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Glenn Zimmerman posted:Why would he even want a VP position? Wouldn't cabinet position be a better option in terms a future presidential run? I wonder who the new Perfect Liberal will be after Bernie eventually dies (I wish him no ill but we are all mortal) or if it will just become "We lost the last good man, sob"
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Nessus posted:I wonder who the new Perfect Liberal will be after Bernie eventually dies (I wish him no ill but we are all mortal) or if it will just become "We lost the last good man, sob" If Sanders creates enough waves, we might have a whole bunch of perfect liberals.
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May 3, 2015 20:19
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Nessus posted:Your issue here is that Bernie is in his late sixties, isn't he? And Hillary isn't much younger. Neither is Biden. These folks are in good shape but in twenty years Obama will probably still be alive, and likely as not, none of these three will be. Early seventies, actually.
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May 3, 2015 20:30
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EugeneJ posted:I agree that the formation of a Progressive Party would be loving fantastic. Probably about as well as Hillary would, that is, he won't be able to. That doesn't make him unique, though, the republicans will not work with any democratic president.
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May 3, 2015 20:33
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Will there be Bernie Sanders - Hillary Clinton debates like in the Republican primaries?
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May 3, 2015 20:56
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meristem posted:Will there be Bernie Sanders - Hillary Clinton debates like in the Republican primaries? Hopefully!
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meristem posted:Will there be Bernie Sanders - Hillary Clinton debates like in the Republican primaries? If Sanders can maintain his current level of visibility and not be completely written off as a joke candidate, possibly. I'm not yet sure how hard Clinton proxies are going to push to try to achieve that latter bit, honestly.
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May 3, 2015 21:00
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While Bernie will not be the nominee, there are still some fun options for him. I'm going to assume that he stays in the race until at least Iowa (probably New Hampshire) at the earliest, though he could stick around much longer. The filing deadline to get on the ballot for most of the March contests precedes the Iowa caucuses, so a large number of states will have the opportunity to vote for him, including Vermont which will vote on March 1 at the latest. We can assume that he will get at least some pledged delegates. Now, if he officially ends his candidacy these delegates will become unpledged and can vote for whomever they like, as happened to the delegates Dean won in Vermont in 2004. But the lists of pledged delegates in the states are submitted by the campaigns and, predictably, these people tend to be loyal to their candidates even after they've dropped out. For example: the hundred or so delegates to the 2012 RNC who voted for Ron Paul. So, does Bernie get to make a speech at the DNC? He's not a Democrat, so (correct me if I'm wrong here) he's never spoken at the convention before. Separately, if he stays in the race, even nominally, does he get a nominating speech at the convention? If so, who gives the nominating speech for Bernie? Traditionally, this is a supporter of the campaign who is not the candidate and who is a delegate to the convention. Another fun question: will Bernie be a delegate at the convention? He's never been before because he's not a Democrat, but he's running for President as one and his campaign has said he'll register as a Democrat if that's what it takes to get on the NH ballot, but he's going to keep calling himself an independent Senator. If he doesn't get in as a delegate through being an elected Democrat, there's one more possible way in: he could name himself as a delegate for his own campaign. Again, presumably he'll pick up at least a few of Vermont's delegates to the convention and there's nothing in the rulebook that says he can't name himself. As a delegate he gets to vote on the platform, possibly even lead the state delegation during the roll call of votes, as Hillary did for New York in 2008 when her announcement that New York's delegation was voting for Obama put him over the top in the count.
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May 3, 2015 21:00
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Has Bernie Sanders actually said more about police brutality than Hillary Clinton?
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May 3, 2015 21:03
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Joementum posted:He's not a Democrat, so (correct me if I'm wrong here) right but he specifically stated he is running as one
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May 3, 2015 21:06
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If he registers as a Democrat to be on the New Hampshire ballot, does he become a Super Delegate as a senator from Vermont?
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May 3, 2015 21:14
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Rygar201 posted:If he registers as a Democrat to be on the New Hampshire ballot, does he become a Super Delegate as a senator from Vermont? That's one of the open and interesting questions! It might have to wait for a decision at the convention from the credentialing committee.
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Yeah I'm posting this everywhere
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Maybe you aught to be timg posting it everywhere instead. edit: University of California is state owned, isn't it? I'm shocked its allowed to make political donations.
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Cliff Racer posted:Maybe you aught to be timg posting it everywhere instead. Could be people listing UC as their employer.
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May 3, 2015 21:38
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Nessus posted:I wonder who the new Perfect Liberal will be after Bernie eventually dies (I wish him no ill but we are all mortal) or if it will just become "We lost the last good man, sob" Senator Sawant (S-WA) 
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Badger of Basra posted:Could be people listing UC as their employer. Correct. Also true for the other employers listed.
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Mantis42 posted:Senator Sawant (S-WA) I love Sawant, but there's no way in hell she'd win a State wide race in Washington.
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May 3, 2015 21:45
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Badger of Basra posted:Could be people listing UC as their employer. Actually yeah, thats exactly what it is, all individual donations and no PAC donations. Should have read the chart more thoroughly.
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It might be a segregated fund PAC, but it's definitely employee contributions as corporate ones are illegal.
