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PostNouveau posted:Well the speed of the charges made me think they must have some slam dunk evidence. I hadn't considered that one of the officers may have cut a deal to testify. I think that the prosecution mentioned having some evidence that wasn't publicly revealed, which means that they're holding onto it to make sure that nobody creates a cover for it or tries to otherwise gently caress with its introduction. I don't really see one of the officers cutting a deal, because I've never heard of this occurring and the very fact that the "sworn brotherhood" culture causes so much of the rampant power abuse in the first place.
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Fellatio del Toro posted:It's true though not a single youtube video, tweet, or tumblr was posted on Sep 11 2001. Makes you think. Heh youtube 05, twitter 06, tumblr 07. You would need a time machine. But I'm sure you know that.
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SalTheBard posted:Reading Marilyn Mosbys account of what happened to Freddie Gray made my stomach turn. If this turns out to be what happened (and all signs point to that being the case) I hope all of them get the maximum penalty. e: nm Job Truniht fucked around with this message at 00:38 on May 2, 2015 |
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May 2, 2015 00:30
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Zwabu posted:If the store video showed the van swerving violently and suddenly braking repeatedly with no other vehicles or any reason for it then that would more or less prove the "rough ride" scenario also. I hope we can see some of this video eventually. PostNouveau posted:Well the speed of the charges made me think they must have some slam dunk evidence. I hadn't considered that one of the officers may have cut a deal to testify. Would be an interesting explanation why they said only five of the six were in custody. Is it possible the sixth could have cut a deal and given a little more latitude to set some affairs in order before turning himself in? I mean, probably not but its fun to wonder. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 00:42 on May 2, 2015 |
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May 2, 2015 00:38
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FRINGE posted:I disagree.
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May 2, 2015 00:57
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Sidenote: this is not regarding the Police, Criminal Justice, or the riots. But seeing how this seems to at times be a minority issues catch all and we don't have one I'm gonna cover it here. They're doing a horrific film festival in my area supported by Walmart and Coca Cola supposedly with the goal of encouraging minority participation in media. It is singlehandedly one of the funniest, stupidest, and most obvious of smokescreens set up by the powers that be to ensure that that does not happen I have seen in my life. May the people involved be forever branded as race and gender traitors.
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May 2, 2015 01:02
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Dead Reckoning posted:Now I'm not some big city lawyer, but I think it would be best to also charge them with high treason against the constitution and unlawful surveillance, that way we can get the NSA disbanded too. quote:Conspiracy has been defined in the United States as an agreement of two or more people to commit a crime, or to accomplish a legal end through illegal actions. ... Conspiracy law usually does not require proof of specific intent by the defendants to injure any specific person to establish an illegal agreement. Instead, usually the law requires only that the conspirators have agreed to engage in a certain illegal act. This is sometimes described as a "general intent" to violate the law. quote:The spoliation of evidence is the intentional, reckless, or negligent withholding, hiding, altering, or destroying of evidence relevant to a legal proceeding. quote:The crime of obstruction of justice, in United States jurisdictions, refers to the crime of obstructing the work of police, investigators, regulatory agencies, prosecutors, or other (usually government) officials. Common law jurisdictions other than the United States tend to use the wider offense of perverting the course of justice. Every time it could be shown that the Blue Brotherhood banded together to enable one of their fellows to commit a murder, go free, and commit more crimes they could potentially be charged. If the same interpretations of "terrorism" were applied to criminal gangs of cops as are applied to environmental activists, there would be a large number across the nation being charged with "terrorism".
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May 2, 2015 01:05
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STAC Goat posted:if they can somehow prove they knew Gray was hurt mid ride maybe that heightens it? I think the medical examiner finding that has been reported, that Gray had a wound on his head that matched exactly a bolt inside the van, is central to this. A high energy car accident type blow to the head could easily have caused the cervical spine injury that killed him.
