though. She's relatively okay, she's just not the best candidate available. Hey, man, she's the greater of the lesser of two evils and we should be so lucky to declare her the winner of the 2016 general election right now!
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May 1, 2015 20:38
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Excuse me didn't you see her announcement video? Shameful socialists.
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May 1, 2015 20:40
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Series DD Funding posted:Ah right, the thing that won't actually happen. Right, because in 2014 there definitely weren't some bullshit voter purges in places like Georgia. http://projects.aljazeera.com/2014/double-voters/challenging-crosscheck.html You're right though, the GOP won't engage in voter suppression because in your alternate reality it's not something they've engaged in for years.
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May 1, 2015 20:43
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Under the vegetable posted:hosed up how Hillary has a neoconservative foreign policy more enthusiastic about war than rand paul or jeb bush, is inextricably tied to wall street and raises most of her money from the same wealthy donors who support Republicans, has no interest in regulating banking or commerce, and claims the bible is the biggest influence on her thinking. Supports the Iran deal. Proposed mandatory parental leave and minimum wage increase. Supports Dodd Frank and CFPB. Yes there really is no light between the candidates.
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May 1, 2015 20:44
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Series DD Funding posted:Ah right, the thing that won't actually happen. It literally happened, why the gently caress do you think they wouldn't?
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May 1, 2015 20:44
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Concern over Hillary's left wing purity has got to be the whitest malest thing ever, goddamn.
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May 1, 2015 20:45
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:Concern over Hillary's left wing purity has got to be the whitest malest thing ever, goddamn. Please do not start poo poo flinging. All we have is her history and a few statements from everybody in the race so far. Just accept Hillary isn't going to be adored.
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May 1, 2015 20:47
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Voting for Hillary based solely on her genitals instead of politics is the whitest most class privileged thing ever.
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May 1, 2015 20:56
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Nonsense posted:Please do not start poo poo flinging. All we have is her history and a few statements from everybody in the race so far. Just accept Hillary isn't going to be adored. Oh, sure, I'm going to take people seriously when they say she's virtually identical to GWB, as if there aren't a whole lot of people for whom those allegedly insignificant differences will have a huge impact. Under the vegetable posted:Voting for Hillary based solely on her genitals instead of politics is the whitest most class privileged thing ever. Thanks for describing something nobody is going to be doing. Vienna Circlejerk fucked around with this message at 21:01 on May 1, 2015 |
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May 1, 2015 20:57
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The Vermont Teddy Bear Company wasted no time, naturally.
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May 1, 2015 21:03
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:Oh, sure, I'm going to take people seriously when they say she's virtually identical to GWB This was just me and I'm a known idiot. Also if you don't think Hillary is getting supporters based entirely on "first woman president!!" You're delusional. A not insignificant amount of support for Barack, even among the extremely left circles I hang out in, was solely because he would be the first black president. Identity and appearance are super important for a lot of people. When it was just white guys running it was mostly about height and hair quality.
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May 1, 2015 21:05
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Joementum posted:That's also a ludicrous position, unsupported by evidence. On the other hand... quote:In the survey, 61 percent said "honest" describes her only slightly well or not at all.
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May 1, 2015 21:07
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Joementum posted:The Vermont Teddy Bear Company wasted no time, naturally. Seems like an anti-growth hit-piece by the WSJ
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May 1, 2015 21:07
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ufarn posted:It's a beautiful day in New Jersey, everyone. Hell yeah! Oh wait, I live in San Diego, it is always a beautiful day. 
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Joementum posted:The Vermont Teddy Bear Company wasted no time, naturally. A very not socialist-price of $79.99!
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