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El Scotch posted:
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Spiffness posted:Sure doesn't look like it How the hell did they make the beltline taller. That thing must have a camera pointed out in every direction, and a screen in place of the windshield.
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May 2, 2015 19:59
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Its gotta be an illusion, the side windows can't be that small
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May 3, 2015 01:02
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Bumming Your Scene posted:Its gotta be an illusion, the side windows can't be that small And GM. Because those things go together so well.
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May 3, 2015 01:54
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We're not talking about the old GM here. No, not the new GM either. This is the new new GM.
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May 3, 2015 02:28
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Ineptus Mechanicus posted:We're not talking about the old GM here. No, not the new GM either. This is the new new GM. new new GM, same as the new GM GM. GM never changes.
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May 3, 2015 02:30
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Hey now new GM was pretty good. New new GM seems run by a new generation of the same sort of idiots as old GM though. Also they successfully drove off most of the key players of new GM in the transitional power struggle
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I thought we were on like the 5th new at this point? This one is old old old GM but with wayfarers.
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Mr. Apollo posted:Anyone see the "birth" ad for the new Audi RS3? Supposedly we're getting the sedan version in North America. They must have used the same advertising agency as Mercedes did here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHs663AXgbM Alternate version of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTIfjxNHEPw Modern day adverts are loving weird. E: Actually, the MB ad is pretty genius. Still weird though. travisray2004 fucked around with this message at 18:07 on May 3, 2015 |
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May 3, 2015 18:03
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:By the time we have our finances sorted out to buy, the gt should be right at the top of my price range. The only options I give a poo poo about are ac, Bluetooth, and cruise control so I save some money not needing prostate massage seats or whatever the gently caress they're putting in cars these days. Yeah that's thing I don't get about this thread. When people actually get down to the nitty gritty of talking what options they want on a car they would realistically buy all this infotainment poo poo that people want in their car is going to be horribly out of date in 10 years and probably half of it not working. I say keep it simple.
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Coredump posted:Yeah that's thing I don't get about this thread. When people actually get down to the nitty gritty of talking what options they want on a car they would realistically buy all this infotainment poo poo that people want in their car is going to be horribly out of date in 10 years and probably half of it not working. I say keep it simple. Most people buy a new car by then
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Coredump posted:Yeah that's thing I don't get about this thread. When people actually get down to the nitty gritty of talking what options they want on a car they would realistically buy all this infotainment poo poo that people want in their car is going to be horribly out of date in 10 years and probably half of it not working. I say keep it simple. The lovely thing is that for a lot of brands/models, often some of the features you do care about are only available if you step up to the $4000 infotainment bullshit system. Like if I want the bluetooth and heated seats I stupidly have to spring for the lovely overpriced infotainment system. Or even worse, some options (like a manual transmission) become unavailable on higher trim levels. Like why can't I have leather seats and a manual transmission, how the gently caress are those incompatible options. Coredump posted:all this infotainment poo poo that people want in their car is going to be horribly out of date in 10 years and probably half of it not working 10 years? Most of the infotainment poo poo is already terrible and outdated sitting on the lot before it's even sold. The ideal system would just sync with my smartphone and effectively just mirror the display on the dash at a larger scale. Guinness fucked around with this message at 19:47 on May 3, 2015 |
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Mange Mite posted:Most people buy a new car by then What forum are you on right now? Guinness posted:The lovely thing is that for a lot of brands/models, often some of the features you do care about are only available if you step up to the $4000 infotainment bullshit system. Like if I want the bluetooth and heated seats I stupidly have to spring for the lovely overpriced infotainment system. Yeah this is a good point. quote:10 years? Most of the infotainment poo poo is already terrible and outdated sitting on the lot before it's even sold. The ideal system would just sync with my smartphone and effectively just mirror the display on the dash at a larger scale. This is why I don't mind the whole "tablet stuck on the dash" design language that some cars such as BMW and Mazda are doing. If only the tablet stuck on the dash did just mirror your phone. Coredump fucked around with this message at 19:58 on May 3, 2015 |
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May 3, 2015 19:56
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Guinness posted:10 years? Most of the infotainment poo poo is already terrible and outdated sitting on the lot before it's even sold. The ideal system would just sync with my smartphone and effectively just mirror the display on the dash at a larger scale. That's just starting to be a thing, cars are just starting to get the capability to use android auto and apple car play.