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May 2, 2015 01:16
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So the bail has been set for the cops a short while ago. http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/Press-conference-by-States-Attorney-Regarding-Freddie-Gray-302151401.html quote:Bail for Caesar Goodson, Alicia White, William Porter and Brian Rice was set at $350,000 each. Edward Nero and Garrett Miller each have a bail of $250,000. The bail for a rioter who broke a car window with a traffic cone, was $500,000. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121702/baltimore-rioter-gets-bail-above-freddie-grays-alleged-cop-murderer quote:An 18-year-old man who attacked a Balitmore police car with an orange traffic cone faces a higher bail than the cop who allegedly murdered Freddie Gray. loving lol.
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May 2, 2015 01:18
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chitoryu12 posted:I think that the prosecution mentioned having some evidence that wasn't publicly revealed, which means that they're holding onto it to make sure that nobody creates a cover for it or tries to otherwise gently caress with its introduction. I don't really see one of the officers cutting a deal, because I've never heard of this occurring and the very fact that the "sworn brotherhood" culture causes so much of the rampant power abuse in the first place. The culture of silence is strong, but it doesn't ever have to stand up to murder charges like this.
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happyhippy posted:So the bail has been set for the cops a short while ago. Yeah, having two just things happen at once IS a pretty tall order, coming from the way things are now. edit: what is bail even based on? The severity of the accused crime? The risk of running away? The finances of the suspect? The judge's whims at that time? For any of those things other than the last one, I'd think the police should have gotten higher. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 01:36 on May 2, 2015 |
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May 2, 2015 01:22
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Samurai Sanders posted:I'm sure their response is "we're already charging them with a crime, so why do people have to complain about every little other thing?" It's the judge's whims actually. Someone earlier in this thread (or another) posted an article talking about how the judge has been arbitrarily been doubling all of the bails.
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May 2, 2015 01:49
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The problem here is the bail in the other case, not the bail in the case of the officers. It does seem like a fair amount, considering there's no chance in hell they're running anywhere but protective custody with their faces plastered all over the news. I looked for Mosby's account of what happened online, and the nyt has a good timeline: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/30/us/what-happened-freddie-gray-arrested-by-baltimore-police-department-map-timeline.html quote:Stop No. 4 Jesus Christ that whole thing. They checked on him a total of three loving times after throwing him into the back of the van shackled with no seatbelt. The second time he stated he couldn't breathe, the third time (when they picked up the second prisoner), he was unconscious/unresponsive on the floor.
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May 2, 2015 01:54
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Ralepozozaxe posted:It's the judge's whims actually. Someone earlier in this thread (or another) posted an article talking about how the judge has been arbitrarily been doubling all of the bails.
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May 2, 2015 01:59
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FRINGE posted:Every time it could be shown that the Blue Brotherhood banded together to enable one of their fellows to commit a murder, go free, and commit more crimes they could potentially be charged.  California Welfare and Institutions Code, Section 5150 posted:(a) When a person, as a result of a mental health disorder, is a danger to others, or to himself or herself, or gravely disabled, a peace officer, professional person in charge of a facility designated by the county for evaluation and treatment, member of the attending staff, as defined by regulation, of a facility designated by the county for evaluation and treatment, designated members of a mobile crisis team, or professional person designated by the county may, upon probable cause, take, or cause to be taken, the person into custody for a period of up to 72 hours for assessment, evaluation, and crisis intervention, or placement for evaluation and treatment in a facility designated by the county for evaluation and treatment and approved by the State Department of Health Care Services. 4 U.S. Code § 1 posted:The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be forty-eight stars, white in a blue field.
