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Preoptopus posted:All I see is soon to be mechanical failures. What's wrong with those clips? They can be a pain to get back into place sometimes but GM/Ford/probably a bunch of other manufacturers have been using them for 20+ years. I've sold replacements but no more often than I've sold replacement hoses or gaskets - haven't had one leak in my stable yet.
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8ender posted:Those are going to rust to bits in Canada. They look like the terrible ones Subaru used that turned to dust within 5 years. Those sure are some nice road grime, snow, slush, and salt collecting trays they've added. At least they made the trays from plastic so they'll be guaranteed to function until the control arms are properly reduced to dust instead of falling off and giving the arms a chance of surviving.
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Slack3r posted:Mechanical Failure Delivery System! The real failure here is photobucket. Jesus what a poo poo site.
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Slack3r posted:Mechanical Failure Delivery System! Of course it would be from my loving town, people here are so goddamn stupid.
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FuzzKill posted:What's wrong with those clips? They can be a pain to get back into place sometimes but GM/Ford/probably a bunch of other manufacturers have been using them for 20+ years. I've sold replacements but no more often than I've sold replacement hoses or gaskets - haven't had one leak in my stable yet. I know its like a simple hose and a clamp is a retarded and cheaper idea. No but for real, if i was wrenching only on my own poo poo i wouldn't complain, but Ive had more than my share blow out on me cause they didnt seed all the way. Or the opposite get corroded so bad in there that they only come out with a piece of the radiator or something. Either way your bathing in ATF. You can do a trans flush on a toyota without even taking it off the ground and its way less mess. Preoptopus fucked around with this message at 00:41 on May 2, 2015 |
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May 2, 2015 00:35
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Preoptopus posted:Car And Driver did a piece on the 2016 CTSV I am having a bastard of a time seeing where the jesus clips/circlips are in these photos. Mind pointing them out? E: never mind, guess it's on that oil fitting. Data Graham fucked around with this message at 00:48 on May 2, 2015 |
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May 2, 2015 00:45
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Look all Im saying is for a car thats supposed to compete with a M5 and a S60(whatever)amg, they couldve spent a little more effort is all I'm saying.
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May 2, 2015 00:53
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Preoptopus posted:Look all Im saying is for a car thats supposed to compete with a M5 and a S60(whatever)amg, they couldve spent a little more effort is all I'm saying. Yeah but those cars aren't expected to survive past the lease period either. It's only a problem for cheapmos like me who will crash their $1750 22 year old Cadillac into a robot sex clinic. It's GM. Statistically you're lucky if they're not trying to sell you a rebadged Cavalierabaltuze.
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Steel isn't necessarily worse than aluminum for a given strength/weight, and the CTS is the lightest car in its class. Given all the other use of aluminum in the car I doubt that they haven't optimized these things down the last gram. You guys are really just looking for something to be upset about just because it's GM.
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May 2, 2015 04:52
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May 2, 2015 05:18
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That's the beauty of it, it doesn't do anything!
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May 2, 2015 05:26
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Throatwarbler posted:Steel isn't necessarily worse than aluminum for a given strength/weight, and the CTS is the lightest car in its class. Given all the other use of aluminum in the car I doubt that they haven't optimized these things down the last gram. You guys are really just looking for something to be upset about just because it's GM. "No, sir I don't think you understand just how much we're optomizing oil leak technology and planned obsolescence"
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Slavvy posted:I work on Korean cars; they're insultingly better than VAG mechanically. I did the oil and filter on my hyundai tiburon recently. Up on the lift, spin off filter with hand, spin new filter on with calibrated elbow click, down on the lift, add oil. run, stop, check level after rundown. 15 minutes. Nearly everything is fantasticly spaced out and easy to get to, and pretty well its all either 10, 12 or 14mm. 17mm for the oil drain in the sump. The hardest thing to access is the alternator though, but that seems to be more of a curse of FWD then anything else. Hell even the starter motor is literally in front of your face when you peer under the front of the car. The only thing that bugs me is that to do the rear plugs (v6) you have to take the inlet manifold off. But its a steel gasket, so you dont have to worry about tearing anything.