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May 3, 2015 22:29
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Nessus posted:I wonder who the new Perfect Liberal will be after Bernie eventually dies (I wish him no ill but we are all mortal) or if it will just become "We lost the last good man, sob" People seem to have rallied behind Warren already, although she's not quite Bernie caliber. There's also (depending on the issue) Wyden, Franken, and (Sherrod) Brown. Maybe Merkley, Baldwin and Whitehouse too, depending on your definitions. I mean, no one of these has really galvanized support in the way that Bernie has (other than Warren, but she's not going to take the torch to the presidency), and none of them have actually accepted the label of "socialist" as a badge of honor like Bernie, but together they make up a non-negligible bloc of the left who will keep up the good work (more or less) when he's gone (probably 2018, from what I've been hearing). EDIT: That said, Sen. Sawant (S-WA) is a name I see subtitled on C-SPAN in my dreams. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 22:52 on May 3, 2015 |
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Nessus posted:Your issue here is that Bernie is in his late sixties, isn't he? And Hillary isn't much younger. Neither is Biden. These folks are in good shape but in twenty years Obama will probably still be alive, and likely as not, none of these three will be. Since the perfect Liberal is singularly defined by never doing anything, we'll never run out.
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Fulchrum posted:Since the perfect Liberal is singularly defined by never doing anything, we'll never run out.
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why on earth do you think a fringe candidate would "dodge" any available press?
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mooyashi posted:why on earth do you think a fringe candidate would "dodge" any available press? He's been refusing to answer questions about Hillary this year. He's gotten a little better about pivoting some of them back to talking about his positions, but not much yet.
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Nessus posted:Well that's the thing here, I'm pretty sure Bernie - assuming he does not completely dodge the press - will probably get asked a question which will reveal some kind of Bad View on Things. So what do folks do then? I think the worst thing anyone has dug up about him is that he thinks Israel has a right to exist, but shouldn't bomb schools or hospitals or murder civilians.
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Joementum posted:He's been refusing to answer questions about Hillary this year. He's gotten a little better about pivoting some of them back to talking about his positions, but not much yet. point taken, but that's not about positions, it's clamoring for internecine warfare
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Nessus posted:Your issue here is that Bernie is in his late sixties, isn't he? And Hillary isn't much younger. Neither is Biden. These folks are in good shape but in twenty years Obama will probably still be alive, and likely as not, none of these three will be. Whoops that post was directed at Kasich, not Bernie Sanders. I was mostly curious why VP is considered a valuable position for people who want to run for president. Cabinet positions seem more valuable from a resume perspective.
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mooyashi posted:point taken, but that's not about positions, it's clamoring for internecine warfare Yeah, well, he's running in a primary now, so he'd better get used to it.
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Glenn Zimmerman posted:Whoops that post was directed at Kasich, not Bernie Sanders. I was mostly curious why VP is considered a valuable position for people who want to run for president. Cabinet positions seem more valuable from a resume perspective. The last person elected to the presidency after being in the Cabinet was Herbert Hoover, though RFK gets honorable mention since a hell of a lot of people think he would have beaten Nixon had he lived.
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Maybe the DNC asked Bernie to run as a foil to Hillary so that she can "organically" evolve to more leftward positions without looking like an out-and-out flip flopper.
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Isn't Sanders gay? Would that make him the first openly gay candidate for President in the post-Civil War era?site posted:Maybe the DNC asked Bernie to run as a foil to Hillary so that she can "organically" evolve to more leftward positions without looking like an out-and-out flip flopper. Lol if you think our party is that organized. Like seriously, they can't get loving mailings out on time, how do you expect them to coordinate a shift in the national rhetoric leftward?
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My Imaginary GF posted:Isn't Sanders gay? Would that make him the first openly gay candidate for President in the post-Civil War era? are you thinking of barney frank
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oddium posted:are you thinking of barney frank poo poo. I think I have been. What's the difference between the two? Also, how common is this confusion of Sanders for Frank, and will you please tell me that he's a colonel in the Vermont State Guard so that I can start quipping wise about Col. Sanders'?
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The Democratic field is a little thin this time around, but are there any other potential candidates who might try for a Quixotic progressive run or will Bernie remain the home for left-wing Democrats who want to make a point in the primary before voting Lesser Evil in the general? I'm assuming most of the more moderate candidates are more interested in biding their time and running when a giant like Hillary isn't in play. I can't imagine a more conservative/centrist Dem would be interested in running to Hillary's right and trying to press her the way Bernie will be from the left, Hillary probably already has the support of that wing of the party locked up. If it's just Hillary rolling on to victory and Bernie taking progressive potshots it'll be a bit of a dull campaign. Could someone try running just to increase their national profile in such a small field, or maybe to drum up some support and look for a post in Hillary's future administration? I'm assuming if you run a positive campaign and don't say anything you can't walk back then a good but non-threatening showing in the primary could be parlayed into something down the line. Dolash fucked around with this message at 23:46 on May 3, 2015 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:
How can you confuse their respective voices? How??
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Dolash posted:The Democratic field is a little thin this time around, but are there any other potential candidates who might try for a Quixotic progressive run or will Bernie remain the home for left-wing Democrats who want to make a point in the primary before voting Lesser Evil in the general? O'Malley is running to the left of Hillary and putting out actual position statements that she'll have to answer, like income-based loan repayment for college students.
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My Imaginary GF posted:poo poo. I think I have been. Dolash posted:The Democratic field is a little thin this time around, but are there any other potential candidates who might try for a Quixotic progressive run or will Bernie remain the home for left-wing Democrats who want to make a point in the primary before voting Lesser Evil in the general? I'm assuming most of the more moderate candidates are more interested in biding their time and running when a giant like Hillary isn't in play. I can't imagine a more conservative/centrist Dem would be interested in running to Hillary's right and trying to press her the way Bernie will be from the left, Hillary probably already has the support of that wing of the party locked up.
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There hasn't been a lot of new blood in the party since 2006. 2016 should change that and you may see some fresh faces you like, especially considering the mood among Dem voters and the direction the party seems to be heading.
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site posted:Maybe the DNC asked Bernie to run as a foil to Hillary so that she can "organically" evolve to more leftward positions without looking like an out-and-out flip flopper. no bernie sanders is running for president because he believes he can improve the country in some tangible way and thats it
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