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Guinness posted:Or even worse, some options (like a manual transmission) become unavailable on higher trim levels. Like why can't I have leather seats and a manual transmission, how the gently caress are those incompatible options. I especially hate this when I know perfectly loving well that the combination I want is available in other markets, coming from the same loving factory (Mercedes, I'm looking your way...)
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Guinness posted:Or even worse, some options (like a manual transmission) become unavailable on higher trim levels. Like why can't I have leather seats and a manual transmission, how the gently caress are those incompatible options. Subaru and Mazda are both really bad with this. Oh, you don't want the base model? Here, have a CVT!
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Guinness posted:Or even worse, some options (like a manual transmission) become unavailable on higher trim levels. Like why can't I have leather seats and a manual transmission, how the gently caress are those incompatible options. Kia does this too. No manual on anything but the base trim for some of their cars.
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SperginMcBadposter posted:Kia does this too. No manual on anything but the base trim for some of their cars. Because the take rates on non performance manuals are incredibly low. Hell the take rates of the manual for Kia's sporty cars are also super low. My dealership had a manual Forte5 SX in our inventory for something like 280 days before one of our service advisors bought it. Why would the manufacturer make them or dealers stock them for that one random person who may or may not buy it.
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fknlo posted:Subaru and Mazda are both really bad with this. Oh, you don't want the base model? Here, have a CVT! Mazdas autos are ok in manual mode though, for an auto anyway.
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kill me now posted:Because the take rates on non performance manuals are incredibly low. Hell the take rates of the manual for Kia's sporty cars are also super low. My dealership had a manual Forte5 SX in our inventory for something like 280 days before one of our service advisors bought it. Mazda used to sell all the models with manuals, but nobody bought them. I'm pretty sure the figure was 1% for the Mazda 6 wagon, for example.
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A car I worked on dropped the manual option because the year before the take rate was way below 1% I want to say that in the sales figures I think they sold 3 manuals total nationwide but it sounds so ridiculous I can't believe it.
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I wonder who does buy those manual cars. I'd guess mostly single male in their early 30s. Younger and they aren't buying new cars. Not single and the car has to be auto.
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smackfu posted:Not single and the car has to be auto. That sounds crazy to me as most people are still capable of driving a manual in my part of the world, but I know its going to happen here eventually too.
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May 3, 2015 23:50
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As it turns out, single or not single, most people don't want a manual.
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May 3, 2015 23:55
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Coredump posted:What forum are you on right now?
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smackfu posted:I wonder who does buy those manual cars. I'd guess mostly single male in their early 30s. Younger and they aren't buying new cars. Not single and the car has to be auto. 90% of the manual drivers I know are early 20s/late teens females. Then again, strange demographic being the military.
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razorscooter posted:As it turns out, single or not single, most people don't want a manual. This. Give me a well-designed auto that knows how to get out of its own way over a manual any day. Or if it has to be manual, at least do a DCT.
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razorscooter posted:As it turns out, single or not single, most people don't want a manual. I love manuals for fun driving, but for my daily commute I'd much rather have an auto that works well. Since I'm down to a single car now, I went with the manual, but if I ever get back to having a 'weekend car' and a daily driver both, you can bet that the daily driver will be an auto. There is zero fun to be had with a manual transmission in rush hour stop and go traffic.
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KillHour posted:This. Give me a well-designed auto that knows how to get out of its own way over a manual any day. Or if it has to be manual, at least do a DCT. Dual-clutch boxes are automatics, no matter how smugly their buyers defend their purchase with "it's not an automatic, it's an automated manual."