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DICKPOCALYPSE NOW posted:That's the beauty of it, it doesn't do anything! An object that has no purpose other than to be itself, is considered art. Its art man.
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CommieGIR posted:"No, sir I don't think you understand just how much we're optomizing oil leak technology and planned obsolescence" Wasn't it Saturn that pioneered the sintered aluminum blocks that leak through the block walls technology?
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May 2, 2015 16:17
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DICKPOCALYPSE NOW posted:Wasn't it Saturn that pioneered the sintered aluminum blocks that leak through the block walls technology? Yea but they were just trying to be more like opal or something.
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DICKPOCALYPSE NOW posted:Wasn't it Saturn that pioneered the sintered aluminum blocks that leak through the block walls technology? No, Buick beat everyone to the punch in the early '60s with the 215 on weeping block technology.
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May 3, 2015 01:29
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IPCRESS posted:No, Buick beat everyone to the punch in the early '60s with the 215 on weeping block technology. Which they were smart enough to stop making and sell off to Rover. Who continued to make it until 2004.
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8ender posted:I thought Porsche perfected porous block technology Not when they were magnesium  Man, I just thought about how hard it must be to melt magnesium without some serious brown trouser moments.
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DICKPOCALYPSE NOW posted:Not when they were magnesium Pretty easy, you just do it under an inert or reducing atmosphere. Nitrogen (if magnesium doesn't like forming nitrides at melt temp), overfueled furnace, helium, argon, etc. Argon would be a good candidate since it is a noble gas but fairly cheap as it makes up 1% of the atmosphere. Casting it on the other hand...
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1500quidporsche posted:My scirocco's control arms are more solid looking then those ones, and Mk1 control arms are practically wear items. GM knows more than you guys give them credit. Look at these torque rods, flimsy looking right?  They are being developed for class 8 trucks. The section modulus perpendicular to the loads is what counts. With torque rods, the loads are always along the length of the rod. They are intentionally making the rods weak in torsion. This reduces the torsional loads on the bushings, which increases their life, and allows for different total torsional rates. http://www.truckinginfo.com/channel/products/product/detail/2014/09/new-torsion-rod-design-is-30-percent-lighter.aspx Throatwarbler posted:Steel isn't necessarily worse than aluminum for a given strength/weight, and the CTS is the lightest car in its class. Given all the other use of aluminum in the car I doubt that they haven't optimized these things down the last gram. You guys are really just looking for something to be upset about just because it's GM. Agreed. Giblet Plus! fucked around with this message at 05:49 on May 3, 2015 |
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May 3, 2015 05:47
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I love it that they are totally owning up to enhancing engine noise electronically in the cabin now.
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Giblet Plus! posted:GM knows more than you guys give them credit. Look at these torque rods, flimsy looking right? That's fine, in fact it is great. I just expect to watch northern winter roads eat those alive. For example that plastic debris shield is awesome and will protect the arm from sandblasting and gravel impingement, but it is on the bottom so it will also serve as an excellent brine slush tray once the tiny drainage holes and open ends are plugged with dirt and frozen slush. At that point, it is only a matter of time till the salt finds the one tiny scratch in the paint from a careless dealer transport driver tiedown and starts eating its way into the metal under the coating. Even if no tow truck driver or transport ever scratches it... a single piece of gravel getting stuck between the shield and the arm will result in a paint breach in a few months after vibration does its work. A few years later it will look like someone shot an artillery round through the arm and then dipped the ends in acid. Some poor bastard will end up in this thread when their wheel goes walkabout abruptly because the inspection tech missed the failure since it was hidden by the plastic shield while it was on the rack. You gotta make everything drain down easier than it fills up to survive the north.
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Motronic posted:Which they were smart enough to stop making and sell off to Rover. Who continued to make it until 2004. God, I hate the fact that, as the only common V8 over here, those things have such a big following. Especially as people will ask me if I'm going to put one in the Landie. A V8? Yes, that would be cool. A Rover V8? Not a loving chance. I'd have one in a Stage 1 for originality, but that's it.