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May 2, 2015 02:01
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Megan Kelly is currently interviewing an anonymous Baltimore officer giving the cops "side of the story." He/she is wearing a hood, is a dark silhouette, and had a Darth Vader voice. If Fox News was trying to make this seem insidious and evil to discredit it I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The "cops side" seems to be "eh, we always ignore people asking for help or saying they're hurt so no big deal" and "Freddie did it to himself." Eye opening. "It's protocol to put on a seatbelt but sometimes the prisoner spits and makes things uncomfortable so we don't." Literally, the defense is "my job is hard and inconvenient so some times I half rear end it." They're children. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 02:12 on May 2, 2015 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:OK, good luck with that. Are you really just going to drop in and cherry pick the more absurd and hyperbolic posts rather than talk about the issue at all? I know you're better than that. But I suppose this is but a taste of 'look at what d&d is talking about charging cops with terrorism lol', you know the fun game where we take a few outlier posts and then use them to generalize each of the dozens of people posting? Let's not.
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May 2, 2015 02:17
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Dead Reckoning posted:OK, good luck with that. What the gently caress does any of that have to do with the topic at hand? No, seriously. Explain yourself, or your argument will be ignored.
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May 2, 2015 02:29
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Gray's spine was severed by the State Department of Health Care Services according to him, or something inane.
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Pollyanna posted:What the gently caress does any of that have to do with the topic at hand? No, seriously. Explain yourself, or your argument will be ignored. It just seems like trolling that's fallen to the next lower level of effort, just posting random crap to get people to go "whaaaa?"
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May 2, 2015 02:40
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is deep throat Kelly interview is kind of amazing. I should be outraged at how insidious and evil it is but I can't stop laughing at how absurd it is. I wouldn't be shocked if it was a Fox News intern under the hood.
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Murderion posted:I'm thinking back to the police officer's bill of rights that was posted a while back, and what strikes me is that it's a very good set of rules for dealing with disciplinary procedures against an employee. If I was, say, to be accused by a member of the public of insulting them, or accused of misusing office equipment, then it would be good to have a union official present for the disciplinary proceedings. I would also expect that my name not be revealed if I was cleared of wrongdoing. Just want to quote this to say I really like this summation of the problems a lot of people have with the police and their unions specifically.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Hm...so given how that works, it's too much to ask for judge A to consider judge B's bail amounts before deciding theirs, including on closely related cases like this? Presumably, yes, but the issue is that the rioters' bail amounts should be lowered, not that the officers' bail should be raised. STAC Goat posted:Megan Kelly is currently interviewing an anonymous Baltimore officer giving the cops "side of the story." He/she is wearing a hood, is a dark silhouette, and had a Darth Vader voice. If Fox News was trying to make this seem insidious and evil to discredit it I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The defense is that they should be held to lower standards of the law because ???
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Pollyanna posted:What the gently caress does any of that have to do with the topic at hand? No, seriously. Explain yourself, or your argument will be ignored. hobotrashcanfires posted:Are you really just going to drop in and cherry pick the more absurd and hyperbolic posts rather than talk about the issue at all? I know you're better than that. But I suppose this is but a taste of 'look at what d&d is talking about charging cops with terrorism lol', you know the fun game where we take a few outlier posts and then use them to generalize each of the dozens of people posting? Also: evilweasel posted:perhaps i wasn't clear before, everyone shut the gently caress up about what you think of the posting in this thread, the only thing worse than bad posting is bad posting about bad posts
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Murderion posted:
Because they're heroes with good hearts and Freddie was a hysterical drug dealing snitch who totally broke his own neck.
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Murderion posted:Presumably, yes, but the issue is that the rioters' bail amounts should be lowered, not that the officers' bail should be raised. edit: similarly, in a perfect world that is very different than this one, we wouldn't be talking about punishing the poo poo out of the police, but rather less harshly punishing nonviolent minority offenders instead, since harsh punishment has a questionable effect on preventing crime in the first place. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 03:22 on May 2, 2015 |
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May 2, 2015 02:57
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Murderion posted:Jesus Christ that whole thing. They checked on him a total of three loving times after throwing him into the back of the van shackled with no seatbelt. The second time he stated he couldn't breathe, the third time (when they picked up the second prisoner), he was unconscious/unresponsive on the floor. Makes you wonder why they were even checking on him at all. Unless they were checking to see that he was injured enough.