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Cocoa Crispies posted:Dual-clutch boxes are automatics, no matter how smugly their buyers defend their purchase with "it's not an automatic, it's an automated manual." There is literally nothing about the actual shifting process that I want to be involved in other than being able to select the gear I want quickly and easily. Working the clutch myself provides absolutely nothing to the driving experience (for me) except that it gives something for my left foot to do. KillHour fucked around with this message at 02:44 on May 4, 2015 |
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Cocoa Crispies posted:Dual-clutch boxes are automatics, no matter how smugly their buyers defend their purchase with "it's not an automatic, it's an automated manual." Honestly dual clutches make me nervous re: reliability. Modern torque convertors with full lockup are good and almost as fast OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 03:13 on May 4, 2015 |
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KillHour posted:This. Give me a well-designed auto that knows how to get out of its own way over a manual any day. Or if it has to be manual, at least do a DCT. Yeah, automatic transmissions are steadily improving to where a manual would offer little to no improvement in fuel economy in real-world driving. And speaking of dual clutch transmissions, I understand the 2016 Smart car is supposed to be getting one of those (to replace the manual transmission crudely hacked into an automatic).
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I'm afraid that the next time someone says, "It doesn't have a clutch, but it has the paddles on the shifter to go up and down" I'm going to very visably roll my eyes. I hate feeling like I'm becoming some automotive smuglord, but I think I hate hearing people say that more.
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Neptr posted:I'm afraid that the next time someone says, "It doesn't have a clutch, but it has the paddles on the shifter to go up and down" I'm going to very visably roll my eyes. I hate feeling like I'm becoming some automotive smuglord, but I think I hate hearing people say that more. Third pedal manual transmissions are already squarely in the same realm as the people that listen to music on vinyl. In the same way that a digital music file is better than a record from any measurable metric, it is about the experience of doing it rather than it actually providing some sort of real world benefit. Automatics are better at performance and better at fuel economy, and with the way manufacturing works it's cheaper for a manufacturer to shove automatics in everything. I love true manual transmissions too but I know that they are worse and the options for them are going to only be in the enthusiast cars, and only for a bit longer.
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I have intentions of buying an F150 in the next couple years. I'll wait until at least 2017 to get the 10 speed over the 6 speed. It just seems like a much better transmission. Paddles are good enough for some things, but I still hate TCs until they do engine braking (or regen braking, I suppose as it feels the same) when coasting.
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KakerMix posted:Automatics are better at performance and better at fuel economy, and with the way manufacturing works it's cheaper for a manufacturer to shove automatics in everything. Not the type of automatics you're likely to find in a cheap economy car.
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dissss posted:Not the type of automatics you're likely to find in a cheap economy car. Which cheap economy cars still have bad transmissions? All of the major manufacturers are putting either CVTs, dry dual-clutch trans, or 8+ speed traditional autos in their cheapest cars now. Even the rental car special Chrysler 200 has a 9 speed now.
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it just lacks the warmth of vinyl and feels so digital
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Twerk from Home posted:Which cheap economy cars still have bad transmissions? All of the major manufacturers are putting either CVTs, dry dual-clutch trans, or 8+ speed traditional autos in their cheapest cars now. Even the rental car special Chrysler 200 has a 9 speed now. Those cheaper CVTs are terrible, as are the 7 speed dual clutch models VW uses on their cheap stuff (which are set up for test cycle economy and flat out don't work in the real world). As for conventional autos there are still a lot of 5 speeds and even some 4 speeds about (Yaris, Swift, i20, 208 etc). Then you have stuff like the Fiat single clutch thing in the Panda that feels like a manual driven by someone who has never driven a manual before.
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Twerk from Home posted:Which cheap economy cars still have bad transmissions? All of the major manufacturers are putting either CVTs, dry dual-clutch trans, or 8+ speed traditional autos in their cheapest cars now. Even the rental car special Chrysler 200 has a 9 speed now. The transmission is definitely the worst part about our Kia Soul.
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