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kastein posted:That's fine, in fact it is great. I really don't think this is a huge concern to the buyers of new $85k cars.
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Throatwarbler posted:I really don't think this is a huge concern to the buyers of new $85k cars. Yea but then they sell it in 8 years at less than half its value to a kid named Skyler who finances the poo poo out of it. And Skyler really wants to impress his buddies by doing donughts in every snowstorm and then he realizes it pulls on the high way and brings it in for an alignment, where I tell him that his rear end is made of rust and will most likely need to be completely rebuilt.
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Preoptopus posted:Yea but then they sell it in 8 years at less than half its value to a kid named Skyler who finances the poo poo out of it. And Skyler really wants to impress his buddies by doing donughts in every snowstorm and then he realizes it pulls on the high way and brings it in for an alignment, where I tell him that his rear end is made of rust and will most likely need to be completely rebuilt.
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May 3, 2015 15:45
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Preoptopus posted:Yea but then they sell it in 8 years at less than half its value to a kid named Skyler who finances the poo poo out of it. And Skyler really wants to impress his buddies by doing donughts in every snowstorm and then he realizes it pulls on the high way and brings it in for an alignment, where I tell him that his rear end is made of rust and will most likely need to be completely rebuilt. Yeah, but so what? Same story goes for bmw front control arms and people replace them as required.
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May 3, 2015 16:08
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kastein posted:That's fine, in fact it is great. Preoptopus posted:Yea but then they sell it in 8 years at less than half its value to a kid named Skyler who finances the poo poo out of it. And Skyler really wants to impress his buddies by doing donughts in every snowstorm and then he realizes it pulls on the high way and brings it in for an alignment, where I tell him that his rear end is made of rust and will most likely need to be completely rebuilt. It's a steel stamping. I'm sure GM would be happy to sell you new ones. The parts are likely e-coated, which means there is a ~1 mil thick layer of paint applied to them.
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Most of the alloy arms on the fancy 'European' vehicles have non-serviceable ball joints anyway - so the entire arm has to be replaced when the ball joint goes bad. Which is probably approximately the same time frame for major rust to build up on a steel arm (if you live up North)
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FuzzKill posted:Most of the alloy arms on the fancy 'European' vehicles have non-serviceable ball joints anyway - so the entire arm has to be replaced when the ball joint goes bad. Which is probably approximately the same time frame for major rust to build up on a steel arm (if you live up North) Its
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Does every part on a car need to last the lifetime of the vehicle? At what point is it acceptable to expect that things will need occasional replacement? This seems like a lot of teeth gnashing over something pretty minor.
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Yeah but domestic cars something something.
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It's one more thing to go horribly wrong to save $100 a car on an "$85,000" car. You'd have to do something monumentally stupid to damage an aluminum control arm. for stamped steel all it would take is for some half baked high school dropout to put his greasy hands all over it before paint/powdercoat. Look how many companies have had huge recall campaigns for stamped steel control arms rusting out in the north, and look at GM's reputation is as far as recalls go. GM is always shat on for cheaping out in new and interesting ways, this is an example of them doing so.
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`Nemesis posted:Does every part on a car need to last the lifetime of the vehicle? At what point is it acceptable to expect that things will need occasional replacement? I'd say it's reasonable to expect a critical driveline component to last the life of the vehicle, especially when we're talking about a car that costs more than most people make in a year.
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`Nemesis posted:Does every part on a car need to last the lifetime of the vehicle? No, but these parts on a really expensive car ought to at least look as durable as the parts that have the same function on the cheapest cars (there's perfectly normal no-nonsense examples on a Versa or Yaris for example) as opposed to looking like the control arm version of a laundry basket from Five Below that your socks can escape out the bottom of.
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DICKPOCALYPSE NOW posted:Wasn't it Saturn that pioneered the sintered aluminum blocks that leak through the block walls technology? That was the much maligned rover/kia sedona V6 of hell, the one that leaked oil so bad that some engines had to be replaced before actually being rolled out onto the yard as NEW STOCK. rainwulf fucked around with this message at 10:37 on May 4, 2015 |
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