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It was great how early this afternoon Fox had a guest who was formerly in the Baltimore PD for an indeterminate amount of time and his best defense of the officers was a really solid case for Depraved Indifference Murder. Officers get calloused and completely disregard the welfare of others
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STAC Goat posted:is deep throat Kelly interview is kind of amazing. I should be outraged at how insidious and evil it is but I can't stop laughing at how absurd it is. I wouldn't be shocked if it was a Fox News intern under the hood. Her twitter tonight looks to be bits of that interview. I've seen people on my feed (Billmon and Weigel specifically) responding to her; rather amusing. https://twitter.com/megynkelly There's no way I'm wading into the greater conversation, though. edit: also, on CNN at the moment, an actual reporter is challenging the cops on their "move along, citizen" bullshit, while Don Lemon sits in the studio and tells him to please not question authority. ("You were getting a little feisty there! It's not worth it!") Von Sloneker fucked around with this message at 03:26 on May 2, 2015 |
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Von Sloneker posted:Her twitter tonight looks to be bits of that interview. I've seen people on my feed (Billmon and Weigel specifically) responding to her; rather amusing. Wow, it's amazing how many outright falsehoods are in just the quotes in that feed.
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Cichlid the Loach posted:My favorite one was from a report, I don't remember which incident it was, that said the suspect struggled or whatever, "at which point an officer-involved shooting occurred." Verbatim. drat these free-floating officer-involved shootings, spontaneously coalescing on top of these fine upstanding officers! This was another good one: quote:According to officials, the officer was holding a flashlight in his right hand and a Glock 9-mm. in the other when he opened the door to the eighth-floor landing.
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Elder Postsman posted:This was another good one: Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 03:32 on May 2, 2015 |
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In case anyone isn't watching, as I edited into my prev post, police are arresting the people who tried to have a post-curfew sit-in, and while doing so are shoving the media away. I don't know of any streams to watch. It gets hectic then calms down, over and over.
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Zeitgueist posted:I know people are making fun of the union quotes, but unions are legally required to defend their members up to the point they are proven guilty, in the same way that lawyers are. You're not going to get the union condemning their own members if they're at all a functional union. Maybe we need to rethink this union thing.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Wow, it's amazing how many outright falsehoods are in just the quotes in that feed. Hanitty has a second masked mystery man who claims that a) Freddie was making a drug sale and that's why he was arrested, b) Freddie tested positive for heroin, and c) his death probably came from swallowing the drugs. So either Sean Hannity just broke wide open a massive conspiracy where the State Attorney lied and pressed false charges against these cops or Fox News has lost its goddamn mind.
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Don Lemon sucks. Cnn has a girl in tears saying a cop dragged her friend off "somewhere where the cameras won't see" and Lemon and his crew are all "I don't sympathize, there's a curfew so you're a criminal."
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BREAD AS PILLOWS LOL I hate Don Lemon. I'd say I expect him to end up at Fox but it appears most of CNN has turned into Fox. I'm sitting here watching citizens explain civil disobedience to the media.
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STAC Goat posted:Hanitty has a second masked mystery man who claims that a) Freddie was making a drug sale and that's why he was arrested, b) Freddie tested positive for heroin, and c) his death probably came from swallowing the drugs. It doesn't matter if it's true or even plausible. Fox just needs to get some other stories out there so people who are primed to believe all blacks are violent and cops can do no wrong can hear a few other narratives and let their prejudices take over from there. ... Like that guy earlier in this thread claiming Grey had a pre-broken spine.
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STAC Goat posted:Hanitty has a second masked mystery man who claims that a) Freddie was making a drug sale and that's why he was arrested, b) Freddie tested positive for heroin, and c) his death probably came from swallowing the drugs. That's some wide-ranging conspiracy! They even got to the victims and kept them from mentioning the drug sale in their own report!
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